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JohnLarue

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Youre not too bright when Ive been nothing but pro Canadian.
since when does my intelligence depend on your actions
moron

look
China has been interfering in Canadian elections
unless you are brain dead you have to know the evil slime doing this are perceived as traitors and the very worse criminals by Canadians
if you don't understand this there is something very wrong
Chinese disinformation >> same objective, no difference


Acting like you are the sole source of approved information when plenty of educated Asian Canadians who grew up in Canada while having seen both cultures in depth understand US/China relations much more than you - to think the US isnt threatened by China is akin to having Liberal level IQ.
look stupid you post something so ridiculous it could only be
1. stupid beyond description or
2. intentionally trying to spread disinformation

no country diddles with their domestic cost of borrowing to screw over another country
not by increasing, nor by decreasing interest rates
it is an astounding ridiculous concept


yet you claimed the US is trying to screw over poor China by raising interest rates ?????? WTF

your "I had a typo" there is a missing 'Not' i meant lowering rate " routine was just as ridiculous

when one lie is followed by another lie, i know i am dealing with ... a liar and an untrustworthy person

Now buzz off junior.
listen
do not address me again
do not quote me
stay away from me
 

drewstar

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since when does my intelligence depend on your actions
moron

look
China has been interfering in Canadian elections
unless you are brain dead you have to know the evil slime doing this are perceived as traitors and the very worse criminals by Canadians
if you don't understand this there is something very wrong
Chinese disinformation >> same objective, no difference




look stupid you post something so ridiculous it could only be
1. stupid beyond description or
2. intentionally trying to spread disinformation

no country diddles with their domestic cost of borrowing to screw over another country
not by increasing, nor by decreasing interest rates
it is an astounding ridiculous concept


yet you claimed the US is trying to screw over poor China by raising interest rates ?????? WTF

your "I had a typo" there is a missing 'Not' i meant lowering rate " routine was just as ridiculous

when one lie is followed by another lie, i know i am dealing with ... a liar and an untrustworthy person



listen
do not address me again
do not quote me
stay away from me
Il address whatever I feel like addressing, you dont run this forum fool.

Just look at your unhinged responses, I got my popcorn ready just to see you predictably lose it like an unhinged liberal.

News flash, if you cant take it dont dish out insults like theyre going out of style.

This has nothing to do with foreign interference its a completely separate discussion.

You have outed yourself as a Chinaphobe quite literally.

And countries absolutely enact policies to suppress rival countries, get out of your bubble itll do you some good.

Imagine thinking Im some China spy because I call a spade a spade when I just got my MAGA and F Trudeau hats lol.

Try enrolling in some counselling sessions, itll help with all that intellectual superiority mindset of yours.
 

JohnLarue

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Sorry for not responding sooner.

Having an opinion that a group like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has a bias towards expanding the labor pool by any means of immigration is not a conspiracy theory. The USCOC represents employers and is a major lobbyist.

You can disagree with my perspective, but I'm not spreading innuendo of secret machinations to influence Washington.

it is very naïve for anyone to think any govt department is free from bias and cleaner than grannies nightie
stunningly naive in fact as the departments leadership are appointed by ......... politicians
politicians who owe and grant favours , politicians in the US spend a massive amount of time 'gaining support" which is really gathering campaign donations and trading favours... to aid them in their "law making decisions"
pretending appointments within the bureaucracy are not used as trading cards is so naive

look no further than the EPA or NASA who got stacked with climate change fanatics
that does not happen by accident .......(Al Gore)

seriously, they are quite open about stacking the Supreme court but would not dare stack the EPA or the department of commerce?
very naive
 
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JohnLarue

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Il address whatever I feel like addressing, you dont run this forum fool.

Just look at your unhinged responses, I got my popcorn ready just to see you predictably lose it like an unhinged liberal.

News flash, if you cant take it dont dish out insults like theyre going out of style.

This has nothing to do with foreign interference its a completely separate discussion.

You have outed yourself as a Chinaphobe quite literally.

Try enrolling in some counselling sessions, itll help with all that intellectual superiority mindset of yours.
you liked what i posted and clicked the like button many times
yet after i catch you spreading misinformation my response suddenly become unhinged????
you are just babbling more bullshit

your not very bright
now get lost
 
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mandrill

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I was disappointed with the storming of the Capitol.

It was so flaccid. They just like walked in so dispassionately. Then left. They could’ve done something cooler like steal some documents or some shit 🤣
They pooped in the hallways and smeared poop on the walls.

It gets no cooler than hate-pooping. :poop:
 

WyattEarp

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They pooped in the hallways and smeared poop on the walls.

It gets no cooler than hate-pooping. :poop:
They literally took a giant, steaming coup in the hallway.
 
