The 2024 US Presidential election

silentkisser

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you should worry about how you present yourself

an uncompromising ideologue who cant think for yourself is not a flattering profile
Justin Trudeau has made a god awful mess and he is both stupid and corrupt. This is non-controversial or deniable when stacked against the facts
yet you will defend him right up to the fast approaching end or you constantly deflect for the same reason
an uncompromising ideologue does not have any credibility
its not a pretty picture

btw
I do not present myself as an intellectual
I just call them as i see them.
The fact I am right far more often than wrong and that bothers you, well, ......... that is your problem (one of many problems).
OK buddy. I'm not the one who spews right wing bull shit without pause of a second thought. And, please tell me how I defend Trudeau to my last breath? I have slammed him for his stupidity. Yet, I am able to recognize some of the good things he's done. I'm not so ideologically blinded by that like you. I hated Harper, but I can still praise him where he did good things (like helping guide Canada through the 2007 financial crisis). So, keep swinging and missing. It is amusing.
 

silentkisser

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Prophesizing?
He did a lot when he was in office before and has a better team around him now with full control of the house and senate so sabotaging him like last time won't work.
Let him govern. Don't worry about how he looks or speaks.
OK....what did he do? Can you tell me three things he helped pass through congress? I can only think of his tax cut bill....the one that is now seeing middle class people paying more, while the rich still get a break....
 
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silentkisser

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It is not giving Trump the benefit of doubt. People
already get used to the BS spewed by politicians. Many
people who voted Trump don't find him likeable. I am sure
more than a few of those working with him find him a
bizarre character.

Seriously do you really believe those who voted Trump
would be upset if it turns out he is unable to end the
war in Ukraine within 24 hours of inauguartion? I think
his supporters will be satisfied by Trump sending Zelensky
back to Europe in his next visit empty-handed.
No, I don't think they would be upset, because they are in a cult. They do not criticize him for the stupid shit he says, nor believe anything that is bad about him. They always find excuses. Just like you. "Oh, yeah, many who voted for him don't like him and don't expect him to do what he says..."
 
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silentkisser

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you do not get
the American voters were faced with two bad choices
Trump - bad personality (means -spirited, nasty, verdictive)
Harris- a blithering idiot with really bad policy

Bad personality you can ignore
Bad policy (particularly inflation driving money printing) impacts peoples lives directly

The us voter experienced the bad policy for several years and did not want a repeat

its time to wake up to reality, your fail ideology does not work, has been reject in the US and will be reject in Canada (the sooner the better)
For someone who says I am rigid in my ideology or whatever bullshit you spew, you constantly regurgitate right-wing bull shit. Harris is a blithering idiot with bad policies, yet Trump is only mean spirtited and I assume you mean vindictive.

You want to slam Harris but ignore Trump's record as President. His stupid policies helped lead the US to inflation during Covid. He caused the national debt to balloon to levels no Democrat has even come close to matching (well, in peace-time). If he enacts his policies as he said it on the campaign trail, prices are going to skyrocket due to the lack of cheap labour to pick fruit/vegetables or work construction.

You are so blinded by your ideology that Harris has to be an idiot, despite the fact that she was a successful lawyer and politician before this race. The right needs to stomp down on uppity women who don't know their place, and you sure as fuck toe that line. It is amazing to me that you think Trump is not a blithering idiot, despite all the evidence showing that. He has more business failures than any "successful" businessman. If he put his inheritence from his dad into an indexed fund, he would've been a billionaire and not had to lie about it for so many years.

And, to be frank, the GOP has a long history of shitting the economic bed and requiring the Democrats to come in and clean up their mess. On a state level, the vast majority of the poorest and least educated states are run by the GOP. Is that by design? The lowest economic activity also happens to be in these poor states, which also get so much federal money....

So...I think I can safely say that your ideology, while victorious due to populism, is the one that has a long history of driving the US economy and its people into a fucking ditch.

Will history repeat itself? Probably in four years....
 

Phil C. McNasty

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oil&gas

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Ghawar
No, I don't think they would be upset, because they are in a cult. They do not criticize him for the stupid shit he says, nor believe anything that is bad about him. They always find excuses. Just like you. "Oh, yeah, many who voted for him don't like him and don't expect him to do what he says..."
With Ukraine they will be upset if it turns out Trump continue
giving away money to Zelensky every time he visits.

