Support of Israeli genocide costs Harris and the dems the election

[shack]

Michigan is a unique situation. But even there, there are multiple factors as to why people cast their votes. Blaming the loss in Michigan all because the single issue of Gaza is a stretch. But to claim that the whole election was lost because of Gaza in unfathomable. In this Gallup Poll Gaza/Hamas/Israel is not even mentioned. Terrorism is mentioned but that's a much, wider topic than the Gazan war.

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[Klatuu]

Thyat is nothing more than your biased speculation. What statistics do you have to support you laughable speculations? Which electoral college specifically were lost?

Firing blanks

 

[Butler1000]

Michigan is a unique situation. But even there, there are multiple factors as to why people cast their votes. Blaming the loss in Michigan all because the single issue of Gaza is a stretch. But to claim that the whole election was lost because of Gaza in unfathomable. In this Gallup Poll Gaza/Hamas/Israel is not even mentioned. Terrorism is mentioned but that's a much, wider topic than the Gazan war.

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Absolutely claiming it's the sole reason is ridiculous.

But I consider it one of the three pillars of the growing isolationism trend.

Anti war, anti immigration, anti free trade.

I don't think you can separate these issues in the overall mindset of the Trump voter. It is in fact a cohesive ideology that pundits don't want to acknowledge because it goes against the present western world group think. It is a throwback to the 1920's leading up to the 1930's.

Take a step back Shack. Don't just dismiss it out of hand but run it through a logic train. Go see what they are saying.

I know the very last thing you want is to have to admit that something you believe so passionately about was a contributing factor to the Trump win. But it seriously looks like it was. As a part of a greater whole Macro ideology that has risen up since 2008.

 

[shack]

Absolutely claiming it's the sole reason is ridiculous.

But I consider it one of the three pillars of the growing isolationism trend.

Anti war, anti immigration, anti free trade.

I don't think you can separate these issues in the overall mindset of the Trump voter. It is in fact a cohesive ideology that pundits don't want to acknowledge because it goes against the present western world group think. It is a throwback to the 1920's leading up to the 1930's.

Take a step back Shack. Don't just dismiss it out of hand but run it through a logic train. Go see what they are saying.

I know the very last thing you want is to have to admit that something you believe so passionately about was a contributing factor to the Trump win. But it seriously looks like it was. As a part of a greater whole Macro ideology that has risen up since 2008.

Thanks for your thoughtful and respectful post. I'm not as hardline as I appear. I'm actually a very reasonable guy. It's just that there are certain posts and disingenuous posters that I find offensive.

 

[Klatuu]

Thanks for your thoughtful and respectful post. I'm not as hardline as I appear. I'm actually a very reasonable guy. It's just that there are certain posts and disingenuous posters that I find offensive.

Self deception is a core component of Ziontology.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm not saying that it was impossible. I'm simply asking for some statistical verification of his claims. Otherwise it is nothing more than speculation.

Check the numbers for the youth vote, Muslim voters and those who backed Abandon Harris.

Opinion | Democrats Ignored Gaza and Brought Down Their Party

The war in the Middle East has become this era’s most important progressive cause.

www.nytimes.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1852049212608819286

 

[Frankfooter]

You have not produced one example of where I support killing children. I support eliminating Hamas.

You support the killing of every child in Palestine then blame the victims of the genocide for the genocide.
Not once have you said its wrong to kill Palestinian children.

Israel's bombs, destruction of health care and campaign of starvation are killing the children of Gaza, not Hamas.
Blaming Hamas is your own personal rationale you use to justify killing children the way the nazis used to blame Jews, Roma and LGB TQ.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1855082702661198135

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1855010569914335310

IPC Famine Review Committee Alert Gaza Strip (Published on 8 November 2024) - occupied Palestinian territory

Analysis in English on occupied Palestinian territory about Agriculture, Food and Nutrition and more; published on 8 Nov 2024 by IPC

reliefweb.int

 

[Frankfooter]

You have not produced one example of where I support killing children. I support eliminating Hamas.

You support eliminating Palestinians and don't differentiate between civilians or militants.
To you, killing women and children is the goal of 'eliminating Hamas'.
That is why when you see this chart you don't reflect with horror, you do a little happy dance.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1855082702661198135

 

[Frankfooter]

You have not produced one example of where I support killing children. I support eliminating Hamas.

