Trudeau harming relations between India and Canada?
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Why should I not bring over here, all the hypocrisy by the Indian Government? But you are the one designating all those protesting for a Khalistan free state as "terrorists". In India they are not allowed to voice their actual views on Khalistan as it is illegal.
I am sure that Governments both Liberal and Conservative would not interfere with our Justice System that would have repatriated those who actually performed any acts of terrorism to India if the real evidence was provided. Those who did so on Canadian soil or International waters were brought to Justice in Canada!!
Government cites anti-India acts, extends ban on pro-Khalistan SFJ for another 5 years | India News - Times of India
India News: NEW DELHI: Centre has declared pro-Khalistan outfit Sikhs For Justice (SFJ) as an 'unlawful association' for a further period of five years, citing it.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Does Canada that had acts of terrorism by Quebec Separatists ban the organizations that want a Separate Quebec State? On the contrary we had a referendum and every single persons voices were heard!! But if you have the evidence of these Canadians committing acts of terrorism, then provide it to our RCMP. They will hear your voice. However when The RCMP state that these 6 Diplomats are responsible for the Killing of Nijjar Singh, as well as the extortion and threats against Canadian citizens then I believe them over the denials by the dishonest Modi Govt. The RCMP have the real evidence!!
Interesting how "Roddy" mentions Sexual Relations before Criminal History in his list.
Still taking these seriously?
Silent Kisser was actually kind to you in his last comment, like a fond, indulgent parent who tries gently to correct your foolishness.
But they don't arrange murders, do they?
And when they do, they have to be turfed out.
But they can't lay charges, can they?
Because:
1. Diplomatic immunity.
2. State security.
So those charges may never happen. And in that case you will say: "I don't trust my own state security service because I like saying mean things about Trudeau."
Pretty much your take, right?
You are still being naive.
The Indian government or their policies is not a Canadian citizen's concern.
They can do whatever they want in their country.
A Canadian citizen indulging in cross border violence on the other hand is terrorism.
These Khalistanis are not just posting social media memes.
They're forming militant groups and physically harming Canadians through gun running, crime in Canada.
In India they kill politicians, army officials and police officers.
That is illegal per Canada, per India and amounts to terrorism.
These people should have their citizenship revoked and they should be deported back to India.
We should not be harbouring "Canadians" who seek to destabilize and hurt a foreign nation and bring their mess to Canada.
Their mess in turn causes possible foreign interference that hurts all Canadians.
This is why we need to be picky on who we allow in.
They wont.
History has proven that.
India provided evidence and warnings in 1985 against the Khalistanis.
CSIS is on record admitting they ignored it. I read about that yesterday.
Result was 300+ dead Canadians.
So we have a culture of not treating intel from India seriously while slacking.
On top of this RCMP apart from saying they have strong evidence has done nothing with their evidence.
So guess who comes across as more decisive in all this? Not Canada.
A Canadian citizen cannot be an Indian separatist.
As I explained, a separatist wants to separate from their country of citizenship and form a new entity.
If you are not a citizen and if you are going to use a foreign nation as your base to conduct cross border campaigns, then it is terrorism.
You are threatening the territorial integrity of a foreign state and India is 100% right in being upset about this.
Trudeau should stop sucking up to criminals, terrorists and militants and deport these fuckers.
Let me understand this, a government can commit - hypothetically - genocide and "it's not our concern"?
We may not be able to do anything about it, but it's "our concern". Just ask Frankie....
All of which might be quite true.
But the Indian government cannot murder people it doesn't like here in Canada. It's a crime. And it's a massive breach of international law and diplomatic protocol.
You posted that the balfour declaration created a state.Silent Kisser was actually kind to you in his last comment, like a fond, indulgent parent who tries gently to correct your foolishness.
You posted Gaza was not fully destroyed.
Foolish would be an understatement to describe the drivel you post.
Huh?!?!?!....
So all of those Canadian citizens who have some kind of beef from their home countries - Ukrainians, Palestinians, Israelis, Serbs, Venezuelans, etc - aren't really Canadian citizens?
Where did you get this novel concept?
So then have the common sense to not announce these things publicly.
"trust me bro" isn't going to cut it.
We just look foolish.
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Let me help you with the details.
The Balfour Declaration didn't "create a state". The League of Nations Mandate for Palestine created Palestine as a British protectorate. The British then put into effect a policy that Jews could immigrate to the new state.
