Anti-Zionism’s Soviet Roots

basketcase

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And the 5 million Palestinian refugees awaiting their Right of Return to be honoured.
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There is no "right of return" for people who's ancestors lived somewhere. I could apply to immigrate to Ireland but the fact by great-greats fled during the famine doesn't give me any rights. There are also 5 million Israeli Jews who were chased out of their Arab homes or the parents/grandparents were. The only difference is that Israel went through great hardship to integrate those Jewish refugees while Arab leaders left the Palestinians as pawn, reliant on western aid.

And UN resolutions only apply in the context of a peace deal which Palestinian leaders keep rejecting the concept of.
 

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You really think the way Canada treats our indigenous is the same as the way Israel treats Palestinians?
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Actual genocide. Theft of land that is still going on. Cultural genocide through residential schools. Systemic discrimination. Lower levels of funding and support.

Aren't those the things you claim to oppose? But you feel too elitist to consider yourself a colonial settler and there's no Jews to blame so you're happy to continue the genocide of the Indigenous.
 

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There is no "right of return" for people who's ancestors lived somewhere.
So no Jewish person has a right to claim Palestine as a their own by your rules.
You just argued that all settlers have no rights to be in Palestine.

Well done.

Next step is saying you have finally agreed to support international law and call for the end of the occupation, apartheid and genocide.

 
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Find the post from Lemkin or the UN saying Canada is committing genocide right now and you have an argument.
Find the resolutions from the UNGA stating that Israel is committing genocide or apartheid as they did with resolution #1761 condemning S. African apartheid.
 

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So no Jewish person has a right to claim Palestine as a their own by your rules.
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After the UN created a state of Israel, Israel has the same right as any country to establish immigration rules as anyone else. When the Palestinians ever negotiate a Two State peace, they can establish whatever immigration rules they want (and the rules they and Jordan have expressly bans Jews - you know, religious apartheid).

But that doesn't change the fact that descendants of refugees have no "right" to become citizens where their ancestors lived. in a peace deal, the actual refugees should be allowed to either become Israelis if they want (they overwhelmingly don't). Olmert's offer had that all included as well as compensation for those who don't want to become Israeli but you and Abbas reject any negotiation that involves Israel's continued existence.


But thanks for admitting you think Jews don't have any business being there.
 

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After the UN created a state of Israel, Israel has the same right as any country to establish immigration rules as anyone else.
Then by your definition Israel has no right to any of Palestine defined by partition and must end the illegal occupation of Palestine.
You just declared Palestine has the same rights to exist as Israel does.
 

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shack said:
Find the resolutions from the UNGA stating that Israel is committing genocide or apartheid as they did with resolution #1761 condemning S. African apartheid.



No. That says nothing about the genocide or apartheid that you keep accusing Israel of.

Your lies about Israel are hate speech.
You quote the UN then declare quoting the UN is hate speech.
You have reached new levels of stupidity.

 

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Then by your definition Israel has no right to any of Palestine defined by partition and must end the illegal occupation of Palestine.
You just declared Palestine has the same rights to exist as Israel does.
1) Jordan (and Egypt) stole the Palestinian state, but you are incapable of blaming Arabs for their choices.
2) Yes, Palestine should exist and as the UN says, that can only happen through negotiations based on the '67 lines and when Palestinian leadership give up their desire to wipe out the Jewish presence.
3) I notice you completely ignored the uncomfortable facts about refugees and right of return.
 

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1) Jordan (and Egypt) stole the Palestinian state, but you are incapable of blaming Arabs for their choices.
2) Yes, Palestine should exist and as the UN says, that can only happen through negotiations based on the '67 lines and when Palestinian leadership give up their desire to wipe out the Jewish presence.
3) I notice you completely ignored the uncomfortable facts about refugees and right of return.
1) No, zionists wiped Palestine off the maps. Not Palestinians or anyone else.
2) The only resolution that says Israel should exist is partition, there is no reason why anything more than that should be negotiated. Taking any land would be a war crime like you arguing Putin gets to negotiate for which parts of Ukraine he gets to keep.
3) The uncomfortable facts are that Israel has been ordered to allow the 5 million Palestinians to return or to pay just restitution.

You just think Israel is above the law.

 
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