Ford passed the legislation for ripping up the bike lanes TODAY!!

GameBoy27

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You are trying to convince someone who thinks there is nothing outside of downtown, that cars don't exist, and everyone lives 10 minutes from anywhere they need to go.
Futile.
Well, when you put it that way, how can I argue with that? Now I'm the idiot. lol
 

Anbarandy

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I'm not automatically victimizing cyclists. I simply asked a question. Can you confirm that the motorists was charged and convicted in the death of the cyclist on Bayview? Why is that not a reasonable question to ask? If they were, then the matter is settled. The motorist was at fault.

OTOH, just because you posted a photo of the ramp, it doesn't automatically prove that the motorist was at fault. It's still speculation on your part. Were you there? Did you witness the collision? I'm guessing no, so it's also possible the cyclist didn't see the motorist and cut across the front of the vehicle to enter the bike path, which you can see in the top right of the first photo you posted.

One of two things happened. The motorist, with a clear view ahead, drove straight into the cyclist, or the motorist was in the cyclist's blind spot, when he cut in front of the vehicle to join the bike path. I've seen both motorists and cyclists do stupid things. Question is, which one was it in this case?

You don't know and I don't know. So how about stop acting like you do.
Bro, you've already shamed and blamed and victimized the victim:

- by adamantly exonerating the motor vehicle driver on the ramp because of your wildly fraudulent and fully debunked claims and exhortations of non-existent blind spots while merging onto Bayview northbound.
- by indignantly pooh-poohing and pissing on the very, very experienced cyclist's decades worth of cycling ability, knowledge and experience.

Inattentive, careless, negligent and reckless motor vehicle operators abound.
 
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Anbarandy

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You are trying to convince someone who thinks there is nothing outside of downtown, that cars don't exist, and everyone lives 10 minutes from anywhere they need to go.
Futile.
What do a few kms of bike lanes on 3 local roads have to do with Doug Ford's solving GTA wide motor vehicle caused traffic congestion and gridlock?

Nothing.

What does $2.2billion dollars of taxpayer's money have to do with a water park in the lake?

Everything.

What does $3.4billion dollar's pickpocketed from taxpayers by the Fraud have to do an unlegislated, unneeded, unwanted and unnecessary early election?

Bribing for votes.
 

Skoob

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What do a few kms of bike lanes on 3 local roads have to do with Doug Ford's solving GTA wide motor vehicle caused traffic congestion and gridlock?

Nothing.

What does $2.2billion dollars of taxpayer's money have to do with a water park in the lake?

Everything.

What does $3.4billion dollar's pickpocketed from taxpayers by the Fraud have to do an unlegislated, unneeded, unwanted and unnecessary early election?

Bribing for votes.
You sound like you need a drink. I'm sure you live within walking distance of a convenience store. You should go grab yourself a cocktail and thank Ford for the convenience.

btw Trudeau says your Christmas card and bribery cheque are in the mail...that won't get to you anytime soon...because they're on strike and holding your mail hostage. Sorry comrade.
 

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I'll be honest, I've been waiting for Not Just Bikes to make a video about this ridiculous and backwards legislation, because I knew this urban video essayist would present a far more coherent and better researched and more detailed (and more humourous) rebuttal than I ever could (or have the energy for) against this insult to all Ontarians, especially Torontonians.

Bike lanes do not make traffic worse, anyone that tells you otherwise is incorrect or lying. It's a simple as that. Removing bike lines will lead to more cars (and more cars = more congestion, in case that's not obvious), an economic hit for local businesses... oh, and more death. But even if you ignore the selfish desire to get to work 30 seconds sooner at the expense of someone's life, then even still, why on earth would anyone want MORE cars on the roads, instead of fewer?

