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Opinion | As the Middle East ceasefire shows, it’s a fallacy that ideas can’t be defeated

basketcase

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Hamas will not fall from the hands of Israel, it will be from the hands of Palestinians..whoever is left in Gaza that represents Hamas will get the Gaddafi treatment...
That's the only way. Sadly the PLO has spent a century promoting the idea that eliminating Israel is the most important thing.
 
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basketcase

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And how does complaining about that now after so many years helping the current situation? Stop living in the past, it's destroying the people you claim to want to help. You certainly have your priorities mixed up.
He means there would be no attack if Jews hadn't "evilly" been already living and legally immigrating under the Ottomans.
 

shack

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He means there would be no attack if Jews hadn't "evilly" been already living and legally immigrating under the Ottomans.
The only way there would be no attack is if there were no Jews there.

Their hatred of Jews is the driving factor in all confrontations. Everything else he mentions is simply a red herring AKA bullshit.
 

Frankfooter

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So you're admitting that the numbers you quoted are very flawed and have no legitimacy.

We all know that most of that is on hamas for numerous reasons.

Regardless, nobody is lifting a finger to stop Israel from waging their war with impunity. It's a joke when you say that the world is against Israel. All the world does is flap their gums..........just like you do. The truth is that the world doesn't give a shit about Gaza or the Palis.

Go ahead and whine all you want, declare genocide all you want, declare apartheid all you want, talk about ICC and ICJ all you want. Flapping your gums is useless. Israel, with the aid of Gazan civilians will finish hamas off. Gazans will be liberated and Israel will help them build new and better lives for themselves. I betch'a even the "evil, blood-thirsty, colonial" Zionists will help physically and financially.

How ironic that will be, eh Geno? Will you give them credit when that happens?
Zionists only measure success through violence and death.
The rest of the world has ruled that Israel is committing genocide, Netanyahu is a war criminal and Israel a pariah state.

You even lost the support of Jews.
 

Frankfooter

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He means there would be no attack if Jews hadn't "evilly" been already living and legally immigrating under the Ottomans.
Stupid statement, total straw man claim.

Palestine was a multicultural state, with Jews living peacefully with Muslims and Christians before zionists decided to wipe Palestine off the maps and try to turn Israel into an ethnostate.

 

Frankfooter

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He accused me of Zionism for quoting Hamas with numbers the UN and other's accept.

Although in his world view, it checks out. I mean Hamas by Hans Frankfooters definition is committing genocide against their own people. Maybe he thinks Hamas is working for Israel.
Doing the stuff that Israel wouldn't be able to get away with either internationally or on the domestic front.
Does this make sense to you when you say it out loud, or do you realize it makes you sound like a crazy person?

 

Frankfooter

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The only way there would be no attack is if there were no Jews zionists there.

Their hatred of Jews zionists is the driving factor in all confrontations. Everything else he mentions is simply a red herring AKA bullshit.
Post corrected for accuracy.

IJV Statement on Zionism

In June 2024, IJV members voted to adopt the following position statement:

  1. IJV re-affirms that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism.
  2. IJV re-affirms that many Jewish people identify as anti-Zionist.
  3. IJV welcomes as members and supporters all people who agree with our Basis of Unity and are willing to work towards our goals.
  4. IJV re-affirms that it unequivocally opposes the following laws, policies, practices, and positions of the State of Israel, its governments, the World Zionist Organization and/or various Zionist organizations and lobby groups:
  • Jewish supremacy in any of its forms, especially in granting fewer rights to Palestinians in Israel/Palestine than to Jews;
  • Israeli laws and policies that privilege Jews over Palestinians, and/or promote forced segregation between Jews and Palestinians, and/or discriminate against Palestinian individuals, Palestinian institutions or Palestinian governments (e.g. municipalities, schools, etc.);
  • The expulsion of Palestinians, ongoing from 1948 until the present, and refusal to allow their return;
  • Expropriation of Palestinians’ property, ongoing from 1948 until the present, and refusal to pay compensation;
  • Use of public land almost exclusively for the benefit of Israel’s Jewish citizens and to the exclusion and detriment of Palestinians;
  • The continued Israeli occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, without the unequivocal granting of full rights and equality to the Palestinians living there;
  • The “Jewish Nation-State Law”;
  • Illegal Israeli settlement in the territories Israel occupied in 1967 and the ongoing expulsions of Palestinians, seizures of their lands, harassment and intimidation of local people, and illegal arrests and killings that are used to maintain and deepen the occupation;
  • The blockade of Gaza from 2007 to the present;
  • The horrific massacres, dispossession, starvation and plausible genocide inflicted on the people of Gaza in the wake of the Hamas attack on October 7, 2024; and
  • Other acts of discrimination, persecution, oppression and violence against the Palestinian people, too numerous to list here in full.
  1. Since the items listed in (4) above have become key elements of mainstream Zionism — by which we mean the political movement and supporting ideology that advocates for a state run by Jews for the benefit of Jews, to the exclusion of other citizens and noncitizens, in particular Palestinians — and since IJV is committed to working towards a future in Israel/Palestine that promises complete equality between Jews and Palestinians, IJV opposes Zionism.
  2. IJV re-affirms our support of BDS, including its three goals:
  • Ending Israel’s occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall;
  • Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and
  • Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.
 

shack

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Zionists only measure success through violence and death.
The only valid metric is survival.
The rest of the world has ruled that Israel is committing genocide, Netanyahu is a war criminal and Israel a pariah state.
Then why are they letting Israel act with impunity? You keep talking and it continues to mean nothing. You are insignificant.
 

NotADcotor

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The only valid metric is survival.
Dude, lies and bullshit
The only valid metric are the metre (m), kilogram (kg), second (s), ampere (A), kelvin (K), mole (mol), and candela.

Why do you lie. I bet you are pro genocide brah. The feels brah. The triggering.
I even told my mom you were cool.

Oh I'm gonna be doing some cutting tonight.
 

shack

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Dude, lies and bullshit
The only valid metric are the metre (m), kilogram (kg), second (s), ampere (A), kelvin (K), mole (mol), and candela.

Why do you lie. I bet you are pro genocide brah. The feels brah. The triggering.
I even told my mom you were cool.

Oh I'm gonna be doing some cutting tonight.
I'm bi. I can do metric aaand imperial, just like when a bar has both country aaand western music.
 

NotADcotor

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I'm bi. I can do metric aaand imperial, just like when a bar has both country aaand western music.
As long as they don't play Butt Metal. Death to all Butt Metal.
 

Patriot123

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If Israel stopped today the Islamic lunatics would just rebuild and come back and attack again . Israel must wipe them off the map forever
NEVER STOP TILL THEY ARE GONE
 

shack

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Patriot123 said:
If Israel stopped today the Islamic lunatics would just rebuild and come back and attack again . Israel must wipe them off the map forever
NEVER STOP TILL THEY ARE GONE


This really is a good summary of zionism and why its doomed.
It looks like Geno really put you in your place there, Pat.
 

Patriot123

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This really is a good summary of zionism and why its doomed.
I’m actually not a Zionist I’m not a fan of the Jews at all actually but looks to be like they are kicking some Muslim ass all over the place lol so keep going eradicate them
 

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