Voters could base their decision on how pleasant the
words of whom they vote for are to their ears.Some people
might vote for Trudeau on his promise of balancing budget.
People who believe in climate change would likely vote
Biden on his promise of net zero. If carbon emission level
and crude oil drilling and production under Biden are
higher than Trump it apparently matters little.

So far it looks likely those who voted Trump on his stance
on the Ukraine war will likely be satisfied. I will be surprised
if Trump will send Ukraine aid at volumes anywhere near
what Zelensky has been receiving after aid delivered by Biden
dries up.
 

richaceg

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Another stupid Lib loses her shit.
Damn, these people are so predictable

They have a meltdown then come to their senses...unfortunately not most of them come to their sense...
 

bver_hunter

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Forget Trump. Do you think the Ukraine war should be brought to an end soon? I think it's clear it's currently a stagnate, grinding war that now favors Russia. The U.S. and Western European powers are not going to let the Ukrainians lob long-range missiles deep into Russia.

With that in mind, I would advise the Biden Administration to start negotiating a cease fire and peace settlement. There's no reason they can't make overtures between now and January. I think they should have been pushing for this all year.
Do you think that Putin will call an end to his "Special Mission" if he does not accomplish what he started, especially after that "His Story" lesson to the rest of the world about Ukraine and their relevance to Russia?

All The Western Nations including NATO made it crystal clear that Ukraine would not be admitted to NATO and they of course wanted Russia to withdraw from Ukraine. Putin would still not have anything to do with it. Remember that Heads of State like Macron and even Xi tried to get some sort of a peace agreement, that Russia refused unless they had a right to annex the whole of the Donbas and neighbouring regions. Obviously, Zelenskyy and Ukraine want the Russians to totally withdraw from their territory. Do you see any sort of a solution?

But in your Universe, will Trump accomplish his promise of an end to this war in "24 hours"?
 

bver_hunter

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Before the vote counting mysteriously paused for the evening, Biden was way behind. Figure it out.
The California and Democrat leaning States votes that were late in being revealed gave Biden a thumping win over Trump. Biden was never "way behind", as from what I gather the early votes had Trump in front, but Biden catching up and zipping pass Trump subsequently, that even Fox reported it and conceded at that time. What is there to figure out especially if all the investigations were thoroughly followed, and the over 60 Court cases including the Supreme Court that Trump lost? This Conspiracy Theory that even Trump's own VP called Pence did not buy it, yet it floats around the extreme right wing media, that will not give it a rest.......SHEESH!!
 

bver_hunter

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You should seek psychological help for your Harper obsession.
Again you just cannot comprehend that this was in context to the following Wyatt's statement:

- This is a back-handed slap at Canada because Canadian growth has stagnated the last ten-fifteen years.
So Skoob who was in power in Canada in the past ten to fifteen years? Of course now go back into the crevice that crawled out of, as you always do catch the bull by the tail!!
Otherwise you are just a Harper ass kisser!!
 

oil&gas

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But in your Universe, will Trump accomplish his promise of an end to this war in "24 hours"?
No, definitely not. Promise to end the war in 24 hr is
Trump's usual BS. He will however deliver results that
should please his supporters more than ending
the war. He will find ways for the U.S. to profit from
a perpetual conflict between Russia and Ukraine plus
NATO-Europe. A likely outcome will see NATO-Europe
end up spending more money to buy U.S. weapons and
LNG imports to keep hostility alive into extended future.
Trump is a businessman not a humanitarian. He won't
give a rat's ass over further loss of lives on the battle field.
 

DesRicardo

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Another stupid Lib loses her shit.
Damn, these people are so predictable

Reminds me of this recent CNN clip. You can't even state your feelings or stance without these people blowing up.

Then they wonder why they lose.

