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Israel’s War on the World

oil&gas

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Try and get at least 1 or 2 basic facts correct in your endless gobble and spew of Kremlin propaganda.
Here is one not-so-basic fact I get; that is the Soviet Union supported the
state of Israel back in 1947. Uncle Joe is one of those who should be hold
responsible for its deadly consequences.
 

Klatuu

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''A false belief of global persecution'' ?.....Jews have been persecuted wherever they have been throughout history.

You deny this?
Let’s be honest. If Israel is the victim after killing 42,000 Palestinian, including 15,000 children, while undertaking a genocide and ethnic cleansing, I’m beginning to look at the history of “persecution “ with a much more critical eye. And those Palestinian death numbers are likely grossly understated.
 

Frankfooter

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Let’s be honest. If Israel is the victim after killing 42,000 Palestinian, including 15,000 children, while undertaking a genocide and ethnic cleansing, I’m beginning to look at the history of “persecution “ with a much more critical eye. And those Palestinian death numbers are likely grossly understated.
Apparently Israel is the victim here too.


 
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The Oracle

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Let’s be honest. If Israel is the victim after killing 42,000 Palestinian, including 15,000 children, while undertaking a genocide and ethnic cleansing, I’m beginning to look at the history of “persecution “ with a much more critical eye. And those Palestinian death numbers are likely grossly understated.
The blind side...
 

WyattEarp

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The jews didn't create enemies...maybe tell the extremists not to open a can of worms....Israel is one giant hornets nest the Arabs will keep poking it to oblivion...
Many of the Arab countries have decided to move on, seek peace and economic development.

And of course, Iranians aren't Arabs. Iran is a country that is 1,000 miles away from Israel. It's also a country that has a hard-on for other Muslim countries.
 

WyattEarp

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Are you under the elitist impression that the Middle East was a paradise before the US got involved?
Unfortunately, it's part of the neverending anti-Western theme on colonialism.

It doesn't take a degree in history to know most of the Middle East were colonial vassals of the Ottoman Empire.
 
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nottyboi

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What a piece of BS and anti-Israel and anti-West propaganda.

In reality Israel is fighting the war for the West, against Islamist Iran and Iran’s vassals.


LOL. UNIFIL’s instalment in southern Lebanon whole purpose was to ensure there is no Hizballah in that area. Instead, prostitute UNIFIL collaborated with Hizballah and did nothing when they built terror tunnels and stockpiled weapons under their nose. Not even reported it.

Further, according to the rules, UN peacekeepers don’t participate in warfare and must withdraw when the involved parties enter a military conflict again. That’s what they did in the past in such situations. They were even officially asked to, by Israel. But they did not remove themselves. Can’t complain now.

The UN and their numerous agencies is a corrupt, discredited, anti-west piece of crap run by third world countries. We def should stop finding it.
That is rubbish. Hamas is not an Iranian proxy, its actually funded by Qatar and is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Iran only supports because they are anti-Israel. They actually fought Iran in Syria. Hezbollah and the Houthis are very close allies of Iran. Hezbollah becuase of their affinity to Syria, and Syria is also a strong Iranian ally.
 

Uwauwa

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That is rubbish. Hamas is not an Iranian proxy, its actually funded by Qatar and is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Iran only supports because they are anti-Israel. They actually fought Iran in Syria. Hezbollah and the Houthis are very close allies of Iran. Hezbollah becuase of their affinity to Syria, and Syria is also a strong Iranian ally.
Agree Qatar is a terror sponsor.
 

southpaw

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Is that the reason why it is prudent to create more enemies outside
their world for them to take on? I gather 9/11 attack and the Arab oil
embargo are worth the thrill of partaking in the Middle East conflicts.
Exactly. The pro-israel crowds argument is that the Arabs are a bunch of hornets.

Let's assume that's true. Why should the West stir up a hornet's nest?
 

