Support of Israeli genocide costs Harris and the dems the election

shack

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Genocide Joe, Holocaust Harris and now Devastation Donald.
As I keep pointing out, Israel is a valuable geopolitical ally in the middle east and the leaders of each party recognize this. This is why they all continue to support Israel. It is almost a universally accept maxim, that Israel is a valued asset that the US must protect, regardless of who is in power.

It is not at all a mystery. Get over it and deal with it
 

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Shazi has been promoting genocide here for a year.

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Hamas is powerless to stop Israel. Israel will stop when they are good and ready.

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BTW, the only race/religion that is know as "the chosen people", is Israel.

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Seeing as Israel's suffering is miniscule compared to that of the Palis (as you've incessantly complained about) it seems like it was pretty fucking smart.
None of those say that I support genocide.
 

JohnLarue

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Israel has no hold over the US. It's the other way around.

The reality is that Israel is a valued asset/ally to the US and the US is protecting an asset as they do with all of their other assets.
No doubt there is distinction between ally / asset for some in the US military / intelligence agencies
However the reality is not quite as as sinister as you paint it

Israel is surrounded by enemies, who's explicit objective is the elimination of Israel.
Israel has nukes
There is no point in having a weapon if you wont use it when faced with extermination.

if push comes to shove and their existence is really threatened, Israel could / would nuke Tehran. or some other capital in the middle east
not good for anyone
its in the U.S. best interest to keep a lid on the hostilities by supporting Israel.

this also why there can not be peace while the the wack jobs like Hamas have as their goal the elimination of Israel.
if they ever came close to achieving their goal .... they get exterminated.... in a big kaboom
not much value in the land from the river to the sea if it glows in the dark.
 

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As I keep pointing out, Israel is a valuable geopolitical ally in the middle east and the leaders of each party recognize this. This is why they all continue to support Israel. It is almost a universally accept maxim, that Israel is a valued asset that the US must protect, regardless of who is in power.

It is not at all a mystery. Get over it and deal with it
You are funny.

 

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Shazi has been promoting genocide here for a year.






None of those say that I support genocide.
Go ahead and find one post that says you are against the genocide in Gaza, Shazi.
What you will say is you are a holocaust denier and pretend that there is no genocide.
That is your form of promoting genocide.

You know its going on and you think its 'pretty fucking smart'.


 

Frankfooter

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No doubt there is distinction between ally / asset for some in the US military / intelligence agencies
However the reality is not quite as as sinister as you paint it

Israel is surrounded by enemies, who's explicit objective is the elimination of Israel.
Israel has nukes
There is no point in having a weapon if you wont use it when faced with extermination.

if push comes to shove and their existence is really threatened, Israel could / would nuke Tehran. or some other capital in the middle east
not good for anyone
its in the U.S. best interest to keep a lid on the hostilities by supporting Israel.

this also why there can not be peace while the the wack jobs like Hamas have as their goal the elimination of Israel.
if they ever came close to achieving their goal .... they get exterminated.... in a big kaboom
not much value in the land from the river to the sea if it glows in the dark.
While you fully support wiping Palestine off the maps?
The entire world thinks that's morally repugnant.

 

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No doubt there is distinction between ally / asset for some in the US military / intelligence agencies
However the reality is not quite as as sinister as you paint it

Israel is surrounded by enemies, who's explicit objective is the elimination of Israel.
Israel has nukes
There is no point in having a weapon if you wont use it when faced with extermination.

if push comes to shove and their existence is really threatened, Israel could / would nuke Tehran. or some other capital in the middle east
not good for anyone
its in the U.S. best interest to keep a lid on the hostilities by supporting Israel.

this also why there can not be peace while the the wack jobs like Hamas have as their goal the elimination of Israel.
if they ever came close to achieving their goal .... they get exterminated.... in a big kaboom
not much value in the land from the river to the sea if it glows in the dark.

"There is no point in having a weapon if you wont use it when faced with extermination."

So you'd concur that Hamas on Oct 7 was being quite rational and in accordance with your axiom?



"this is also why there can not be peace whilewhile the wack jobs like Hamas have as their goal the elimination of Israe.
if they ever came close to achieving their .... they get exterminated....in a big kaboom
not much value in the land from the river to the sea if it glows in the dark"

Seriously? The Sampson Option? And the zionists will be god's only CHOSEN survivors in the land?
 

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It’s a two way thing because of US geopolitical goals in the Middle East, they’re both locked into it… but yeah that’s a fair statement in that respect. But they didn’t send them premium fighter jets in the past for no reason, nomesayin

Israel lobby in the US will be strong regardless of anything. It’s money honey (shekels?)
Regardless of whoever is in power, Israel will always gonna be backed by US....it's as simple as Israel is the only ally they have in the middle east that are willing to get their ha ds dirty for America. America is able to do what they do in the middle east because of Israel.
 

JohnLarue

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"There is no point in having a weapon if you wont use it when faced with extermination."

