"I Am a Palestinian in Gaza and Hamas must Cede Control"

[faveone]

This is my very first post about the situation in the middle east. I've read so much on social media but have never posted anything. After reading stories I think to myself..

What the fuck did Hamas think was going to happen when they pulled off the Oct 7th raid last year?

We know Hamas doesn't have the manpower or arms to match Isreal so wtf? I'm thinking they knew EXACTLY what would happen. The response from Isreal was expected. Imagine that it happened anywhere else in the world Say a large force of armed men crossed from Mexico and attacked a bunch of places in Texas and took 100's of hostages What do you think the response would be from the USA? More so, would there be public outcry from all the European countries against the US response I don't think so. So why do we hear about all these pro Palestinian events happening? It's a terrible thing that is happening to the civilian population in Palestine ( and I don't want to get into a debate about Hamas hiding amongst civilian population) but I never heard of a single protest happening anywhere in the world when the USA dropped 2 nukes on the civillian population in Japan and wiped out 100's of thousands of civilians in an instant. Why? I look at what I consider true genocides that have been happening over the last 100 years, starting with the 1 MILLION Armenians and Greeks killed by the Ottoman empire back at the turn of the last century and then the millions of Jews killed by the Nazis during WWII , and since then there's been at least

5.5M killed in Congo 🥱
500K killed in Syria 🥱
500K killed in Sudan 🥱
400K killed in Yemen 🥱
300K killed in Iraq 🥱
250K killed in Afghanistan 🥱
.. not a single protest here in Canada or in Europe

But the 40,000 or so deaths being reported by Hamas is now being called “GENOCIDE" and we're seeing protests around the world? Why aren't/weren't any of these others being protested as genocide

Something is just not adding up here

 

[whynot888]

This is my very first post about the situation in the middle east. I've read so much on social media but have never posted anything. After reading stories I think to myself..

What the fuck did Hamas think was going to happen when they pulled off the Oct 7th raid last year?

We know Hamas doesn't have the manpower or arms to match Isreal so wtf? I'm thinking they knew EXACTLY what would happen. The response from Isreal was expected. Imagine that it happened anywhere else in the world Say a large force of armed men crossed from Mexico and attacked a bunch of places in Texas and took 100's of hostages What do you think the response would be from the USA? More so, would there be public outcry from all the European countries against the US response I don't think so. So why do we hear about all these pro Palestinian events happening? It's a terrible thing that is happening to the civilian population in Palestine ( and I don't want to get into a debate about Hamas hiding amongst civilian population) but I never heard of a single protest happening anywhere in the world when the USA dropped 2 nukes on the civillian population in Japan and wiped out 100's of thousands of civilians in an instant. Why? I look at what I consider true genocides that have been happening over the last 100 years, starting with the 1 MILLION Armenians and Greeks killed by the Ottoman empire back at the turn of the last century and then the millions of Jews killed by the Nazis during WWII , and since then there's been at least

5.5M killed in Congo 🥱
500K killed in Syria 🥱
500K killed in Sudan 🥱
400K killed in Yemen 🥱
300K killed in Iraq 🥱
250K killed in Afghanistan 🥱
.. not a single protest here in Canada or in Europe

But the 40,000 or so deaths being reported by Hamas is now being called “GENOCIDE" and we're seeing protests around the world? Why aren't/weren't any of these others being protested as genocide

Something is just not adding up here

Antisemitism!

 

[NotADcotor]

This is my very first post about the situation in the middle east. I've read so much on social media but have never posted anything. After reading stories I think to myself..

What the fuck did Hamas think was going to happen when they pulled off the Oct 7th raid last year?

We know Hamas doesn't have the manpower or arms to match Isreal so wtf? I'm thinking they knew EXACTLY what would happen. The response from Isreal was expected. Imagine that it happened anywhere else in the world Say a large force of armed men crossed from Mexico and attacked a bunch of places in Texas and took 100's of hostages What do you think the response would be from the USA? More so, would there be public outcry from all the European countries against the US response I don't think so. So why do we hear about all these pro Palestinian events happening? It's a terrible thing that is happening to the civilian population in Palestine ( and I don't want to get into a debate about Hamas hiding amongst civilian population) but I never heard of a single protest happening anywhere in the world when the USA dropped 2 nukes on the civillian population in Japan and wiped out 100's of thousands of civilians in an instant. Why? I look at what I consider true genocides that have been happening over the last 100 years, starting with the 1 MILLION Armenians and Greeks killed by the Ottoman empire back at the turn of the last century and then the millions of Jews killed by the Nazis during WWII , and since then there's been at least

5.5M killed in Congo 🥱
500K killed in Syria 🥱
500K killed in Sudan 🥱
400K killed in Yemen 🥱
300K killed in Iraq 🥱
250K killed in Afghanistan 🥱
.. not a single protest here in Canada or in Europe

But the 40,000 or so deaths being reported by Hamas is now being called “GENOCIDE" and we're seeing protests around the world? Why aren't/weren't any of these others being protested as genocide

Something is just not adding up here

You forgot Burma, where the local moslems are getting hunted down with 0 fucks to give.