Mandate for Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
And no, Gaza is not fully destroyed. And what's even sillier is that you have no idea what's intact or not since your only source of info is 5 second videos of the battle damaged areas.
Security services around the world do the "trust me, bro" thing.
How else are they going to explain diplomatic expulsions??
What does genocide have to do with Indian government domestic policies?
To my knowledge no genocide is being committed.
Yes, a foreign government cannot kill people here.
But did they?
What evidence has been presented for that?
They said the Indian government employed the services of criminal gangs to do their dirty work.
Have any of these criminal gangs been charged?
It was used as a hypothetical example.
We can do another hypothetical if it helps you follow my point. Should Canada have no policy at all on the Iranian government's practice of blinding or throwing acid in the faces of those internal dissidents who protest Iran's policies??
IMO, Canada should damn well have a policy about that kind of shit!!
Once you become a Canadian citizen and renounce your original country's citizenship you cannot be a separatist.
You have already separated!
If after that you use Canada as a base to engage in cross border campaigns then that is terrorism.
I read Indians dont get dual citizenship.
Consulate General of India, Toronto, Canada : General Information
www.cgitoronto.gov.in
Now all this Indian Home Minister called "Amit Shah" who has very close ties with Modi has been linked with all these activities on foreign soil including Canada:
'Amit Shah Authorised Attacks' in Canada, Washington Post Cites Canadian Officials As Alleging
Retired Indian diplomats have expressed surprise at the possibility of a cabinet minister getting involved in 'operational matters'. On its part, the Canadian side seems even more sure of its case than before with Trudeau now speaking of "clear and compelling evidence".
Canadian officials have told the Indian government that “conversations and texts among Indian diplomats” ordered out of the country yesterday “include references” to Union home minister Amit Shah and a senior official in the Research and Analysis Wing in India “who have authorised… intelligence-gathering missions and attacks on Sikh separatists,” in Canada, the Washington Post reported late last night.
This information was conveyed in a hitherto unpublicised meeting between top Canadian security and foreign ministry officials and Indian national security adviser Ajit Doval in Singapore on October 12.
An earlier version of the Washington Post story did not name the minister and spoke only of the involvement of a “senior official in India”. But in a subsequent update, the newspaper identified Shah as the official concerned based on more detailed inputs from its sources.
The nature of these “references” is not known, nor indeed their accuracy, and it is likely that Canadian investigators sought to interrogate the Indian diplomats in order to gather more information about the participation of individuals whose names had cropped up in intercepted communications. India rejected the Canadian request for their diplomatic immunity to be lifted, triggering yesterday’s expulsion of six diplomats including the Indian high commissioner.
While neither the ministries of External Affairs or Home Affairs have responded to the Washington Poststory and the Canadian charge of Shah’s involvement, retired Indian diplomats that The Wire spoke to expressed surprise at the possibility of a cabinet minister getting involved in ‘operational matters’, that too overseas.
A former chief of an intelligence agency also told The Wire that Shah’s official domain did not include engaging in the kind of actions the Canadians are suggesting he did.
This is not the first time Shah has been accused of involvement in extra-judicial violence. A decade ago, the Central Bureau of Investigation had charged him – as home minister of Gujarat – with being part of the conspiracy to kill Sohrabudddin, his wife Kauser Bi and associate Tulsiram Prajapati in fake police encounters. He was eventually discharged by the trial court soon after Narendra Modi became prime minister and the CBI chose not too appeal.
On its part, the Canadian side seems even more sure of its case than ever before with Trudeau now speaking of “clear and compelling evidence” in the possession of the police “that agents of the Government of India have engaged in and continue to engage in activities that pose a significant threat to public safety, including clandestine information gathering techniques, coercive behaviour targeting South Asian Canadians, and involvement in over a dozen threatening and violent acts, including murder.”
In September 2023, when Trudeau first went public with the charge of Indian involvement in the murder of Khalistan activist Hardeep Singh Nijjar, he had spoken only of “credible intelligence”.
Since then, the Canadian police has likely gathered a lot more evidence, presumably with the cooperation of the United States, which has also claimed to have unearthed an assassination plot linked to the Indian government targeting a New York-based Khalistan advocate. Indeed, Trudeau made a pointed reference to that plot in his remarks to the media in Canada on October 14:
“I believe that India has made a monumental mistake by choosing to use their diplomats and organised crime to attack Canadians, to make them feel unsafe here at (their) home, and even more, to create acts of violence and even murder. It’s unacceptable.