Anyways, without further ado, please enjoy a very good analysis of the absurdity of "The World's Dumbest Bike Lane Law", by Not Just Bikes:
 

Anbarandy

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You sound like you need a drink. I'm sure you live within walking distance of a convenience store. You should go grab yourself a cocktail and thank Ford for the convenience.

btw Trudeau says your Christmas card and bribery cheque are in the mail...that won't get to you anytime soon...because they're on strike and holding your mail hostage. Sorry comrade.
You sound like all your posts do, which is bereft, broken and bankrupt.

Really Skoob, after all this time you still can't compose anything other than a drumbeat of inanities
 

Anbarandy

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I'll be honest, I've been waiting for Not Just Bikes to make a video about this ridiculous and backwards legislation, because I knew this urban video essayist would present a far more coherent and better researched and more detailed (and more humourous) rebuttal than I ever could (or have the energy for) against this insult to all Ontarians, especially Torontonians.

Bike lanes do not make traffic worse, anyone that tells you otherwise is incorrect or lying. It's a simple as that. Removing bike lines will lead to more cars (and more cars = more congestion, in case that's not obvious), an economic hit for local businesses... oh, and more death. But even if you ignore the selfish desire to get to work 30 seconds sooner at the expense of someone's life, then even still, why on earth would anyone want MORE cars on the roads, instead of fewer?

Anyways, without further ado, please enjoy a very good analysis of the absurdity of "The World's Dumbest Bike Lane Law", by Not Just Bikes:
Great post.

As if a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in downtown Toronto and its inner core have any effect at all on the multi-millions of single motor vehicle drivers who are the cause of the monumental, world's worst, GTA wide congestion and gridlock.

That's pure Fraudian craven bullshit as usual.
 

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Great post.

As if a few kms of local, neighborhood bike lanes in downtown Toronto and its inner core have any effect at all on the multi-millions of single motor vehicle drivers who are the cause of the monumental, world's worst, GTA wide congestion and gridlock.

That's pure Fraudian craven bullshit as usual.
Do you think every car that you see downtown is driven by someone who lives downtown?
Do you assume everyone who drives a car is capable of riding a bike?
Do you think the number of cars is decreasing?
Do you think that removing 25-50% of roadway will actually make traffic better for the cars you don't think exist?
 

Anbarandy

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Do you think every car that you see downtown is driven by someone who lives downtown?
Do you assume everyone who drives a car is capable of riding a bike?
Do you think the number of cars is decreasing?
Do you think that removing 25-50% of roadway will actually make traffic better for the cars you don't think exist?
Do you think every bike you see downtown is ridden by someone who lives in Timbuktu?
Do you assume that everyone who rides a bike doesn't also drive a car?
Do you think the number of bikes in Toronto are decreasing?
Do you think that removing a few kms of local neighborhood bike lanes in downtown Toronto and its inner core will make the world's worst, GTA wide, single occupant motor vehicle driver caused congestion and gridlock better for the single occupant motor vehicle drivers you don't think are the actual, but in reality are the true cause, of congestion and gridlock?

Jimmy Olsen, you ain't.
 
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Do you think every bike you see downtown is ridden by someone who lives in Timbuktu?
Do you assume that everyone who rides a bike doesn't also drive a car?
Do you think the number of bikes in Toronto are decreasing?
Do you think that removing a few kms of local neighborhood bike lanes in downtown Toronto and its inner core will make the world's worst, GTA wide, single occupant motor vehicle driver caused congestion and gridlock better for the single occupant motor vehicle drivers you don't think are the actual, but in reality are the true cause, of congestion and gridlock?

Jimmy Olsen, you ain't.
Do you think most cyclists travel 30km+ each way into downtown during the winter?

Do you want to remove all the bike lanes at the same time rather than a few to start, to prove even faster that traffic will improve?

Do you want to keep answering my questions with questions to keep proving your ignorance?
 
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chaychay

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Do you think every car that you see downtown is driven by someone who lives downtown?
I'm sure many of the cars are, and many are not. I'm sure many of those single occupants in their car have never considered another mode of transport.
Either way, every car that you see downtown is benefiting from those bikelanes.