As for why no fucks are to be had in any of these other situation. It doesn't take much to figure it out. Much like it doesn't take much to figure out why Hamas did the attack on Oct 7. Some combo of how killing Jews plays well for the locals and how any retaliation and the dead that result plays well for turning some people in the west onto their cause... except not really. It seems to be the usual suspect.
I also suspect that part of the Israel bad everything else is fine brigade in a knee jerk anti west view one often sees in the universities.



No fucks to give about 2 A bombs in Japan? Some of the typical west is always bad types bitch about it but... Pearl Harbor, Rape of Nanking, 3 All Champaign, etc.a small and worthy price to bring them back to civilization and teach them that you don't touch the boats, something they haven't learned in Yemen. Also there were conventional bombing attacks that were even more deadly than the A bomb attacks like the firebombing of Tokyo so actually it also shows a historical ignorance

 

[Leimonis]

This is my very first post about the situation in the middle east. I've read so much on social media but have never posted anything. After reading stories I think to myself..

What the fuck did Hamas think was going to happen when they pulled off the Oct 7th raid last year?

We know Hamas doesn't have the manpower or arms to match Isreal so wtf? I'm thinking they knew EXACTLY what would happen. The response from Isreal was expected. Imagine that it happened anywhere else in the world Say a large force of armed men crossed from Mexico and attacked a bunch of places in Texas and took 100's of hostages What do you think the response would be from the USA? More so, would there be public outcry from all the European countries against the US response I don't think so. So why do we hear about all these pro Palestinian events happening? It's a terrible thing that is happening to the civilian population in Palestine ( and I don't want to get into a debate about Hamas hiding amongst civilian population) but I never heard of a single protest happening anywhere in the world when the USA dropped 2 nukes on the civillian population in Japan and wiped out 100's of thousands of civilians in an instant. Why? I look at what I consider true genocides that have been happening over the last 100 years, starting with the 1 MILLION Armenians and Greeks killed by the Ottoman empire back at the turn of the last century and then the millions of Jews killed by the Nazis during WWII , and since then there's been at least

5.5M killed in Congo 🥱
500K killed in Syria 🥱
500K killed in Sudan 🥱
400K killed in Yemen 🥱
300K killed in Iraq 🥱
250K killed in Afghanistan 🥱
.. not a single protest here in Canada or in Europe

But the 40,000 or so deaths being reported by Hamas is now being called “GENOCIDE" and we're seeing protests around the world? Why aren't/weren't any of these others being protested as genocide

Something is just not adding up here

no Jews no news, it all adds up.

-Edit - correction: since U.S. population is approximately 36.8 times larger than Israel's population, to compare properly and proportionally, the number of killed in Texas should be 44,000 and the number of hostages would be 7400 or so.

 

[NotADcotor]

Antisemitism!

Can't wait for Hans Frankfooter to spin what he said [and he is correct and reasonable] into some sort of call to genocide the Palestinians. It's kind of his thing.

 

[Frankfooter]

BS

No, its a genocide on a giant concentration camp that Israel has turned into a death camp.

Its a fucking war!

No, wars happen between countries, not on people you illegally occupy.

 

[faveone]

You forgot Burma, where the local moslems are getting hunted down with 0 fucks to give.

As for why no fucks are to be had in any of these other situation. It doesn't take much to figure it out. Much like it doesn't take much to figure out why Hamas did the attack on Oct 7. Some combo of how killing Jews plays well for the locals and how any retaliation and the dead that result plays well for turning some people in the west onto their cause... except not really. It seems to be the usual suspect.
I also suspect that part of the Israel bad everything else is fine brigade in a knee jerk anti west view one often sees in the universities.



No fucks to give about 2 A bombs in Japan? Some of the typical west is always bad types bitch about it but... Pearl Harbor, Rape of Nanking, 3 All Champaign, etc.a small and worthy price to bring them back to civilization and teach them that you don't touch the boats, something they haven't learned in Yemen. Also there were conventional bombing attacks that were even more deadly than the A bomb attacks like the firebombing of Tokyo so actually it also shows a historical ignorance

You're right! I did not even touch on the bombing of civilian populations in England and Germany by both sides

 

[Frankfooter]

It's like talking to a fucking wall. Or explaining something to a cat, except cats are cute.