Post one example where you said it is wrong that 12,000 children have died under Israeli bombs.
Prove that you don't support killing children by saying it.

Here's one case that should be easy for you.
Israelis shot 5 year old Hind Rajab 355 times and killed the ambulance workers who tried to rescue her after Israel killed her parents and trapped her in a car.
There is a wiki page, an AI recreation of the killing and multiple sources.

Say whether you think Israel was wrong to shoot this kid 355 times and see if you can answer without using the word 'Hamas'.
This is your chance to prove that you don't back killing children.

Killing of Hind Rajab - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1845253118633627808

 

[Frankfooter]

Harris put trump in office because of her support of genocide.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856013386997256486

 

[shack]

You support the killing of every child in Palestine

Prove it.

 

[Klatuu]

Prove it.

Deflection

 

[Frankfooter]

Prove it.

I already did.
You refuse to denounce the killing of any one of the 20,000 children Israel has killed.
Every single time.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1855926326105960770

 

[basketcase]

And now Franky wants to blame Arabs for trump winning.

 

[bver_hunter]

Well, I wonder whether the Muslims did the right thing by even having a mayor endorsing Trump. Obviously, Trump played the bait and switch card to them, by appointing of all people Mike Huckabee as the Ambassador to Israel. Especially, after this is what Huckabee has said in the past:

"There's no such thing as an occupation," Huckabee said in a 2017 interview with CNN, in which he referred to the West Bank by its biblical names, Judea and Samaria.

Then Trump stated that Huckabee will do this:

Trump's announcement of the nomination drew immediate praise from senior Israeli officials, but is likely to be panned by Palestinians, whose nationalist cause Huckabee has denigrated in the past.

"He loves Israel, and the people of Israel, and likewise, the people of Israel love him. Mike will work tirelessly to bring about Peace in the Middle East!" Trump said in a statement.

More about Huckabee:

Huckabee has criticized President Joe Biden for pressuring Israel to moderate its conduct of the Gaza war and has opposed the current Democratic administration's calls for a ceasefire there.

"If a person is pro-Israel, how can you be pro-Biden? Because the Biden administration has made it very clear they will make concessions to Hamas," Huckabee said in an interview in March on NewsNation.

Huckabee, who has led evangelical tours to Israel for years, has been a supporter of Israeli settlement-building in the West Bank, which Palestinians want as part of an independent state that would include the Gaza Strip.

Most of the international community views as the settlements illegal. Israel has occupied the West Bank since the 1967 Middle East war.

 

[Frankfooter]

And now Franky wants to blame Arabs for trump winning.

You always go straight to racism.

Harris lost because of the youth vote, the Muslim vote and the Abandon Harris crowd that wouldn't cross the red line of voting for genocide.
But of course you want to blame 'the Arabs'.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856328579434312092

 

[Frankfooter]

Well, I wonder whether the Muslims did the right thing by even having a mayor endorsing Trump. Obviously, Trump played the bait and switch card to them, by appointing of all people Mike Huckabee as the Ambassador to Israel. Especially, after this is what Huckabee has said in the past:



Then Trump stated that Huckabee will do this:



More about Huckabee:

AIPAC bought the dems and GOP, really the choice was between the perceived 100% hitler of trump and the 99% hitler of Harris and their support of genocide.
In that case the 100% hitler side always wins as there will always be people who refuse to vote for a hitler of any kind.

You realize that anyone who backed Harris can no longer say that they hate trump because he broke the law.
Once you decide that genocide is ok you lose all moral high ground.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854687175742243201

 

[shack]

You support eliminating Palestinians and don't differentiate between civilians or militants.
To you, killing women and children is the goal of 'eliminating Hamas'.

Prove where I specifically stated that those were my positions.

 

[shack]

I already did.
You refuse to denounce the killing of any one of the 20,000 children Israel has killed.

You have refused to state that all Israeli Jews should not be driven into the sea. By your logic, that means that you believe all Israel Jews should be driven into the sea, which is a call for genocide.

Your arguments are so facile, a 10 year old could outdebate you.

 

[Frankfooter]

Prove where I specifically stated that those were my positions.

Here is where you called the genocide, with 70% of those killed being women and children, 'pretty fucking smart'.

Seeing as Israel's suffering is miniscule compared to that of the Palis (as you've incessantly complained about) it seems like it was pretty fucking smart.