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it is very naïve for anyone to think any govt department is free from bias and cleaner than grannies nightie
stunningly naive in fact as the departments leadership are appointed by ......... politicians
politicians who owe and grant favours , politicians in the US spend a massive amount of time 'gaining support" which is really gathering campaign donations and trading favours... to aid them in their "law making decisions"
pretending appointments within the bureaucracy are not used as trading cards is so naive

look no further than the EPA or NASA who got stacked with climate change fanatics
that does not happen by accident

seriously, they are quite open about stacking the Supreme court but would not dare stack the EPA or the department of commerce?
very naive
JL, you might have read into this that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is a branch of the government. The USCOC is a private organization that represents employers. My take is they are nothing but biased. That's their job.
 

JohnLarue

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JL, you might have read into this that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is a branch of the government. The USCOC is a private organization that represents employers. My take is they are nothing but biased. That's their job.
i stand corrected
i thought it was a branch of the US government
U.S. Chamber of Commerce..... sounds so.... govt like

damn , dead wrong for the third time this year, .........good thing its November
the fourth time if you include my AI mix up yesterday

hold on
i mistook the United States Department of Commerce for the the U.S. Chamber of Commerce
so technically not dead wrong

3 & 1/2 times then and the "damn" gets downgraded to a "darn it"

the stacking of govt departments still occurs though

thank you for pointing out my mistake in a polite manner
some would have viciously attacked me for that ... payback is a bitch
 
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WyattEarp

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As a native Hong Konger, China is most certainly not a developing nation. The infrastructure there absolutely crushes what we have in North America and Europe. The one child policy is also no longer enforced, most in the west are unaware of this.
China is an economic miracle. However, it needs far more growth to provide Western standards of living to a broader population across more of the country. The inevitable decline in population will be a drag on domestic demand. It's inevitable because the trends are baked in twenty years hence.

Sinophiles generally have a deep-seated belief in Beijing's ability to manage growth and navigate through downturns. The heavy investment/export phase is the easiest phase. It's a well-worn path followed by many industrializing countries. It's also generally easier for autocratic or oligarchic societies to implement. The first step is for the government to encourage investment and modern management techniques by liberalizing aspects of the economy in order to kick-start growth. Then the government continually reinforces a strong feedback loop between domestic profits and capital intensity (build-up). The government retains control of certain sectors and directly/indirectly subsidizes producers and capital investment at the expense of domestic consumption.

China is now facing its first great post-industrialization challenge. Economic theory suggests strong central government planning cannot effectively steer the economy through the next phase. The theory supports the view that the economy has to become more democratized. That's the sticky point because further liberalization of the economy would ultimately conflict with Beijing's power and authority.

China is a great economic story. One might even believe that China's unique form of economic development is truly extraordinary. However, I can tell you the unrelenting growth could not continue indefinitely without a bump. China has hit a rocky patch. Beijing has very difficult choices to make.

US increased their interest rates in an attempt to screw over China this year, even at the expense of their own ppl. For lack of a better term, US needs China needs more than China needs them with trading as an example.
I'm not sure I follow the U.S. interest rate conspiracy. If anything, China earns a greater return on U.S. If you are saying the Fed's money printing in 2020-2022 was good for China, I probably would agree with that. I would not say it was good for the U.S. and its people to continue with a loose monetary policy.

Generally, trading relations are mutually beneficial. (There are instances where smaller countries trade for goods and commodities that they can't produce in scale and absolutely need.) China needs U.S. demand to run its economy. For structural reasons noted above, they have been unsuccessful in stimulating domestic demand. For obvious reasons, people mistakenly get lost in the banker/borrow analogy. It's far more complicated.
 
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WyattEarp

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i thought it was a branch of the US government
U.S. Chamber of Commerce..... sounds so.... govt like
I think that's what they are shooting for from an image perspective. The USCOC wants to appear to be above economic special interests.
 

JohnLarue

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Of course you are never wrong.
....According to you.
you have some serious comprehension problems

does this appear as a claim of I am never wrong?

damn , dead wrong for the third time this year, .........good thing its November
the fourth time if you include my AI mix up yesterday
it was in the same post you just quoted !!!!

look, everyone gets things wrong, it human nature
I immediately accept responsibility for a mistake

logic does not lie
the United States Department of Commerce is not the U.S. Chamber of Commerce
so i fess up, right is right and wrong is wrong

you on the other hand refuse to accept logic when it is inconvenient
i.e illegal immigrants are not criminals in your strange world despite you knowing that they broke the law
the definition of a criminal is someone who broke the law
you know you are wrong but refuse to admit it

it is so easy to dismiss criticism from someone who is not honest with himself
shew away now
 

drewstar

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China is an economic miracle. However, it needs far more growth to provide Western standards of living to a broader population across more of the country. The inevitable decline in population will be a drag on domestic demand. It's inevitable because the trends are baked in twenty years hence.

