Is sugar dating killing the sex industry?

Have you had a sugar baby before?

  • No - never considered it, I'm good with escorts

    Votes: 70 34.3%
  • No - but I'm curious about trying it

    Votes: 77 37.7%
  • Yes - I have one now or had in the past

    Votes: 30 14.7%
  • Yes - but I still see escorts too

    Votes: 27 13.2%

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Cholla

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Sorry, Pay To Play - originally came from the music industry, meaning either paying to play a gig for exposure or outright Payola, but the sex industry adopted it to mean paying for sex :)

Probably those DJs getting comped hookers to play bad '70s records :)
Thank you! As for DJs - it comes with territory! :)
 
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Possibly many women prefer to be sugar babies because they only have to deal with a limited number of people on a regular basis and not a rotation of hundreds. This way they can not meet up with Uncle Bill on the job.
Not impossible though, I've heard a few stories of guys finding girls they know from real life on - these are dating sites in a way.

If I did see someone I recognized, I'd probably block them in case they see me :D
 

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Are you sure?
The Courtesans I thought they were the SW, And the Mistresses would be groomed by the guy at the same time for his future use after he had enough with the Courtesan. I mean you don't expect men back then to stick to one woman Courtesan unless it's his wife for ever do you?

I am sure most men here switch SW per month.
Courtesan is just the name for hookers Before anyone thought it should be illegal to be a hooker.
 

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There is always a chance to be blackmailed by sb's. You just have to do as much due diligence as possible. It's fairly easy in my opinion to tell when an sb is becoming trouble. As a guy you also have to be discreet and not give out too many personal details that might come out to bite you in the assigned later.
Yes, I hear some guys invite girls over to their place first time meeting, I'd be worried about doing that before I've met someone new most of the time.

But I guess if you do outcalls it's just as dangerous if not more so.
 

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I've been off and on Seeking since 2015. I found Sugaring one night after I realized I preferred a more FWB/Casual Dating dynamic vs escorts.


Some of the pros of sugar(at least in the US since escorting is illegal) - Sugar was and still is a legal grey area, at long as you keep your communication on point it would be hard to prosecute for sex crimes. Low volume, sugar babies typically only have time for one relationship so more likely than not you'll get exclusivity. Absolutely no clock watching, if they clock watch then they're not a sugar baby. The typical sugar date for me lasts anywhere from 2 to 4 hours, date+intimacy at typically the same rates as escorts.

Cons: Time investment is waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much compared to setting up an appt with an escort. If I didn't have ADD I don't think I could keep up with the amount of effort that's required to generate a potential sugar match. This alone is enough to question is the pros I listed above is worth it or not. Especially in Canada. Then if you don't follow a specific protocol when setting up a new relationship then you "could" get scammed out of a few hundred but if you do your due diligence then this will never happen.

I would like to add I'm currently seeing one "sugar baby" for a few months now but I'm pretty sure this one is an escort and sees other people which is why I'm ending and in the process of setting up a new relationship.

Hope this helps someone.
 
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I've been off and on Seeking since 2015. I found Sugaring one night after I realized I preferred a more FWB/Casual Dating dynamic vs escorts.


Some of the pros of sugar(at least in the US since escorting is illegal) - Sugar was and still is a legal grey area, at long as you keep your communication on point it would be hard to prosecute for sex crimes. Low volume, sugar babies typically only have time for one relationship so more likely than not you'll get exclusivity. Absolutely no clock watching, if they clock watch then they're not a sugar baby. The typical sugar date for me lasts anywhere from 2 to 4 hours, date+intimacy at typically the same rates as escorts.

Cons: Time investment is waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much compared to setting up an appt with an escort. If I didn't have ADD I don't think I could keep up with the amount of effort that's required to generate a potential sugar match. This alone is enough to question is the pros I listed above is worth it or not. Especially in Canada. Then if you don't follow a specific protocol when setting up a new relationship then you "could" get scammed out of a few hundred but if you do your due diligence then this will never happen.

I would like to add I'm currently seeing one "sugar baby" for a few months now but I'm pretty sure this one is an escort and sees other people which is why I'm ending and in the process of setting up a new relationship.

Hope this helps someone.
Agree with you on some of those things. Yes, if you're looking for a bang-and-go, escorts are the way to go, but most times if you're seeing a sugar date you're spending several hours with her so what might cost you a grand in hooker hours is much more reasonable . I've had some 3-4 hour get together where the "hourly rates" works out less than $100.

There are definitely some on these sites, like Seeking or SDM (I'd avoid Secret Benefits personally), but I don't think there really that many pros on these sites either - why do all the work finding guys on these sites when you could just do a shift at a spa and hopefully make a few hundred in a night?