Do you assume everyone who drives a car is capable of riding a bike?
No, but most are, but that's irrelevant. Nobody is asking everyone who drives a car not to drive a car. We are asking that people stop dying.
Do you think the number of cars is decreasing?
Yes, and data supports this. It's cited in the video posted above.
Do you think that removing 25-50% of roadway will actually make traffic better for the cars you don't think exist?
Yes, and data supports this. It's cited in the video posted above.
Do you think most cyclists travel 30km+ each way into downtown during the winter?
Irrelevant.
Do you want to remove all the bike lanes at the same time rather than a few to start, to prove even faster that traffic will improve?
No need to test the waters, there's plenty of data that demonstrates traffic improves when bike lanes are installed. It's cited in the video posted above.
Do you want to keep answering my questions with questions to keep proving your ignorance?
No. Watch the video posted above.
 
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Skoob

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I'm sure many of the cars are, and many are not. I'm sure many of those single occupants in their car have never considered another mode of transport.
Either way, every car that you see downtown is benefiting from those bikelanes.


No, but most are, but that's irrelevant. Nobody is asking everyone who drives a car not to drive a car. We are asking that people stop dying.

Yes, and data supports this. It's cited in the video posted above.

Yes, and data supports this. It's cited in the video posted above.

Irrelevant.

No need to test the waters, there's plenty of data that demonstrates traffic improves when bike lanes are installed. It's cited in the video posted above.

No. Watch the video posted above.
That youtube video is a biased source of information created by someone with no accreditations that I can find for civil design and it's comparing Toronto to Amsterdam. Have you compared the weather and population density between these cities? I'm going to assume you haven't.

Distance travelled is not irrelevant. It's a deciding factor for most people when choosing the mode of transportation they will use.

"Asking for people to stop dying"...yeah not too dramatical of a comment there. How about stop riding a bike in traffic if you don't want to increase your chances of dying? Does that work?

I'm going to stop there because it's obvious you are uninformed and are dying on the hill of biased youtube videos as your source of truth and making generalizations based on nothing else.

btw you still think the number of vehicles is decreasing? You may want to check your facts before spreading misinformation to justify your narrative.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/topics-start/automotive

https://www.ibisworld.com/ca/bed/number-of-motor-vehicle-registrations/15056/
 

Anbarandy

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Do you think most cyclists travel 30km+ each way into downtown during the winter?

Do you want to remove all the bike lanes at the same time rather than a few to start, to prove even faster that traffic will improve?

Do you want to keep answering my questions with questions to keep proving your ignorance?
Do you think most single occupant motorists' travel less than 30kms to buy a stick of gum during a mid-summer's night dreary?

Do you want to add speed bumps, planters, roundabouts, stop signs, stop lights and every other conceivable road calming measure imaginable to prove motor vehicle traffic will disappear faster, better and more happily?

Do you wanna still play Jimmy Olsen?
 

Anbarandy

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That youtube video is a biased source of information created by someone with no accreditations that I can find for civil design and it's comparing Toronto to Amsterdam. Have you compared the weather and population density between these cities? I'm going to assume you haven't.

Distance travelled is not irrelevant. It's a deciding factor for most people when choosing the mode of transportation they will use.

"Asking for people to stop dying"...yeah not too dramatical of a comment there. How about stop riding a bike in traffic if you don't want to increase your chances of dying? Does that work?

I'm going to stop there because it's obvious you are uninformed and are dying on the hill of biased youtube videos as your source of truth and making generalizations based on nothing else.

btw you still think the number of vehicles is decreasing? You may want to check your facts before spreading misinformation to justify your narrative.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/topics-start/automotive

https://www.ibisworld.com/ca/bed/number-of-motor-vehicle-registrations/15056/
How the auditor’s report perfectly sums up The Doug Ford Way of running the province
Updated Dec. 6, 2024 at 5:58 p.m.