 

Skoob

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The California and Democrat leaning States votes that were late in being revealed gave Biden a thumping win over Trump. Biden was never "way behind", as from what I gather the early votes had Trump in front, but Biden catching up and zipping pass Trump subsequently, that even Fox reported it and conceded at that time. What is there to figure out especially if all the investigations were thoroughly followed, and the over 60 Court cases including the Supreme Court that Trump lost? This Conspiracy Theory that even Trump's own VP called Pence did not buy it, yet it floats around the extreme right wing media, that will not give it a rest.......SHEESH!!
Says an incessant Trump hate-poster that uses the term "will not give it a rest"! Haha that's funny.

Tell me...why have the Democrats pushed no ID for voting?
 

bver_hunter

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Beav, you're cherry picking information again. Sometimes you're even trying to pick cherries off of a peach tree.
Wyatt, you are the one that is cherry picking and not me. You slammed the State of California in the first place. I was just giving you the true stats of the California Economy and how it has exceeded the growth of the Federal and other States that you cannot accept. What is wrong with California that makes it a pariah? I have worked there on a contract and had a great time prior to Covid-19. Got a good deal and loved my brief time there. There is so much to admire in that state, but of course you probably pick on just the conns!!

I'm not sure why you are touting Democrat Gray Davis. He was recalled by voters. He served as CA Governor when President Bush was President. While I think your hunt to connect any economic gains to liberals around the world is silly, it's easy to say the U.S. President is far more important to the economy than individual State Governors. Isn't Trudeau's leadership more important to Toronto's economy than Doug Ford's? Anyway, Gray Davis was demonstrably unpopular as he was not allowed to serve out his term.
But remember that Gray was the one to find and return $1.8 Billion to California Citizens including forgotten bank accounts etc. Student fees became more affordable, and to this day many of his accomplishments like reducing carbon emission, getting clean water etc are still revered. He was removed from office after being blamed for the Electricity crisis.
However, it is hilarious now that you give George Bush and The Republicans for the credit, especially as Bush screwed up the US economy with his stupid war on Iraq. He was the one to plunge the USA into a recession!!

Now you're saying this Republican (Schwarzenegger) is different than other Republicans. So now you're cherry-picking Republicans too. You're the one making the California economy a team sport of California Democrats vs. California Republicans. No, you don't get to choose all the Democrats and select whichever Republicans you need to force fit your narrative.


Wyatt again what is your beef about California when it has an economy that is far bigger than any other State? But you brought up Arnold, and he was the one to have given birth to his maid's baby when he cheated on his wife!!

However, he is the one to endorse the Biden and Harris in the last two elections as he disagrees with where the country is heading with Trump in office. He also condemned the jan 6th Insurrection that Trump called a day of "Love". In his POV Trump is the one who is the most extremist of the candidates!!

I'm not sure why you're still discussing Stephen Harper today. I'm sorry only a chronic cheerleader would ignore the crash in oil prices in 2014/15 and oil's relative importance to Canada. Anyway, ten years is a long, long time and it is far long enough for Trudeau's leadership to deal with the structural economic malaise.

We can all see you attribute any economic gains to liberal leadership and any economic stagnation/recession that occurs under liberals' leadership to conservatives. It's just too bad Trudeau after ten years has not figured out how to deliver on your magic formula.


Did you forget when you criticized
Canada's economy from "ten to fifteen years"? Do the math of 15 years ago. It is from 2009. So who was in power then? Maybe now you get it........ROTFLMAO!! But did you forget that we also had a very severe pandemic starting over 4 years ago when the economies of all provinces had to shut down for extended periods of time? again you are just cherry picking on one side!!

Lastly, I do not criticize California's economy. I generally criticize California's policies that interfere with freedoms. I criticize their extreme focus on equity. I criticize California's approach to law enforcement and lax prosecution of crime. It's now also a very expensive place to live even in rural regions of the State. As I always say, I prefer to focus on individual policies rather than on sweeping partisan generalizations.
What freedoms is California guilty of, especially when you compare it to other US States where a woman has restricted rights to her own body and becomes a criminal if she wants to have an abortion after being raped , or due to incest? The doctors even get prosecuted for performing the procedure especially if her life is also on the line. California is more expensive than other states, but the people are well paid. They get many benefits like child, school meals, education that is one of the reason that they have some of the nations best Universities. There is Hollywood and the Silicon Valley. Say no more!!
 
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