United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in Manhattan

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But we can each speak for ourselves though, right?
I earn in 6 figures.
But I am childless because I do not think I can afford to have one.
If I did we wouldn't have retirement savings.
I am sure many feel this way in Canada today.
Particularly in cities like Toronto.
Right, ofc you can. So I was pointing to the fact that you outear many people who choose to have a lot of kids. At 6 figures in Toronto, you're feeling like you're just getting by, sure. But there are people who earn much less that who are reproducing. Which is why I said that his point is contentious.

Maybe I am naive -- I would worry more about retirement savings if I did not have kids, but I was raised culturally to expect that kids will care for me in old age lol. If I don't have them then yeah I'll be concerned about retirement savings much more. If I do, then I just worry about raising them up right, and less about being elderly and alone.
 
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He’s pretty based tbh. He’s right about everything below. Based Trad Luigi 💚 View attachment 385512
No doubt this dude is intelligent and I agree with him on a lot of his beliefs. But you cannot go around killing people you think are morally reprehensible. People who are hailing him as a cult hero are disillusioned.
 
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No doubt this dude is intelligent and I agree with him on a lot of his beliefs. But you cannot go around killing people you think are morally reprehensible. People who are hailing him as a cult hero are disillusioned.
Oh I definitely agree with that. I do not rejoice like the others. One bit. Especially after hearing he was mad he couldn't have sex lmao, like wtf is that? People can't just take it upon themselves to mete out capital punishment. That is flat out wrong, period full stop. I just like his traditionalism.

But also, when strangers die, it doesn't make me sad because I don't know them, and I'm just like emotionally neutral enough about it to make jokes, I guess. If I had to think on it principledly and objectively, I'd probably say it is stupid to accuse the UHC CEO of literally killing people. I just didn't say it here because I didn't feel like fighting about it and had other stuff to do haha
 

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Right, ofc you can. So I was pointing to the fact that you outear many people who choose to have a lot of kids. At 6 figures in Toronto, you're feeling like you're just getting by, sure. But there are people who earn much less that who are reproducing. Which is why I said that his point is contentious.

Maybe I am naive -- I would worry more about retirement savings if I did not have kids, but I was raised culturally to expect that kids will care for me in old age lol. If I don't have them then yeah I'll be concerned about retirement savings much more. If I do, then I just worry about raising them up right, and less about being elderly and alone.
It is true that poor people have more kids.
In agrarian cultures such as in much of the developing world, kids perhaps have economic utility.
Even your example of kids taking care of parents in their old age could be interpreted as such, maybe?
These families usually make do with less.
In the west they tend to be a massive cost.
Perhaps the driving force behind this is culture.
There is also human nature.
When you earn more, what you deem as basic necessity tends to go up.
With that your cost of living that ultimately discourages having kids.
 

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No doubt this dude is intelligent and I agree with him on a lot of his beliefs. But you cannot go around killing people you think are morally reprehensible. People who are hailing him as a cult hero are disillusioned.
I dont think anyone is advocating for killing.
People are just not being empathetic about someone like Brian Thompson because his decisions have impacted millions of families negatively.
Its resentment against the health insurance industry more than support for Luigi.
The rest is just noise and trolling.
 

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No doubt this dude is intelligent and I agree with him on a lot of his beliefs. But you cannot go around killing people you think are morally reprehensible. People who are hailing him as a cult hero are disillusioned.
Except the CEO went around killing people for years so he is morally reprehensible. Cripes if you agree the dude who killed the homeless dude deserved to go free then how about a man menacing the public who actually made people suffer far worse, on a mass scale, for money?

That's what insurance companies in the USA do every single time they deny coverage. And his company did it 32% of the time

The Blue Cross CEO, before backtracking out of fear, wanted to STOP PAYING for anesthesia IN THE MIDDLE OF OPERATIONS. This would have been legal.

When you have no recourse, when a govt fails to protect the public from a threat, just like with mentally ill, homeless criminals, this is what happens.
 