So you'd concur that Hamas on Oct 7 was being quite rational and in accordance with your axiom?
Do not be stupid and pretend Oct 7 was anything but an evil sadistic terrorist attack on unarmed civilians with an opportunity to rape / murder and collect hostages as a bonus for the irrational blood thirsty terrorists

1. Hamas is not facing extermination, they still have the option of laying down their weapons.. Israel does not have that option. .
2. if Israelis lay down their weapons they are dead, every last one of them knows this

"this is also why there can not be peace while the wack jobs like Hamas have as their goal the elimination of Israel.
if they ever came close to achieving their .... they get exterminated....in a big kaboom
not much value in the land from the river to the sea if it glows in the dark"

Seriously? The Sampson Option?
if your the last man standing , knowing your family / countrymen has been murdered by uncompromising irrational blood thirsty terrorists , knowing your going to die very soon and you have the button for the nuclear weapons , you will push it
its human nature
Seriously? you do not understand this ??????
That is astounding

it is beyond naive for to believe Hamas can possibly win this conflict
It is even more naive to believe Hamas will ever occupy Israel and actually take possession of the disputed land
it is even more Ludacris to believe the Israel will ever hand over the nukes to irrational blood thirsty terrorists
finally and hopefully this sinks in for you: it is beyond naive to believe the Palestine's will ever know peace so long as they tolerate/ support Hamas (religious mafia)

the stated objective of the elimination of Israel is a guarantee there will never be peace in the region
if you do not understand this you are hopeless

And the Zionists will be god's only CHOSEN survivors in the land?
religious mumble jumble is irrelevant if you are about to be exterminated
 
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Regardless of whoever is in power, Israel will always gonna be backed by US....it's as simple as Israel is the only ally they have in the middle east that are willing to get their ha ds dirty for America. America is able to do what they do in the middle east because of Israel.
Delusional
 
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JohnLarue

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And the zionists will be god's only CHOSEN survivors in the land?
you are not paying attention
nobody will be occupying a nuclear wasteland

keep on expecting the elimination of Israel and this is an outcome you need to expect could happen
It would happen if Israel's exitance is really threatened ie Hamas starting winning the battles in a big way

Hamas' objective is not possible as their exitance ends if they came close to achieving the objective
It is stupid and illogical thinking by irrational uncompromising nutters.

Unless of course, Hamas are just mafioso who care nothing for the Palestinians they control via fear & intimidation
In which case you are also soooo wrong for different reasons

Israel's objective: Stop throwing stones, launching rockets at us and murdering our people
A more rational objective
 
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you are not paying attention
nobody will be occupying a nuclear wasteland

keep on expecting the elimination of Israel and this is an outcome you need to expect could happen
It would happen if Israel's exitance is really threatened ie Hamas starting winning the battles in a big way

Hamas' objective is not possible as their exitance ends if they came close to achieving the objective
It is stupid and illogical thinking by irrational uncompromising nutters.

Unless of course, Hamas are just mafioso who care nothing for the Palestinians they control via fear & intimidation
In which case you are also soooo wrong for different reasons

Israel's objective: Stop throwing stones, launching rockets at us and murdering our people
A more rational objective
Inane
 
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shack

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No doubt there is distinction between ally / asset for some in the US military / intelligence agencies
However the reality is not quite as as sinister as you paint it

Israel is surrounded by enemies, who's explicit objective is the elimination of Israel.
Israel has nukes
There is no point in having a weapon if you wont use it when faced with extermination.

if push comes to shove and their existence is really threatened, Israel could / would nuke Tehran. or some other capital in the middle east
not good for anyone
its in the U.S. best interest to keep a lid on the hostilities by supporting Israel.

this also why there can not be peace while the the wack jobs like Hamas have as their goal the elimination of Israel.
if they ever came close to achieving their goal .... they get exterminated.... in a big kaboom
not much value in the land from the river to the sea if it glows in the dark.
No dispute with what you say.

My point was to counter the usual comments that somehow, Israel controls the US and they do that because of PACs.

My continual argument is that Israel is a geopolitical asset/ally to the US in the area and that it is the best interests of the US to make sure that Israel is not in any imminent danger.
 

JohnLarue

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No dispute with what you say.

My point was to counter the usual comments that somehow, Israel controls the US and they do that because of PACs.

My continual argument is that Israel is a geopolitical asset/ally to the US in the area and that it is the best interests of the US to make sure that Israel is not in any imminent danger.
agreed

some people just view things in the "we good / them bad" mode without consideration for other factors
 

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Its very odd that Trump sent Musk to meet with the Iranian ambassador, probably had a letter to hand over. What was it? A Hallmark "Sorry I murdered you top general" card? Lol. I am sure he is trying to postpone the planned massive strike by Iran against Israel. (Retaliation II) ...
Like the massive strikes Iran launched the last two times? I think the only deaths Iran caused were Palestinians.
Meanwhile it seems Israel's targeted strikes destroyed Iran's research program on nuclear trigger devices.


And sorry but Russia is demanding all of Iran's drone production.
 

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Like the massive strikes Iran launched the last two times? I think the only deaths Iran caused were Palestinians.
Meanwhile it seems Israel's targeted strikes destroyed Iran's research program on nuclear trigger devices.


And sorry but Russia is demanding all of Iran's drone production.
Oh yeah Irans most secret program called Axios and gave them that info lol. I think one pali did when debris fell on him from missile. Iran certainly coulda killed Israelis but it has chosen to hit only military targets and provided 2H notice. of the strike
 
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