By Edward Keenan City Columnist
Edward Keenan is a Toronto-based city columnist for the Star. Reach him via email: ekeenan@thestar.ca

There’s a phrase in provincial auditor general Shelley Spence’s report that could, by now, serve as a slogan for Doug Ford’s government: “Without proper planning.”

That was her description, in Tuesday’s annual report, of how the decision to close supervised-consumption drug sites was made.

But six years into the life of a government that has always shown an eagerness to fire before it aims, it seems more like an all-purpose description of The Doug Ford Way.

The report contains plenty of other language that might seem jolting when applied to government actions, but by now seems overly familiar. The decisions to issue minister’s zoning orders (or MZOs)were “not fair, transparent or accountable.” The assessment process for the Ontario Place redevelopment was “irregular” and “subjective,” and “rules and guidelines … were not followed.”

Another description of MZOs that may as well be a shorthand summary of this government’s standard operating procedure: “no protocol and no apparent rationale.”

Those descriptions could easily describe any number of the Ford government’s other moves: slashing the size of Toronto’s city government and reorganizing other GTA governments in the middle of an election campaign; the whole

Greenbelt hokey-pokey; trying to slash funding to Toronto Public Health a year before a global pandemic; the eventually reversed decision to change municipal boundaries; the eventually reversed decision to dissolve Peel region; the recent move to rip out bike lanes in Toronto.

The list is not exhaustive.

There are a few themes there that are at the forefront of Spence’s report. Decisions seem to be made quickly and on impulse, according to either the political whims and vendettas of the premier or the backroom desires of developers and corporate interests. Traditional accountability checks or analysis of impacts are discarded. Rinse, repeat.

Sometimes, Ford and his government reverse course when it becomes clear that what they are doing is phenomenally stupid and massively unpopular. But a willingness to admit a mistake has never caused them to pause and think before steamrolling forward into the next big blunder. If it wasn’t for hindsight, they wouldn’t have any kind of sight at all. Ford may be willing to change his mind, but he has never changed his ways.

So where does that leave us?

Well, in the case of Ontario Place, we see that some bidders had closed-door meetings with the premier’s staff and other government officials (despite this being explicitly prohibited) and that they “had direct access to an Infrastructure Ontario executive.” Rules for assessing the bids were not clear and were not followed.

And the redevelopment costs to be borne by the province have more than quadrupled to $2.237 billion.

Ford government’s Ontario Place redevelopment was ‘not fair, transparent or accountable,’ auditor general finds in scathing report

It certainly isn’t reassuring, in this context, to note that Infrastructure Ontario CEO Michael Lindsay, who took over after the conduct the auditor uncovered, but well before the Ontario Place deal was finalized, is taking over as interim head of Metrolinx to try to push the Eglinton Crosstown (and assorted other projects) across the finish line.

Nor is Spence’s finding that two of the three other Infrastructure Ontario projects she reviewed were behind schedule and over budget, including one hospital that was $4 billion over budget.

Oh, and the cost of moving the Ontario Science Centre to Ontario Place has ballooned such that it is now more expensive than the estimates for rehabbing the old building.

On supervised injection sites, the auditor notes harm reduction strategies that prevented 1,500 deaths from overdoses are being discontinued without proper planning or impact analysis. Which sounds like a roundabout way to say people are likely to die.

If there’s another thing that has defined Ford’s government it’s boastfulness — and that’s in the auditor’s report, too. The government tripled its advertising spending in one year (to $103.5 million), setting an Ontario government record. The report concludes that about 62 per cent of these dollars were essentially partisan: their primary objective was “to promote the governing party.”

If the ad bonanza continues into what is expected to be an election year next year, the report does offer some fantastic, auditor-approved tag lines. “Ontario: no protocol and no apparent rationale” has a certain ring to it. The ring of truth.
 

