Support of Israeli genocide costs Harris and the dems the election

Klatuu

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How is that anti-Semitic?

As you continue to tell us that all Israeli Jews are Zionists.

That is anti-Semitic.
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Except for the peace treaties signed by Israel with Jordan and Egypt. The the negotiated and pending one with Saudi Arabia that was temporarily derailed by October 7th.

Israel does want to increase its land share absolutely. For both security and prosperity. I hold no illusions there. But it will also Essentially end with Gaza, the West Bank and the Gokan Heights. That is a crapload of area to develop. Literally a century's worth.

And those peace deals by the way we're brokered by the USA.

The Palestinians are the poor decision makers of the Arab World. Repeated failed attempts at wars with Israel. They turned Jordan against them with Terror activities on their soil and coup attempt in the 70's(look up the plane highjackings). Then they allied with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt that saw Terror activities there, as well as the Assassination of Anwar Sadat, for the peace deal. Supported Saddam Hussains invasion of Kuwait and were forced out there. Notice no one will let them in now in the region.

Then the big sin of allying with Shia Iran. The Sunni Muslims are at war with them. It's not spoken of much. Doing that effectively made them pariahs.

As well the USA allies in the region see the economic benefits of a hybrid Westernization of their nation's and are slowly bringing the populations along.

Basically Iran is using the Palestinians as useful tools to rile up the Arab in the Street. They don't hive a shit about them and want the deaths for propaganda purposes. Its been ongoing since the Iranian revolution.

In my opinion due to 75 years of bloody violence, and two peoples who cannot reconcile things, the following is true. There will not be a one state solution, or a two state solution. Just a winner, and a loser. It will take time, but it's inevitable that the Palestinians will be assimilated or pushed out, mostly into North East Africa, with a further dispora writ small into western nations, or killed. It will take decades, but it's going to happen.

And the borders I mentioned will stabilize, with the added comment that if Lebanon can get its act together govt wise, that border will stabilize as well.
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Klatuu

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As to "fighting" about it Michael Moore said it best when he said he won't lay blame at Muslim Americans feet for not voting for the Dems. It's their family members being killed and to ask for pragmatism is ridiculous. So yes voting, or not voting on this is not pointless for some. It does send a message.

What's interesting is the theory that Bibi will stop when Trump is in office and this was purposeful. It echoes what happened in 1980 with Reagan, and the Iranian Hostages.


Being the World policeman means the body cams footage is now available. So it does affect elections.
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I have posted the facts and opinions from a variety of sources displaying that Israel and the US are allies. Nothing cut and paste about it. You can deny them if you wish but facts are facts.

The US is looking after their own interests. There is nothing more complicated than that.
Repeating a wiki post that also says that that relationship is screwed is hardly a solid argument, Shazi.

All zionism can offer the world is racist hate and 19th century colonial settler genocide.

 

Frankfooter

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That will not be a fruitful conversation here 😅, I prob shouldn’t have even said what I did say but I’m at the bounds of perceived neutrality now and won’t step over that line
Of course it won't be fruitful, but hopefully entertaining.
I'm a left winger but enjoying your views.
 

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But Trump is even more pro Israel. In any case the US is Israels bitch.
Trump also said he was talking with Netanyahu daily and working with him to make sure there was no ceasefire to kill Harris' election.
He also said he wants it ended before he takes office.

He's a bullshitter but really, short of nuking Gaza there isn't much that trump could do that would be worse than the last year.

 

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Repeating a wiki post that also says that that relationship is screwed is hardly a solid argument, Shazi.
You could not refute anything in that wiki article. Only shoot the messenger.

No comment on that statement from the US Department of State?

And what are the credentials of that cheap looking cite that eats up more of TERB's bandwidth.

I use US State Department sources and Reuters and you use "I'll jizz on ya" and pollsters who really want to be gamers.
 

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You could not refute anything in that wiki article. Only shoot the messenger.

No comment on that statement from the US Department of State?

And what are the credentials of that cheap looking cite that eats up more of TERB's bandwidth.

I use US State Department sources and Reuters and you use "I'll jizz on ya" and pollsters who really want to be gamers.
Israel just cost Harris the election, Shazi.
Your genocide gave the world 4 more years of rump.
You think the combo of genocide and rump are going to be good for the US?


 
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Of course it won't be fruitful, but hopefully entertaining.
I'm a left winger but enjoying your views.
Haha, thanks! I think I should give it a bit of a rest on the forum, I’ve been trying to tech detox but the elections and the Indians made me manic 😂. I need to touch grass hit the gym and stop being terminally online.

I’ll come fight with everyone again some other time I am excited about something LMAO
 

shack

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Israel just cost Harris the election, Shazi.
Your genocide gave the world 4 more years of rump.
You think the combo of genocide and rump are going to be good for the US?
You have yet to display one shred of evidence that the war in Gaza cost even a single electoral college vote to switch from Dems to GOP.

Come back when you have actual proof.
 
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