The 2024 US Presidential election

squeezer

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Suggesting someone shoot the "fake news reporters"

He has lost his mind.

Trump Does UNTHINKABLE ACT **AGAIN** at Closing Speech

He doubles down that people "do not leave his debates early".....yup, dementia is setting in.
 
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Valcazar

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I think the take right now that the pollsters are weighing things to either, what the payer wants to hear, or, I'm going to keep things within the margin of error so I can't be called wrong and keep getting paid, are pretty bang on.

Nate Silver recently called them all out.

And I think I prefer Sneer quotes. Feel free to use that.
I often call them "sarc quotes" as well, because that's often how I use them.

So you aren't against weighting, you just think the current crop of polls are specifically weighting to get answers their clients want to hear and not weighting to try and get better results.
Fair enough.
 
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This is hilarious and a must-watch. The cameraman at a Trump rally goes rogue and fact checks Lying Trump in real time. It's hilarious!!!

GO TO 5:20 to go straight to the fact-checking


Watch Trump REACT to being FACT CHECKED TO HIS FACE

 
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squeezer

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Although I don't agree with much of what Ben Shapiro has to say he has become less annoying as he's maturing.

Ben Shapiro | Club Random with Bill Maher

 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Even Oregon and Colorado might be coming into play.
I dont think Trump will win OR, but he might win CO



 
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WyattEarp

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Ann Selzer has called every presidential and senate race correctly in Iowa since 2008.
Now MAGA is crying foul because her last pre-election poll shows Harris up by 3.
Because it's essentially been easy to predict Iowa's Presidential and Senate votes.

We will see if Seltzer's right, but it's unusual for one pollster to pick up things that others do not. If she's wrong, it could be one of two things in my opinion. Seltzer's poll picked up a lot of the "shy" Trump voters as they say. Or she deliberately put her thumb on the scale. We'll never know the latter as she would likely claim to be thrown off by the "shy" Trump voters.
 
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WyattEarp

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Nate Silver recently called them all out.
I'm sincerely curious. Do you know where I can find Silver discussing polls that kind of jigger with their results?

There are subtle ways to skew a poll ever so slightly. You simply change the composition of the voter pool. You want to move the needle a bit for Harris you start your polling selection with a few percentage more women. The pollster then states that they think the female turnout will be higher. Inversely, you do the opposite to skew towards Trump.

The consistently tight poll results one after another from a large body of pollsters has been called out as very unlikely by some. One wonders if many of the pollsters are deliberately trying to stay with the herd.

We will have the answer to the question of the accuracy of the polls tomorrow.
 
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Valcazar

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I'm sincerely curious. Do you know where I can find Silver discussing polls that kind of jigger with their results?
https://www.reddit.com/r/fivethirtyeight/comments/1ggpqqi
Silver's become a bit of a crank, but his overall point that we appear to be seeing herding seems sound.
There just isn't enough variance in the polls we are seeing released.

There are subtle ways to skew a poll ever so slightly. You simply change the composition of the voter pool. You want to move the needle a bit for Harris you start your polling selection with a few percentage more women. The pollster then states that they think the female turnout will be higher. Inversely, you do the opposite to skew towards Trump.
Or you fuck with the weighting in ways that aren't justified. (You don't adjust the selection pool itself.)
Amounts to the same thing.

Or you just don't release polls you don't want to release.

As I posted in one thread or another, Trump is quite convinced the polls he pays for just tell him what he wants to hear (according to his interview with Rogan) and that polls showing that he isn't winning are illegal and the people who make them should be arrested. (According to his stump speeches.)

The consistently tight poll results one after another from a large body of pollsters has been called out as very unlikely by some. One wonders if many of the pollsters are deliberately trying to stay with the herd.
This was Silver's argument (and not his alone).
If your polls aren't outliers, people won't be mad if you miss things by the same amount as everyone else.
 
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