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I'll be honest, I've been waiting for Not Just Bikes to make a video about this ridiculous and backwards legislation, because I knew this urban video essayist would present a far more coherent and better researched and more detailed (and more humourous) rebuttal than I ever could (or have the energy for) against this insult to all Ontarians, especially Torontonians.

Bike lanes do not make traffic worse, anyone that tells you otherwise is incorrect or lying. It's a simple as that. Removing bike lines will lead to more cars (and more cars = more congestion, in case that's not obvious), an economic hit for local businesses... oh, and more death. But even if you ignore the selfish desire to get to work 30 seconds sooner at the expense of someone's life, then even still, why on earth would anyone want MORE cars on the roads, instead of fewer?

Anyways, without further ado, please enjoy a very good analysis of the absurdity of "The World's Dumbest Bike Lane Law", by Not Just Bikes:
Here's what I noticed over and over again in that video... "A LANE FOR PARKED CARS!" I've been saying this over and over... We're dedicating a full lane to parking yet they're blaming bikes. As Bugs would say... "what a maroon!"

Cancel all on-street parking. Ticket HEAVILY anyone disrupting traffic with their fucking 4-ways flashers. Designated UBER pick up spots (which is a THING in most major cities) off main arteries.

Slight disruptions in flow are caused by blocked lanes, blocked intersections, people selfishly holding up traffic to fix their own mistakes. Start enforcing the rule of law on the road. Hand out tickets. Get cops in major intersections to keep people moving. People are sheep. You keep them moving they move. One stops, they all stop. Bad habits get ignored. Everyone picks up that bad habit. We've all seen the slow decline in the "rules of the road".

Deal with the pinch points.
 
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Skoob

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Do you think most single occupant motorists' travel less than 30kms to buy a stick of gum during a mid-summer's night dreary?

Do you want to add speed bumps, planters, roundabouts, stop signs, stop lights and every other conceivable road calming measure imaginable to prove motor vehicle traffic will disappear faster, better and more happily?

Do you wanna still play Jimmy Olsen?
Do you think everyone lives a 10 minute walk from wherever they need to go?
Do you think most cyclists using bike lanes are senior citizens who hate driving and just waiting to wipeout and break a hip on a bike?
How about single occupant delivery people bringing you your daily supplies? Should they be delivering skids of 50lb bags of potatoes on their bikes?
Do you think motorists on the Gardiner, QEW, DVP and 427 are all just staying on those roads and not coming into city streets? You know...the vehicles that you think don't exist?
 

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How the auditor’s report perfectly sums up The Doug Ford Way of running the province
Updated Dec. 6, 2024 at 5:58 p.m.

By Edward Keenan City Columnist
Edward Keenan is a Toronto-based city columnist for the Star. Reach him via email: ekeenan@thestar.ca

There’s a phrase in provincial auditor general Shelley Spence’s report that could, by now, serve as a slogan for Doug Ford’s government: “Without proper planning.”

That was her description, in Tuesday’s annual report, of how the decision to close supervised-consumption drug sites was made.

But six years into the life of a government that has always shown an eagerness to fire before it aims, it seems more like an all-purpose description of The Doug Ford Way.

The report contains plenty of other language that might seem jolting when applied to government actions, but by now seems overly familiar. The decisions to issue minister’s zoning orders (or MZOs)were “not fair, transparent or accountable.” The assessment process for the Ontario Place redevelopment was “irregular” and “subjective,” and “rules and guidelines … were not followed.”

Another description of MZOs that may as well be a shorthand summary of this government’s standard operating procedure: “no protocol and no apparent rationale.”

Those descriptions could easily describe any number of the Ford government’s other moves: slashing the size of Toronto’s city government and reorganizing other GTA governments in the middle of an election campaign; the whole

Greenbelt hokey-pokey; trying to slash funding to Toronto Public Health a year before a global pandemic; the eventually reversed decision to change municipal boundaries; the eventually reversed decision to dissolve Peel region; the recent move to rip out bike lanes in Toronto.

The list is not exhaustive.