Sinophiles generally have a deep-seated belief in Beijing's ability to manage growth and navigate through downturns. The heavy investment/export phase is the easiest phase. It's a well-worn path followed by many industrializing countries. It's also generally easier for autocratic or oligarchic societies to implement. The first step is for the government to encourage investment and modern management techniques by liberalizing aspects of the economy in order to kick-start growth. Then the government continually reinforces a strong feedback loop between domestic profits and capital intensity (build-up). The government retains control of certain sectors and directly/indirectly subsidizes producers and capital investment at the expense of domestic consumption.

China is now facing its first great post-industrialization challenge. Economic theory suggests a strong central government cannot steer the economy through the next phase. The theory supports the view that the economy has to become more democratized. That's the sticky point because further liberalizing the economy would ultimately conflict with Beijing's power and authority.

China is a great economic story. One might even believe that China's unique form of economic development is truly extraordinary. However, I can tell you the unrelenting growth could not continue indefinitely without a bump. China has hit a rocky patch. Beijing has very difficult choices to make.



I'm not sure I follow the U.S. interest rate conspiracy. If anything, China earns a greater return on U.S. If you are saying the Fed's money printing in 2020-2022 was good for China, I probably would agree with that. I would not say it was good for the U.S. to continue with a loose monetary policy.

Generally, trading relations are mutually beneficial. (There are instances where smaller countries trade for goods and commodities that they can't produce in scale and absolutely need.) China needs U.S. demand to run its economy. For structural reasons noted above, they have been unsuccessful in stimulating domestic demand. For obvious reasons, people mistakenly get lost in the banker/borrow analogy. It's far more complicated.
Thank you for the fair and productive response rather than resorting to personal attacks.

My premise is this, and it is shared by many Asians who grew up here in Canada and the US.

The US raised interest rates to screw over China along with the rest of the world. The playbook for the US is as follows. Raise their interest rates, foreign money will flow into the US because its better investment. The exchange rate will be bad for businesses in China because it means they required to pay more local currency for the same amount of USD.

What this will result is that the local business can't keep up their operations, and will go bankrupt. When that happens, Wall Street will buy up those businesses, and properties, and land. Because now they will be paying less USD to get the same local currency.

Wall Street will buy up business in China. Then US will decrease their interest rate make exchange rate more favourable. And allow China business to recover. When that happens, their purchase of those China businesses will soar in value, and they will sell it back out for profit. Or they will keep owning them and milk the dividends. They did this in 2008 to help with Leiman bro bankruptcy. They tried to do this in 1998 or 1999 HK stock market, altho that was more Soros.

And they tried to tank China economy again in 2019 by inciting HK riot. And once again, in 2020 when covid hit. However, China has been able to defend against this playbook. By buying US money and debts. So when US increased their interest rate China used their stash of USD instead of going through exchange rate. So this just became a matter of who can last longer, US tanking their own economy by increasing the interest rate or China running out of USD first.

But this recent set of events has already resulted in a lot of German businesses going bankrupt as a bonus. The main target is China because the US cannot influence their economy unlike everyone else’s. They want stuff like china's high speed rail, seaports to go bankrupt. But China dumped massive amount of money to ensure that won't happen. German government on the otherhand, isn't going to bail out their own shit. This is what they did to Japan when Japan was second in GDP and threatening to get close to US GDP maybe like 20 years ago?

Even all the foreign interferenc rhetoric by Canada is driven primarily from a US centric POV. China doesn't care enough about Canada to interfere with its election. There are Chinese spies here, sure, but have enough influence to impact election? China is far from that. China is more like... work with me and I guarantee you will make money. That's how Russia isn't tanking after all the sanctions. Their supermarkets are now filled with Chinese products.

Bottom line. China isn't putting all their eggs into one basket that the US can easily influence. This theory will not be seen anywhere in western media, but then again China is very much a mystery to those who have never travelled there before.

The US absolutely views China as an economic threat.

EDIT: 3 factors make the US the worlds number 1 superpower: USD, US military, and US media. So, yes, absolutely economic threat, but moreover, it's the fact that all 3 of US weapons are not working in China. They can't bankrupt China the way they did to Japan. China will never buy US weapons. And China blocks us media basically. That's why Biden has more than once said, China is the greatest enemy that US has faced because China is taking on US on all fronts. US has zero influence on China relatively speaking. And worst of all, more and more Chinese are no longer buying into that US democracy is the best system on world, unlike what the Soviet union did.
 
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