Multiple times I've explained that the clearly marked correspondence section which he is saying is a Lancet thing is not peer reviewed and does not reflect Lancet editorial position, it was a letter to the editor that they print. Many letter of the editors are often in contradiction to a journals position. The Economist thinks Trump is too dangerous to elect, if the print something in their letters section pro trump, that is not their position, they position doesn't change. That's why it is in the letters section.

The terb rules makes reference to sincere discussion or debate I forget which. What Hans Frankfooter does is not that, not in the slightest. It's worse than Mitchells twit spamming in that regard. He doesn't even pretend to engage in debate, he is just using terb to spread his message [of shit but that's irrelevant]. Hans Frankfooter in kinda engaged in something like debate or pretending to but he ignores all irrefutable debunking and continues with the same bullshit

Same thing when he presents inflated numbers that are disproved by the Palestine ministry of health reported by Al-Jazera.

A person engaged in sinere discussion would at the least acknoledge that they were wrong, and then no longer use debunked arguements.
At the very least, if they are touchy and child like, they would just ignore it and just move on not using such PROVEN false claims in the future.
Anyone with any sort of self respect and respect for the people they are engaged with would do that.

Hans Frankfooter? He continues over and over again.

I know I often fact check things I am pretty sure on and do citations because I don't want to look like an idiot. Granted on terb from all sides of the austis... I mean political spectrum it is usually a complete waste of time because facts, evidence and proper citations if ghey apparently. But I do it... Or I just tell people they are wrong and tell them it's not worth my time explaining it to them [which is true.

I DON"T FUCKING BRING UP CLEARLY DEBUNKED data points up over and over again

Hans Frankfooter is dismissing evidence from the Palestine Ministry of Health... in the support of erm... Palestine? WTF.

Let's play Hans Frankfooter bingo

He will
1: Just ignore this because he doesn't have a leg to stand on and keep going it
2: Post a picture of some kid that Hamas put in harms way to generate sympathy from fellow travelers and useful idiots in the west and distract their people from their own failures. Which by the way does nothing to disprove my thesis. Another common Hans Frankfooter tactic.
3: Call me a racist, or pro genocidal even though that's been debunked. Which again disproves nothing of what I said.

Your posts are nonsense, just hate filled rants about how everyone is wrong and only you know what's going and how many Israel has killed.
You say the UN, HRW, Amnesty, Lancet, WHO, MSF, Oxfam and B'tselem are all wrong, only you know what's going on.
You argue that the ICC and ICJ don't know the law, only you know the law.

You make incredibly basic errors and declare yourself smarter than all. You think that the Gaza health ministry's counting of dead bodies is really the full tally of all killed, all buried in rubble, all missing, all critically injured and suffering with the health care destroyed, all those starving to death and all those with critical health issues caused by a year of starvation, no health care, no shelter and constant genocidal bombing.

Your personal opinion is worth half a shit.
I'll take the reports and opinions of experts and people who have seen what's going on, I'll take the word of medical experts and legal experts.
Not some hate filled zionist who declares he knows better then everyone.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1831523086799134720

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1855021050867638583

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849883530563813755

 

[Frankfooter]

So calling for the murder of all Jews from river to sea or their conversion into something acceptable to Hamas.... isn't anti semetic?

A bit like Paul Bernardo posting a similar meme but with teenage rapist in the title.

I've proved over and over again that you people hate Jews. It's a legit accusation. You two just have barely enough sense to not admit it, while calling for a purge.

You scream about racism like buddy here.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846336381171515446

 

[Frankfooter]

You're right! I did not even touch on the bombing of civilian populations in England and Germany by both sides

Latest estimates using the Lancet formula put the number who will die as a result of the genocide at about 368,000.
You are comparing wars to a genocide over a captive group of refugees living in a giant concentration camp.

But really what makes it current is that 70% of the weapons used were paid for by the US.
This is a US/Israeli war on Arabs.

70% of the victims are women and children.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858996085517414443

 

[Frankfooter]

You forgot Burma, where the local moslems are getting hunted down with 0 fucks to give.

As for why no fucks are to be had in any of these other situation. It doesn't take much to figure it out. Much like it doesn't take much to figure out why Hamas did the attack on Oct 7. Some combo of how killing Jews plays well for the locals and how any retaliation and the dead that result plays well for turning some people in the west onto their cause... except not really. It seems to be the usual suspect.
I also suspect that part of the Israel bad everything else is fine brigade in a knee jerk anti west view one often sees in the universities.