There are a few themes there that are at the forefront of Spence’s report. Decisions seem to be made quickly and on impulse, according to either the political whims and vendettas of the premier or the backroom desires of developers and corporate interests. Traditional accountability checks or analysis of impacts are discarded. Rinse, repeat.

Sometimes, Ford and his government reverse course when it becomes clear that what they are doing is phenomenally stupid and massively unpopular. But a willingness to admit a mistake has never caused them to pause and think before steamrolling forward into the next big blunder. If it wasn’t for hindsight, they wouldn’t have any kind of sight at all. Ford may be willing to change his mind, but he has never changed his ways.

So where does that leave us?

Well, in the case of Ontario Place, we see that some bidders had closed-door meetings with the premier’s staff and other government officials (despite this being explicitly prohibited) and that they “had direct access to an Infrastructure Ontario executive.” Rules for assessing the bids were not clear and were not followed.

And the redevelopment costs to be borne by the province have more than quadrupled to $2.237 billion.

Ford government’s Ontario Place redevelopment was ‘not fair, transparent or accountable,’ auditor general finds in scathing report

It certainly isn’t reassuring, in this context, to note that Infrastructure Ontario CEO Michael Lindsay, who took over after the conduct the auditor uncovered, but well before the Ontario Place deal was finalized, is taking over as interim head of Metrolinx to try to push the Eglinton Crosstown (and assorted other projects) across the finish line.

Nor is Spence’s finding that two of the three other Infrastructure Ontario projects she reviewed were behind schedule and over budget, including one hospital that was $4 billion over budget.

Oh, and the cost of moving the Ontario Science Centre to Ontario Place has ballooned such that it is now more expensive than the estimates for rehabbing the old building.

On supervised injection sites, the auditor notes harm reduction strategies that prevented 1,500 deaths from overdoses are being discontinued without proper planning or impact analysis. Which sounds like a roundabout way to say people are likely to die.

If there’s another thing that has defined Ford’s government it’s boastfulness — and that’s in the auditor’s report, too. The government tripled its advertising spending in one year (to $103.5 million), setting an Ontario government record. The report concludes that about 62 per cent of these dollars were essentially partisan: their primary objective was “to promote the governing party.”

If the ad bonanza continues into what is expected to be an election year next year, the report does offer some fantastic, auditor-approved tag lines. “Ontario: no protocol and no apparent rationale” has a certain ring to it. The ring of truth.
blah blah blah...no one cares what biased columnists have to say. They're trying to remain relevant as their paper teeters on the verge of bankruptcy.
Taxpayers are the ones that matter. And the ones that matter know DoFO and his government have been doing a great job.

Don't believe me?

How many majority governments has DoFo been elected to?

You think that happens because most voters don't agree with him?
 

Anbarandy

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Do you think everyone lives a 10 minute walk from wherever they need to go?
Do you think most cyclists using bike lanes are senior citizens who hate driving and just waiting to wipeout and break a hip on a bike?
How about single occupant delivery people bringing you your daily supplies? Should they be delivering skids of 50lb bags of potatoes on their bikes?
Do you think motorists on the Gardiner, QEW, DVP and 427 are all just staying on those roads and not coming into city streets? You know...the vehicles that you think don't exist?
Do you think Millicent from Milton, Ridley from Richmond Hill and Prickly Pete from Peterborough lives a 100 minute walk from wherever they need to go?
Do you think most drivers are fat, lazy and have atrophied muscles from doing nothing but standing still in congestion and gridlock?
How about the 85,000 single occupant rideshare drivers driving around and around like zombies waiting to earn their $5/hr? Should they be delivering 150 pound sacks of shit in their car?
Do you think motorists on the Gardiner, QEW, DVP and 427 are all just stuck in the mess of congestion and gridlock of their own making? You know .... the millions of motor vehicles and their single occupants that you don't think exist?

These are all very important questions that need thoughful response, Jimmy Olsen.
 
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