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I dont think anyone is advocating for killing.
People are just not being empathetic about someone like Brian Thompson because his decisions have impacted millions of families negatively.
Its resentment against the health insurance industry more than support for Luigi.
The rest is just noise and trolling.
People want change, the government is too corrupt to do it. So this is what happens when they don't listen. Desperate people do Desperate things.

His trial is going to be interesting. His family is quite wealthy, and includes state legislators in Maryland. They own a bunch of Country Clubs. Do they stick by him, or leave him to rot? Either way he is probably going to probably end up with a top defense team, an insanity defense, and a show trial.
 
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It is true that poor people have more kids.
In agrarian cultures such as in much of the developing world, kids perhaps have economic utility.
Even your example of kids taking care of parents in their old age could be interpreted as such, maybe?
These families usually make do with less.
In the west they tend to be a massive cost.
Perhaps the driving force behind this is culture.
There is also human nature.
When you earn more, what you deem as basic necessity tends to go up.
With that your cost of living that ultimately discourages having kids.
Yeh I don’t have the answers. I see the case for all this stuff. It’s too complex of a topic for me to speak on.

But culturally it seems like people just view children as a financial liability and not a form of wealth itself. I think that’s kind of wrong, personally. Not morally wrong necessarily, but probably misguided.
 
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Except the CEO went around killing people for years.
This is a pretty contentious statement that people are throwing around way too freely.
 

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This is a pretty contentious statement that people are throwing around way too freely.
No it isn't, go find any reddit thread where people are discussing the death of loved ones. Are you really going to say that the largest health insurance company, with a 32% denial rate, that illegally used an AI program as a doctor second opinion, with a 90% failure diagnosis rate, didn't have a direct hand in the premature death over years of hundreds of people, if not thousands?

Considering the near universal reaction of people, the mass telling of horror stories I'd say it's bang on at least and may well be an understatement
 
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People want change, the government is too corrupt to do it. So this is what happens when they don't listen. Desperate people do Desperate things.

His trial is going to be interesting. His family is quite wealthy, and includes state legislators in Maryland. They own a bunch of Country Clubs. Do they stick by him, or leave him to rot? Either way he is probably going to probably end up with a top defense team, an insanity defense, and a show trial.
Totally.
Sort of what happened in Russia back in the day lol.
The peasants shall rise again! lmao.
Also the key will be evidence.
Not sure how much of it is solid that proves his guilt beyond a shred of reasonable doubt.
Not sure how much the CCTV camera picture can be counted on as evidence.
The shooting only captures his back and not his face.
Lets see what else the prosecution is able to produce.
Personally I'd like this guy to go free and would like to see some tangible changes to healthcare.
 

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I dont think anyone is advocating for killing.
People are just not being empathetic about someone like Brian Thompson because his decisions have impacted millions of families negatively.
Its resentment against the health insurance industry more than support for Luigi.
The rest is just noise and trolling.
I'm empathetic because being a CEO is probably the toughest job you can have. It consumes your life. You have to balance interests of everyone. For a CEO the shit flows upward. Pretty much every high profile CEO has a shrink that they see on a regular basis. I'm empathetic because he had 2 teenage sons who have now lost their dad. And they now have to read how much of a supposed evil bastard he is because somehow he is directly responsible for denying people's insurance. Not one of the tens of thousands of employees under him. Not the company's policies. Not the fact that the company has 41% of the Medicare/Medicaid insurance market that is rife with fraud.
 

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Except the CEO went around killing people for years so he is morally reprehensible. Cripes if you agree the dude who killed the homeless dude deserved to go free then how about a man menacing the public who actually made people suffer far worse, on a mass scale, for money?

That's what insurance companies in the USA do every single time they deny coverage. And his company did it 32% of the time

The Blue Cross CEO, before backtracking out of fear, wanted to STOP PAYING for anesthesia IN THE MIDDLE OF OPERATIONS. This would have been legal.

When you have no recourse, when a govt fails to protect the public from a threat, just like with mentally ill, homeless criminals, this is what happens.
Dude are you actually reading the shit you're spewing, you sound like some dumb commie who doesn't understand business.
 
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