No fucks to give about 2 A bombs in Japan? Some of the typical west is always bad types bitch about it but... Pearl Harbor, Rape of Nanking, 3 All Champaign, etc.a small and worthy price to bring them back to civilization and teach them that you don't touch the boats, something they haven't learned in Yemen. Also there were conventional bombing attacks that were even more deadly than the A bomb attacks like the firebombing of Tokyo so actually it also shows a historical ignorance

You think those are horrible?
Israel has dropped way more explosives on a way smaller area, killing more people.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858865658022252964

 

[NotADcotor]

No, wars happen between countries, not on people you illegally occupy.

And I suppose you considering the Russian invasion of Ukraine a Special Military Operation also

Google define war and you get this
a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

But that won't stop you from repeating this over and over which makes future statements a lie because you have been told

Also

English Civil War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not between countries

Chinese Civil War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not between countries

I could go on and on and on.

Even if it doesn't meet some made up definition of war that only you use, your being pendandic and shallow like Lois's meatloaf. Fine It's a military operation, what do you expect to happen. Unless they were wacked up on goofball Hamas knew exactly what would happen as a result of Oct 7, they knew it, the obviously wanted that outcome.

 

[NotADcotor]

You think those are horrible?
Israel has dropped way more explosives on a way smaller area, killing more people.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858865658022252964

And yet only 40K dead in Gaza according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health. It's almost as if Israel is doing their best to avoid killing civilians. About the same as in London during the Blitz and less than in Hiroshima.
Even better, one large bomb as at Hiroshima is not as destructive as the same explosive power spread over many smaller munitions. Look it up, it's the way it is. Which is why 4 250KT weapons will fuck up a city [assuming the are spread out] more than a single 1MT weapon.

SO you both lie and also prove that Israel is trying to avoid killing people. Huzzah for the IDF landing so much killing power but avoiding killing so many civilians.

Oh but it gets even better. The Health ministry doesn't differentiate the military from civilian dead inflating the numbers of civilian dead.

So more explosoive power, much more potential damage power and much less dead civilians.

It's almost as if you don't know what the word genocide means.
This is also why if any UN organization says Israel is committing genocide, I'll take them about as serious as them putting Iran on the Commission on the Status of Women... as in not at all.

Oh and look at this MR the UN is always right unless they disagree with me in which case they are wrong

What is Gaza's Ministry of Health and how does it calculate the war's death toll?

The Gaza-based Ministry of Health — an agency in the Hamas-controlled government — continues to tally casualty numbers.

apnews.com

"The United Nations and other international institutions and experts, as well as Palestinian authorities in the West Bank — rivals of Hamas — say the Gaza ministry has long made a good-faith effort to account for the dead under the most difficult conditions."
"
The numbers may not be perfectly accurate on a minute-to-minute basis,” said Michael Ryan, of the World Health Organization’s Health Emergencies Program. “But they largely reflect the level of death and injury. In previous wars, the ministry’s counts have held up to U.N. scrutiny, independent investigations and even Israel’s tallies."


So when you claim numbers 5 times higher than what the Hamas Gaza Health Ministry says you are saying the UN, the WHO and other international institutions and experts and even their local rivals are full of shit.
I mean if you don't trust Hamas, why should we?

 

[Frankfooter]

And I suppose you considering the Russian invasion of Ukraine a Special Military Operation also

Google define war and you get this
a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

But that won't stop you from repeating this over and over which makes future statements a lie because you have been told

Also

English Civil War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not between countries

Chinese Civil War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not between countries

I could go on and on and on.

Even if it doesn't meet some made up definition of war that only you use, your being pendandic and shallow like Lois's meatloaf. Fine It's a military operation, what do you expect to happen. Unless they were wacked up on goofball Hamas knew exactly what would happen as a result of Oct 7, they knew it, the obviously wanted that outcome.

You will go on and on, we all know that.
And you will be wrong, as usual.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1853778348561846681

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712868549138763937

 

[Frankfooter]

And yet only 40K dead in Gaza according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health. It's almost as if Israel is doing their best to avoid killing civilians. About the same as in London during the Blitz and less than in Hiroshima.
Even better, one large bomb as at Hiroshima is not as destructive as the same explosive power spread over many smaller munitions. Look it up, it's the way it is. Which is why 4 250KT weapons will fuck up a city [assuming the are spread out] more than a single 1MT weapon.

SO you both lie and also prove that Israel is trying to avoid killing people. Huzzah for the IDF landing so much killing power but avoiding killing so many civilians.

Oh but it gets even better. The Health ministry doesn't differentiate the military from civilian dead inflating the numbers of civilian dead.

So more explosoive power, much more potential damage power and much less dead civilians.

It's almost as if you don't know what the word genocide means.
This is also why if any UN organization says Israel is committing genocide, I'll take them about as serious as them putting Iran on the Commission on the Status of Women... as in not at all.