Frankfooter

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The blind side...
The real numbers are likely closer to 200,000.
100,000 of those are children.

Now Israel has announced they are implementing the General's Plan, to ethnically cleanse North Gaza and steal that land for settlers.

You are blind.



 

Frankfooter

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Many of the Arab countries have decided to move on, seek peace and economic development.

And of course, Iranians aren't Arabs. Iran is a country that is 1,000 miles away from Israel. It's also a country that has a hard-on for other Muslim countries.
No, Israel has lost every 'ally' they had in the middle east.
Zionism is so toxic that even MBS has disavowed working with them.


 

PeteOsborne

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That is rubbish. Hamas is not an Iranian proxy, its actually funded by Qatar and is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Iran only supports because they are anti-Israel. They actually fought Iran in Syria. Hezbollah and the Houthis are very close allies of Iran. Hezbollah becuase of their affinity to Syria, and Syria is also a strong Iranian ally.
I believe I would take this guys information on who is funding hamas over your input.

" Robert Greenway has more than 30 years of experience in public service, culminating as the senior US government official responsible for developing, coordinating, and implementing US government policy for all the Middle East and North Africa on the National Security Council. He's a highly decorated veteran of the United States Army Special Forces with six combat tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. Among many, many other achievements, he was instrumental in the defeat of ISIS and a principal architect of the historic Abraham Accords, the most significant diplomatic breakthrough in Middle East Peace since 1994, and he's currently the director of the Center for National Defense at the Heritage Foundation."

In an interview he states:
"They are a wholly owned subsidiary, a franchise of Tehran. They are almost exclusively funded, supported, trained, equipped, and provided the ability to manufacture weapons themselves by Tehran, and they don't act absent direction or control, especially at the scale we saw this weekend, absent Tehran's guidance. And so, it's important to remember here that in this case we're not dealing with just Hamas, we are dealing with the organization that controls Hamas and funds and supports it and that is in Tehran.

Guiney: And when you say Tehran, you're talking about the nation of Iran.

Greenway: The Islamic Republic of Iran, that's correct."
https://www.heritage.org/middle-east/heritage-explains/whos-funding-hamas
 
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richaceg

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I believe I would take this guys information on who is funding hamas over your input.

" Robert Greenway has more than 30 years of experience in public service, culminating as the senior US government official responsible for developing, coordinating, and implementing US government policy for all the Middle East and North Africa on the National Security Council. He's a highly decorated veteran of the United States Army Special Forces with six combat tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. Among many, many other achievements, he was instrumental in the defeat of ISIS and a principal architect of the historic Abraham Accords, the most significant diplomatic breakthrough in Middle East Peace since 1994, and he's currently the director of the Center for National Defense at the Heritage Foundation."

In an interview he states:
"They are a wholly owned subsidiary, a franchise of Tehran. They are almost exclusively funded, supported, trained, equipped, and provided the ability to manufacture weapons themselves by Tehran, and they don't act absent direction or control, especially at the scale we saw this weekend, absent Tehran's guidance. And so, it's important to remember here that in this case we're not dealing with just Hamas, we are dealing with the organization that controls Hamas and funds and supports it and that is in Tehran.

Guiney: And when you say Tehran, you're talking about the nation of Iran.

Greenway: The Islamic Republic of Iran, that's correct."
Nah man...there are a lot of info on twitter that are much reliable...ask Franky.
 

Jubee

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The world would have been a way better place to live in
had Adolf Hitler never come to power. Not only death
and suffering of six million innocent Jews
...and millions of Russians, Poles, Danish, Norwegians, etc.
Russians lost close to 25-30 million, civilian and military.
 

The Oracle

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The real numbers are likely closer to 200,000.
100,000 of those are children.

Now Israel has announced they are implementing the General's Plan, to ethnically cleanse North Gaza and steal that land for settlers.

You are blind.



So Sinwar achieved his objective? Is that what you are declaring?
 
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