“From the beginning, as of last summer, we’ve worked closely with our Five Eyes partners, particularly with the United States, where they have gone through a similar pattern of behaviour from India in regards to an attempted extrajudicial killing.”
Nikhil Gupta, the Indian national named in a federal indictment in New York last year, is currently in custody in the US awaiting trial for the attempted murder of Gurpatwant Singh Pannun. The indictment also mentioned the alleged role of an Indian government official – identified only as ‘CC1’ but subsequently named as Vikram Yadav by the Washington Post – in the attempted murder plot. According to the Hindustan Times, the Indian government has informed the US that Yadav has been dismissed from government service and is currently under arrest. Based on the information mentioned in the indictment, Yadav was earlier with the Central Reserve Police Force before being seconded into RAW. No details are available about when he was arrested and on what charge.
Retired Indian intelligence officials say it is highly unlikely that Yadav or any other person within RAW could have acted on their own. In any case, the US indictment mentions a video call in which other officials “in business attire” were present during an online meeting between Gupta and the ‘contract killer’ tasked with killing Pannun – who was actually an undercover FBI agent.
The RCMP has accused the Indian government of outsourcing the targeting of Sikhs in Canada to the Lawrence Bishnoi gang. Bishnoi is currently being held in jail in Gujarat but is reportedly running his operations from there without let or hindrance.
Even though Bishnoi is wanted for murder in states like Punjab and Maharashtra, the Union ministry of affairs – Shah’s ministry – has issued an order that he cannot be shifted from Sabarmati jail in Ahmedabad to other states for questioning. The MHA invoked a little known and little used rule under the Criminal Procedure Code last year to ensure Bishnoi would remain in custody in Gujarat and has recently renewed its order for another year.
In March 2023, he was able to give a television interview despite being in police custody (in Punjab at the time), in which he said, “I am not anti-national. I am a nationalist. I am against Khalistan. I am against Pakistan.”
Reconstructing the timeline of the past week, this is how recent events have unfolded:
thewire.in
CASE CLOSED!!
'Amit Shah Authorised Attacks' in Canada, Washington Post Cites Canadian Officials As Alleging
Retired Indian diplomats have expressed surprise at the possibility of a cabinet minister getting involved in 'operational matters'. On its part, the Canadian side seems even more sure of its case than before with Trudeau now speaking of "clear and compelling evidence".
Canadian officials have told the Indian government that “conversations and texts among Indian diplomats” ordered out of the country yesterday “include references” to Union home minister Amit Shah and a senior official in the Research and Analysis Wing in India “who have authorised… intelligence-gathering missions and attacks on Sikh separatists,” in Canada, the Washington Post reported late last night.
This information was conveyed in a hitherto unpublicised meeting between top Canadian security and foreign ministry officials and Indian national security adviser Ajit Doval in Singapore on October 12.
An earlier version of the Washington Post story did not name the minister and spoke only of the involvement of a “senior official in India”. But in a subsequent update, the newspaper identified Shah as the official concerned based on more detailed inputs from its sources.
The nature of these “references” is not known, nor indeed their accuracy, and it is likely that Canadian investigators sought to interrogate the Indian diplomats in order to gather more information about the participation of individuals whose names had cropped up in intercepted communications. India rejected the Canadian request for their diplomatic immunity to be lifted, triggering yesterday’s expulsion of six diplomats including the Indian high commissioner.
While neither the ministries of External Affairs or Home Affairs have responded to the Washington Poststory and the Canadian charge of Shah’s involvement, retired Indian diplomats that The Wire spoke to expressed surprise at the possibility of a cabinet minister getting involved in ‘operational matters’, that too overseas.
A former chief of an intelligence agency also told The Wire that Shah’s official domain did not include engaging in the kind of actions the Canadians are suggesting he did.
This is not the first time Shah has been accused of involvement in extra-judicial violence. A decade ago, the Central Bureau of Investigation had charged him – as home minister of Gujarat – with being part of the conspiracy to kill Sohrabudddin, his wife Kauser Bi and associate Tulsiram Prajapati in fake police encounters. He was eventually discharged by the trial court soon after Narendra Modi became prime minister and the CBI chose not too appeal.
On its part, the Canadian side seems even more sure of its case than ever before with Trudeau now speaking of “clear and compelling evidence” in the possession of the police “that agents of the Government of India have engaged in and continue to engage in activities that pose a significant threat to public safety, including clandestine information gathering techniques, coercive behaviour targeting South Asian Canadians, and involvement in over a dozen threatening and violent acts, including murder.”