Oh and look at this MR the UN is always right unless they disagree with me in which case they are wrong

What is Gaza's Ministry of Health and how does it calculate the war's death toll?

The Gaza-based Ministry of Health — an agency in the Hamas-controlled government — continues to tally casualty numbers.

apnews.com

"The United Nations and other international institutions and experts, as well as Palestinian authorities in the West Bank — rivals of Hamas — say the Gaza ministry has long made a good-faith effort to account for the dead under the most difficult conditions."
"
The numbers may not be perfectly accurate on a minute-to-minute basis,” said Michael Ryan, of the World Health Organization’s Health Emergencies Program. “But they largely reflect the level of death and injury. In previous wars, the ministry’s counts have held up to U.N. scrutiny, independent investigations and even Israel’s tallies."


So when you claim numbers 5 times higher than what the Hamas Gaza Health Ministry says you are saying the UN, the WHO and other international institutions and experts and even their local rivals are full of shit.
I mean if you don't trust Hamas, why should we?

You are intentionally repeating a basic mistake.
The Health Ministry counts bodies brought to them at hospitals.

Israel has destroyed all the hospitals, is killing all the doctors who count the dead, killing the reporters who report on atrocities, destroying the health care system, starving the population and making the population suffer disease and starvation without a health care system.

The number that will die from the genocide includes those who will die in the next few months of injuries, illness or starvation they are suffering right now.

You know this and yet you intentionally lie and say that only counting the dead by the Health Ministry counts.
tsk tsk

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1805122389069476209

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858411333282087346

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1857940676484239859

 

[NotADcotor]

You will go on and on, we all know that.
And you will be wrong, as usual.

Right I got it

"Google’s English dictionary is provided by Oxford Languages.
Oxford Languages is the world’s leading dictionary publisher, with over 150 years of experience creating and delivering authoritative dictionaries globally in more than 50 languages."

Is wrong and a couple of hate Mongers on twitter are correct. Nothing you posted counteracts what I said or proved what I said wrong. This puts serious question about your judgement.

Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you go on and on like this putting rando comments on twitter often with misapplied or incorrect context over verifiable sources.


Associated Press is wrong, The Gaza Health Ministry is wrong. Al Jezera is wrong. Le Monde is wrong. The UN is wrong, WHO is wrong, the Palestinians who run the West Bank are wrong even Hamas is wrong because you get your real facts from Twitter

You are total clown shoes. Also who the fuck are you to accuse anyone of going on and on. Yeah you really "owned me"

 

[NotADcotor]

You are intentionally repeating a basic mistake.
The Health Ministry counts bodies brought to them at hospitals.

Israel has destroyed all the hospitals, is killing all the doctors who count the dead, killing the reporters who report on atrocities, destroying the health care system, starving the population and making the population suffer disease and starvation without a health care system.

The number that will die from the genocide includes those who will die in the next few months of injuries, illness or starvation they are suffering right now.

You know this and yet you intentionally lie and say that only counting the dead by the Health Ministry counts.
tsk tsk

Except oh yeah, you didn't read what I wrote did you.
"
"The United Nations and other international institutions and experts, as well as Palestinian authorities in the West Bank — rivals of Hamas — say the Gaza ministry has long made a good-faith effort to account for the dead under the most difficult conditions."
"
The numbers may not be perfectly accurate on a minute-to-minute basis,” said Michael Ryan, of the World Health Organization’s Health Emergencies Program. “But they largely reflect the level of death and injury. In previous wars, the ministry’s counts have held up to U.N. scrutiny, independent investigations and even Israel’s tallies."
"

They all accept it and you go on and on about how the UN must be obeyed and are always correct. It's good enough for them, it's even good enough for their rivals.


So none of what you said counteracts the FACT which I have provided an actual source for that these numbers are respected by many sources some you claim to respect. Until it doesn't suit you.

Also destroyed ALL the hospitals, No citation. Considering how much you lie, would you be amazed that I don't believe you.
Oh guess whose Ministry of Health says you are wrong on that. Go ahead. Guess.

Why the Gaza Health Ministry's death count is considered reliable

Since the start of the war between Israel and Hamas on October 7, 2023, the credibility of the figures published by the Hamas-run administration has been regularly questioned.

www.lemonde.fr

"According to the World Health Organization, only 17 of Gaza's 36 hospitals are partially operational."
17 out of 36 is not all. You LIED, you invented stats, pulled it out of your ass

2: You said "The Health Ministry counts bodies brought to them at hospitals."

