Yahya Sinwar reported killed by IDF

whynot888

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I know you don't have the computer skills to do this, Shazi, but just google 'satellite images bombing gaza' and click on images.
Interestingly almost all the photos there are almost a year old yet still show you what carpet bombing looks like.

Only fucking nazis would carpet bomb a concentration camp where 55% of the population are children under 15.





For a concentration camp with school, universities, hospitals, fancy restaurants and shopping malls, seems like they had it good before October 7th. I would also put cinemas in that list as well, but Hamas blown them up and banned it when they took over.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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You almost make it sound like S. Africa was not aware of this when they launched the accusation and was given their original deadline. If they had the evidence in their hand they could have submitted it in hours, if not less. If they didn't have the evidence then it was clearly a false allegation,
Nobody can read minds. The evidence of their intent would be in their actions and results thereof. THAT is impossible to hide from the world.
AKA, "since I can't prove my point let's move on to something else".
I cannot speak for South Africa as the allegations are based on their interpretation of what they think is genocide.
That interpretation does not have to align with the ICJ's.
Not all war crimes are genocide.
So what needs to be determined is if Israeli actions on balance, amounted to lawful and legitimate military operations with justifiable military gains.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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It's been over a year since Hamas attacked, took hostages and continues to fight without surrendering or returning the hostages. What do you expect to happen after a year of war? It was a stupid attack.

Do you not think that a Hamas surrender and return of hostages would be the quickest way to end the devastation?
Absolutely.
I was countering Mandrill's assertion that Gaza was not devastated.
 

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Yes, hopefully one day they overthrow their Israeli oppressors, peacefully, if the world won't stop their genocidal rule.
Not even close, Geno. In France and Russia, the oppressors were their own people. The Gazans own people are Hamas and THEY are the Gazans' oppressors.
 

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You seem to be in denial.
The entirety of Gaza has been reduced to unliveable rubble.
Of everything this is the one uncontroversial conclusion in this war.
I don't agree. Gaza is big.

It would be like Toronto being reduced to rubble. If you look at aerial panoramas, the drone flies over a wrecked neighbourhood, but in the distance are perfectly intact houses.
 
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shack

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I know you don't have the computer skills to do this, Shazi, but just google 'satellite images bombing gaza' and click on images.
Interestingly almost all the photos there are almost a year old yet still show you what carpet bombing looks like.

Only fucking nazis would carpet bomb a concentration camp where 55% of the population are children under 15.
The aftermath is due the length of the conflict and is not proof of carpet bombing. Keep lying. Keep gaslighting.

It is proof that Hamas kept moving their operations from building to building and that Israel targetted each individual building.
 
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shack

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I cannot speak for South Africa as the allegations are based on their interpretation of what they think is genocide.
Do they not use the same definition/interpretation as the UN's, which is what the court's use? It seems dumb if they waver from what has already been established.
 

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Genocide is very hard to prove as intent needs to be proven.
Nobody who is committing genocide is going to make their intent known.
I dont think we should be hung up on that word and Israel will most likely be found not guilty on that.
But it just needs to be a war crime which the ICJ and ICC have to determine.
There are 5 pages of quotes from Israeli leaders in the ICJ and ICC accusations.
Intent was very clear and very well documented.

The intent to commit genocide has been well documented since then as well.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Do they not use the same definition/interpretation as the UN's, which is what the court's use? It seems dumb if they waver from what has already been established.
Yes, but that still needs to be adjudicated based on evidence presented.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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There are 5 pages of quotes from Israeli leaders in the ICJ and ICC accusations.
Intent was very clear and very well documented.

The intent to commit genocide has been well documented since then as well.
If it was that clear the ICJ would have already pronounced Israel guilty.
Many of those quotes seem to be emotional statements from private citizens, with no power to enact a genocide even if they wanted to.
 

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It's been over a year since Hamas attacked, took hostages and continues to fight without surrendering or returning the hostages. What do you expect to happen after a year of war? It was a stupid attack.

Do you not think that a Hamas surrender and return of hostages would be the quickest way to end the devastation?
What did you think would happen after 76 years of illegal occupation and 17 years of illegal blockade and apartheid?

 

xyphy

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I'm getting so exhausted with the back and forth.
Between those of us who support Israel and others that don't, we will never agree on anything.
You've all made things so complicated, can we just do Brass tacks here?
If I assaulted my next door neighbour, took his lawn mower and car, then raped his wife and killed one of his kids and took the others as hostage, I would 100% expect him to come after me.
If after a few weeks of my house being destroyed, my family being killed, even with me hiding the lawn mower in a room in the basement with them and a few relatives inside the car in the garage.
All the neighbours on the street agree with me because we go to the same church and the next door neighbour that I ATTACKED doesn't really get along with them.
All he says to everyone is that if I give back his lawn mower, car and his kids that he would stop everything and help me rebuild.
Why the Heck would I do that?
He's the bad guy. end of story, I am right and everyone else is wrong.
If we break the whole conflict down, regardless of the millennia of history, this is basically what happened.
If you punch the big guy, you get punched back.
end of story.
Bottom line for me and my opinion, give back the hostages, put down your weapons, you've lost. lets get on with rebuilding, restoring and trying to find some sort of middle ground where all people can live in peace.
And you guys all need to grow the eff up. for every news article for Israel, there will be another against.
nobody should be saying anything other than. "I support women, humans and Peace. You do your thing and I'll do mine. Let's stop fighting and just have some common sense."

And now I expect some sort of trolling reprisal......
 

Frankfooter

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If it was that clear the ICJ would have already pronounced Israel guilty.
Many of those quotes seem to be emotional statements from private citizens, with no power to enact a genocide even if they wanted to.
Not at all.
The ICC and ICJ have to go through due diligence and details of an international court.
There were dozens of submissions by countries that each had to be debated and discussed.

Check the list that the ICJ noted on page 2 here:
 
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xyphy

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should have added, can we just get back to what this board is intended for? escort review board....Just saying
 

xyphy

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So you would expect Palestinians to come after you?
What do you do now that the courts told you that you have to give it back?


Hey, I am not going to get into a pissing match with you. I am trying to find the best sp for a DT BBBJ on this forum. You guys need to get your shit together and just move over to reddit or something.
I don't really want to engage with the history of Israel and the geopolitical BS that has been forced on them for thousands of years. like I said, it will just go back and forth with every thing I submit being rebutted by someone else with another tidbit. true or not. You are a perfect example of someone that just won't quit.
If you are so passionate about it, go the Eff to Gaza and fight back to support your side
 
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