In September 2023, when Trudeau first went public with the charge of Indian involvement in the murder of Khalistan activist Hardeep Singh Nijjar, he had spoken only of “credible intelligence”.
Since then, the Canadian police has likely gathered a lot more evidence, presumably with the cooperation of the United States, which has also claimed to have unearthed an assassination plot linked to the Indian government targeting a New York-based Khalistan advocate. Indeed, Trudeau made a pointed reference to that plot in his remarks to the media in Canada on October 14:
“I believe that India has made a monumental mistake by choosing to use their diplomats and organised crime to attack Canadians, to make them feel unsafe here at (their) home, and even more, to create acts of violence and even murder. It’s unacceptable.
“From the beginning, as of last summer, we’ve worked closely with our Five Eyes partners, particularly with the United States, where they have gone through a similar pattern of behaviour from India in regards to an attempted extrajudicial killing.”
Nikhil Gupta, the Indian national named in a federal indictment in New York last year, is currently in custody in the US awaiting trial for the attempted murder of Gurpatwant Singh Pannun. The indictment also mentioned the alleged role of an Indian government official – identified only as ‘CC1’ but subsequently named as Vikram Yadav by the Washington Post – in the attempted murder plot. According to the Hindustan Times, the Indian government has informed the US that Yadav has been dismissed from government service and is currently under arrest. Based on the information mentioned in the indictment, Yadav was earlier with the Central Reserve Police Force before being seconded into RAW. No details are available about when he was arrested and on what charge.
Retired Indian intelligence officials say it is highly unlikely that Yadav or any other person within RAW could have acted on their own. In any case, the US indictment mentions a video call in which other officials “in business attire” were present during an online meeting between Gupta and the ‘contract killer’ tasked with killing Pannun – who was actually an undercover FBI agent.
The RCMP has accused the Indian government of outsourcing the targeting of Sikhs in Canada to the Lawrence Bishnoi gang. Bishnoi is currently being held in jail in Gujarat but is reportedly running his operations from there without let or hindrance.
Even though Bishnoi is wanted for murder in states like Punjab and Maharashtra, the Union ministry of affairs – Shah’s ministry – has issued an order that he cannot be shifted from Sabarmati jail in Ahmedabad to other states for questioning. The MHA invoked a little known and little used rule under the Criminal Procedure Code last year to ensure Bishnoi would remain in custody in Gujarat and has recently renewed its order for another year.
In March 2023, he was able to give a television interview despite being in police custody (in Punjab at the time), in which he said, “I am not anti-national. I am a nationalist. I am against Khalistan. I am against Pakistan.”
Reconstructing the timeline of the past week, this is how recent events have unfolded:
- October 10: Prime Minister Modi and Prime Minister Trudeau exchange brief words in Vientianne, on the sidelines of the Asean summit. Trudeau says he told Modi, “I emphasized that there is work that we need to do… I won’t go into details about what we talked about, but what I’ve said many times is that the safety of Canadians and upholding the rule of law is one of the fundamental responsibilities of any Canadian government, and that’s what I’ll stay focused on.” The Indian sidedenied there had been any substantive discussion.
- October 12: Canadian officials meet NSA Doval in Singapore and present what they said was evidence of Indian involvement in Nijjar’s killing and other acts of violence targeting the Sikh community in Canada. Canadian officials say they shared information about Amit Shah’s involvementand that Doval made clear that India “would deny any link to the Nijjar murder and any link to any other violence in Canada no matter what the evidence was.”
- October 13: The Canadian government informs India that six of its diplomats are persons of interest and that that their diplomatic immunity be lifted so that they can be questioned by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).
- October 14: India rejects the Canadian request and issues a public statement denouncing Trudeau and calling the Canadian allegations of Indian involvement “preposterous”.
- October 14: Canada declares the six Indian diplomats persona non grata and orders them to leave. India says it withdrawing the diplomats for their own safety and also orders the expulsion of six Canadian diplomats.
- October 14: The RCMP chief holds a press conference in Ottawa where he accuses the Indian government of using the services of the Lawrence Bishnoi criminal gang to conduct killings in Canada.
'Amit Shah Authorised Attacks' in Canada, Washington Post Cites Canadian Officials As Alleging
Retired Indian diplomats have expressed surprise at the possibility of a cabinet minister getting involved in 'operational matters'. On its part, the Canadian side seems even more sure of its case than before with Trudeau now speaking of
thewire.in
CASE CLOSED!!