Same source
"To overcome this difficulty, the ministry relies on first-aid sources (Red Crescent, Palestinian Civil Defense) and "reliable media sources." It has also set up a "martyrs and missing persons" reporting form to count victims buried under rubble or those who could not be transported to hospitals. The information unit is responsible for verifying each testimony, and then, based on the evidence gathered, a judicial committee decides on the death tolls."

You LIED again.


Again the UN seems fine with those numbers
"Like most humanitarian organizations, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights considers the government source to be reliable. "We have been working with the Palestinian Ministry of Health for many years, particularly during previous conflicts. Our assessments are very close to theirs, and in some cases, we even had higher figures," its spokesperson assured Le Monde. The assessments carried out by the UN over the last 15 years are more or less similar to the ministry's figures."

"British public health specialists found that the mortality rates reported by the Ministry of Health in Gaza followed similar patterns to those of deaths among staff of the UN agency responsible for Palestinian refugees. Meanwhile, researchers at Johns-Hopkins University estimated that there is "no evidence of inflated excess mortality by the Gaza Ministry of Health," and that "difficulties in obtaining accurate mortality figures should not be interpreted as intentionally erroneous data.""

As for the starving, it's a war zone, whose fault is that. I don't consider Israel to be under any obligation to feed people under a government that they generally support whose stated aim is to exterminate them. That would be a bit like asking a girl why they didn't send a thank you note to their rapist.

Oh and you graphic is talking about explosive tonnage, last time I checked nobody starved to death from bomb damage. Yes bombs damage infrastructure but it is almost impossible to keep it destroyed. Usually the blame goes to Israel not letting aid in to support the people who want to river and sea genocide them, not bomb damage.
You have also provided 0 evidence that people who starved to death or died of disease are not being counted. I mean you LIED about how only those who are brought into hospitals. You lied about how all the hospitals have been destroyed [hey maybe try not using them as shields huh]

As for my statements
You said I lied. Where did I lie
Are not the Ministry's numbers for dead a bit over 40 K? I provided actual citations on that from Arab sources even. So even if you dispute the numbers, they are their estimates, that is true and verified again by arab news sources. Pretty sure I clearly identified those numbers as their numbers and they are their numbers.

What I said about explosions is also accurate

The MoH does NOT differentiate between civilian and military dead, and I have a citation on that from an actual respected news source
The UN did put Iran on the Commission on the Status of Women. Not going to bother giving a citation, look it up
And the AP news source also is where I got the information that the MoH's numbers are widely respected by the UN, WHO and many others.


You accused me of lying, yet I did not tell a single lie. Everything I said has a citation. Lie number 3

Funny that, I keep proving you lie, and much like a child you respond with nuh uh you are, and yet I prove you lie some more. Do you enjoy intellectual beatdowns, should you not be in the BDSM section of terb?

Yet you will continue telling lies and bullshit, you will continue to be debunked and you will continue to make up total bullshit to accuse other people of on the basis of nothing but lies and bullshit all in support of a terrorist group who literally wants to exterminate the Jews from the middle east [which I have provided citations in the past, and Klatuu pretty much admitted to via dog whitle comments] while having the nerve to accuse others of wanting genocide when really we just want you to stop with your lies and bullshit, your hate motivated campaign of disinformation to generate hate. Aka hate speech.

Again, I'd hazard a guess that few here actually hates the Palistinians or wish them hard but they keep fucking around and finding out and for that they do not deserve any sympathy. Even the rest of the Arab world gave up in the 70s, but people like Hamas target civilians, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that many people here hate you and others are just disgusted by you and your support for targeting civilians while making false claims [again backed by actual citations from respectable non israeli soruces and not some rando on twitter] about Israel doing the same thing on any but an isolated and accidental basis.

 

[Frankfooter]

Associated Press is wrong, The Gaza Health Ministry is wrong. Al Jezera is wrong. Le Monde is wrong. The UN is wrong, WHO is wrong, the Palestinians who run the West Bank are wrong even Hamas is wrong because you get your real facts from Twitter

You are the one claiming all sources are wrong, buddy, not me.
zionists like you make the kkk look like Mr Rogers.

You argue that the number of people Israel has killed is only 45,000 while you say you trust the numbers by the Gaza Health Ministry over total estimates suggested at the Lancet. You know who does the counting of the dead? Doctors. You know what Israel is doing to doctors?

This:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859008236256719361

Today's news is that the last hospital in north Gaza is filling with children suffering from malnutrition. Again.
CBC is reporting on the story, anyone defending starving children is as fucking evil as any nazi.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858585354959303102

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859216830029504703

 

[Frankfooter]

Except oh yeah, you didn't read what I wrote did you.
"
"The United Nations and other international institutions and experts, as well as Palestinian authorities in the West Bank — rivals of Hamas — say the Gaza ministry has long made a good-faith effort to account for the dead under the most difficult conditions."
"
The numbers may not be perfectly accurate on a minute-to-minute basis,” said Michael Ryan, of the World Health Organization’s Health Emergencies Program. “But they largely reflect the level of death and injury. In previous wars, the ministry’s counts have held up to U.N. scrutiny, independent investigations and even Israel’s tallies."
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They all accept it and you go on and on about how the UN must be obeyed and are always correct. It's good enough for them, it's even good enough for their rivals.

As your article states, they are counting bodies. Not those who are buried, missing, blown to pieces, about to die from starvation, injuries or disease. That is where the Lancet numbers come from. You are intentionally trying to minimize the evil you back, buddy.

So none of what you said counteracts the FACT which I have provided an actual source for that these numbers are respected by many sources some you claim to respect. Until it doesn't suit you.

Also destroyed ALL the hospitals, No citation. Considering how much you lie, would you be amazed that I don't believe you.
Oh guess whose Ministry of Health says you are wrong on that. Go ahead. Guess.

Why the Gaza Health Ministry's death count is considered reliable

Since the start of the war between Israel and Hamas on October 7, 2023, the credibility of the figures published by the Hamas-run administration has been regularly questioned.

www.lemonde.fr

"According to the World Health Organization, only 17 of Gaza's 36 hospitals are partially operational."
17 out of 36 is not all. You LIED, you invented stats, pulled it out of your ass

2: You said "The Health Ministry counts bodies brought to them at hospitals."

You think 'partially functioning' is ok? Those hospitals are mostly destroyed, every single hospital has been attacked, is suffering damage, power supply issues, medical supply issues, water and food issues. Yet here you are claiming that Israel are being humane because you think 17 partially functioning hospitals means Israel is still the most moral army in the world. Sorry, dude, but you're a fucking nazi if you are backing destroying and partially destroying hospitals.

Same source
"To overcome this difficulty, the ministry relies on first-aid sources (Red Crescent, Palestinian Civil Defense) and "reliable media sources." It has also set up a "martyrs and missing persons" reporting form to count victims buried under rubble or those who could not be transported to hospitals. The information unit is responsible for verifying each testimony, and then, based on the evidence gathered, a judicial committee decides on the death tolls."

You LIED again.

Bullshit, buddy. Those people are not counted as dead, but missing. You keep acting as if they will just magically dig themselves out from rubble, glue together the remaining body bits and resume life. According to your source, those are not counted as dead. You lied.

Again the UN seems fine with those numbers
"Like most humanitarian organizations, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights considers the government source to be reliable. "We have been working with the Palestinian Ministry of Health for many years, particularly during previous conflicts. Our assessments are very close to theirs, and in some cases, we even had higher figures," its spokesperson assured Le Monde. The assessments carried out by the UN over the last 15 years are more or less similar to the ministry's figures."

"British public health specialists found that the mortality rates reported by the Ministry of Health in Gaza followed similar patterns to those of deaths among staff of the UN agency responsible for Palestinian refugees. Meanwhile, researchers at Johns-Hopkins University estimated that there is "no evidence of inflated excess mortality by the Gaza Ministry of Health," and that "difficulties in obtaining accurate mortality figures should not be interpreted as intentionally erroneous data.""

Yes, after decades of counting the dead from Israeli attacks the world recognizes that Palestinian are good at counting bodies. That's not the point, the point that the Lancet makes is that the counted bodies are just the tip of the iceberg.

As for the starving, it's a war zone, whose fault is that. I don't consider Israel to be under any obligation to feed people under a government that they generally support whose stated aim is to exterminate them. That would be a bit like asking a girl why they didn't send a thank you note to their rapist.

The starvation is Israel's fault. Its a continuation of 17 years blockade, including years when they counted calories for all of Gaza. Its part of the policy articulated by Gallant at the start of the genocide and its clearly Israeli genocidal policy. No aid has reached north Gaza in 41 days.

Virtually no aid has reached north Gaza in 40 days, UN says

The UN says bakeries and kitchens have shut down due to limited supplies in the region.

www.bbc.com

Malnutrition cases grow in Gaza, hospitals report, as little aid and food make it through | RCI

Hospitals struggle to treat patients amid shortages as aid trucks violently looted

ici.radio-canada.ca

Oh and you graphic is talking about explosive tonnage, last time I checked nobody starved to death from bomb damage. Yes bombs damage infrastructure but it is almost impossible to keep it destroyed. Usually the blame goes to Israel not letting aid in to support the people who want to river and sea genocide them, not bomb damage.
You have also provided 0 evidence that people who starved to death or died of disease are not being counted. I mean you LIED about how only those who are brought into hospitals. You lied about how all the hospitals have been destroyed [hey maybe try not using them as shields huh]

What the fuck? 'Nobody starved to death from bomb damage'?
Israel has destroyed almost every building in Gaza and you think that means nobody died and Israel is protecting civilians from Hamas or something.
In 1945 you'd be declaring that the death camps have eliminated all body lice 100% so everyone should cheer.

As for my statements

You said I lied. Where did I lie
Are not the Ministry's numbers for dead a bit over 40 K? I provided actual citations on that from Arab sources even. So even if you dispute the numbers, they are their estimates, that is true and verified again by arab news sources. Pretty sure I clearly identified those numbers as their numbers and they are their numbers.

What I said about explosions is also accurate

The MoH does NOT differentiate between civilian and military dead, and I have a citation on that from an actual respected news source
The UN did put Iran on the Commission on the Status of Women. Not going to bother giving a citation, look it up
And the AP news source also is where I got the information that the MoH's numbers are widely respected by the UN, WHO and many others.

Those same ministries say that 20,000 kids were missing in June. You won't count them. How many more people are missing or about to die? You won't count them or take credit for their deaths by Israel.

Over 20,000 children buried, trapped, detained, lost amid Gaza war: Report

Huge numbers trapped beneath rubble, buried in unmarked graves, detained by Israel, lost says Save the Children.

www.aljazeera.com

You accused me of lying, yet I did not tell a single lie. Everything I said has a citation. Lie number 3

You say 'partially destroyed' hospitals don't count as hospitals attacked or destroyed, you won't count 20,000 missing kids as likely dead or accept any numbers except those counted by the the doctors currently being raped, tortured and killed by Israel.

Whether you are lying or have talked yourself into believing that the genocide isn't happening doesn't matter.
What matters is that you are here defending killing civilians so you can steal their land.
You are here defending killing, mutilating and starving children and then blaming the victims.

Funny that, I keep proving you lie, and much like a child you respond with nuh uh you are, and yet I prove you lie some more. Do you enjoy intellectual beatdowns, should you not be in the BDSM section of terb?

Yet you will continue telling lies and bullshit, you will continue to be debunked and you will continue to make up total bullshit to accuse other people of on the basis of nothing but lies and bullshit all in support of a terrorist group who literally wants to exterminate the Jews from the middle east [which I have provided citations in the past, and Klatuu pretty much admitted to via dog whitle comments] while having the nerve to accuse others of wanting genocide when really we just want you to stop with your lies and bullshit, your hate motivated campaign of disinformation to generate hate. Aka hate speech.

Again, I'd hazard a guess that few here actually hates the Palistinians or wish them hard but they keep fucking around and finding out and for that they do not deserve any sympathy. Even the rest of the Arab world gave up in the 70s, but people like Hamas target civilians, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that many people here hate you and others are just disgusted by you and your support for targeting civilians while making false claims [again backed by actual citations from respectable non israeli soruces and not some rando on twitter] about Israel doing the same thing on any but an isolated and accidental basis.

This is what you argue for here.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858773853708673527

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-israel-malnutrition-1.7386022

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858872870279278850

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854890085784678449

 

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You are the one claiming all sources are wrong, buddy, not me.
zionists like you make the kkk look like Mr Rogers.

You argue that the number of people Israel has killed is only 45,000 while you say you trust the numbers by the Gaza Health Ministry over total estimates suggested at the Lancet. You know who does the counting of the dead? Doctors. You know what Israel is doing to doctors?

First of all Lancet NEVER suggested anything. According to Lacnet, correspondence IS NOT PEER REVIEWED, It's a FUCKING LETTER TO THE EDITOR.
Two You literally are shitting on claims made by the authoritative boots on the ground source, by Hamas,
backed by their rivals on the west bank
backed by the UN
backed by WHO
backed by pretty much everyone
as reported by the Arabic press, Le Monde and if you look around many other sources.

You have, a letter sent to a journal, not a position statement of that journal, you constantly lie about that no matter how much you have been corrected.

I don't say all sources are wrong. I say 1 letter written in disagrees with the MINISTERY OF FUCKING HEALTH OF GAZA.

You are the one who takes that letter as solid truth over Hamas governmental sources trusted by the UN and WHO and everyone else.
Then you say this. "zionists like you make the kkk look like Mr Rogers."
Hans Frankfooter just admitted that Hamas, the West Bank authorities, the UN, WHO and jsut about everyone else are Zionists and much worse than the KKK

I should put this in my sig, but it seems terb protects people who advocate for the extermination of the Jews, I guess that doesn't count as hate. My sig did not break any rules, it was pure evidence that you are motivated by hate with plenty of citations.