I've been on SDM myself a few times, there's definitely parts of the year that are more busy than others, you just need to check in every now and then, and activate your membership when you see someone you like :)
 
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Near the end of the month there are usually a few girls looking for some extra cash...

Lana232, 19, Brantford
"looking for a fun caring guy who wants to give me a weekly allowence"

Joy, 19, Caledon (Caribbean)
"Preferably in your 30's! No kids! Looking for someone to talk to and spend time with."

LIlly, 20, Orangeville
"I'm currently in an open relationship...I'm looking for someone who wants something casual and fun!"

Val, 20, Ajax
"mutual respect and agreements is necessary."

Unfortunately my wallet doesn't let me see all of them :(
 
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Near the end of the month there are usually a few girls looking for some extra cash...

Lana232, 19, Brantford
"looking for a fun caring guy who wants to give me a weekly allowence"

Joy, 19, Caledon (Caribbean)
"Preferably in your 30's! No kids! Looking for someone to talk to and spend time with."

LIlly, 20, Orangeville
"I'm currently in an open relationship...I'm looking for someone who wants something casual and fun!"

Val, 20, Ajax
"mutual respect and agreements is necessary."

Unfortunately my wallet doesn't let me see all of them :(
Does SDM use a points system or is it a flat monthly fee like Seeking?
 

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Been talking with a few guys on this and other boards lately about sugar dating as an alternative to escorts.

Personally, I've seen a few from different websites over the years, and it's got to the point where I rarely see escorts anymore, just because I find the experience better.

For married guys, obviously, escorts are easier to fit into your life, but then again, it seems like many successful guys already have some side piece.

I realize this is a forum for guys looking for escorts, but how many guys here have tried sugar dating? If not, what's stopping you?




That's an interesting perspective! It seems like sugar dating can offer a more personal and ongoing connection compared to the more transactional nature of escort services. For married guys, like you said, escorts can be easier to fit into a busy life with more privacy and less emotional attachment. I’ve heard from others who’ve tried both and feel like sugar dating brings more variety and spontaneity. Some may stick to escorts due to convenience, while others might avoid sugar dating because of the time commitment or uncertainty about boundaries. It would be cool to hear from more guys about their experiences and what they think works best for them.
 
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That's an interesting perspective! It seems like sugar dating can offer a more personal and ongoing connection compared to the more transactional nature of escort services. For married guys, like you said, escorts can be easier to fit into a busy life with more privacy and less emotional attachment. I’ve heard from others who’ve tried both and feel like sugar dating brings more variety and spontaneity. Some may stick to escorts due to convenience, while others might avoid sugar dating because of the time commitment or uncertainty about boundaries. It would be cool to hear from more guys about their experiences and what they think works best for them.
 
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That's an interesting perspective! It seems like sugar dating can offer a more personal and ongoing connection compared to the more transactional nature of escort services. For married guys, like you said, escorts can be easier to fit into a busy life with more privacy and less emotional attachment. I’ve heard from others who’ve tried both and feel like sugar dating brings more variety and spontaneity. Some may stick to escorts due to convenience, while others might avoid sugar dating because of the time commitment or uncertainty about boundaries. It would be cool to hear from more guys about their experiences and what they think works best for them.
Big difference for me it’s PPM vs Pay per hour When married and had busy work life. Just easier for me to see escorts. Easy to book and just fuck and go home/back to work.
Now that I’m not married and working part time I got more free time to screen for SBs and like to spend few hours or do overnights with SBs There is more work in finding the right fit and have to learn how to negotiate the arrangement and services but well worth it when SB meets your expectations
 
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Threads like this exist on every John message board, and I am always fascinated by the amount of marketing that is voluntarily done by Sugar Daddies.

I liken it to Crossfit and Southwest Airlines (sorry, an American concept, and their pre-travel meltdown). There is some personality characteristic of guys who like the Sugar system that correlates with a belief that everyone else would like it, also. That is of course helped by the marketing done by Seeking Arrangement itself basically proclaims that the women are not sex workers (presumably therefore, a step above sex workers) and that the men are wealthier and more sophisticated than ordinary Johns. The chance of rejection and being more akin to ordinary dating makes the participants feel they are more “normal” perhaps? As much derision as their is on the board for the U.S. sex work scene makes it interesting that much of the marketing done by Seeking was to set up a defense in case of an investigation by U.S. Federal law enforcement. It is, according to Seeking, merely a dating site. And it is one of the most exposed, so it needed to go heavy on that marketing component, since Seeking did not originally, or even after Fosta/Sesta, relocate abroad.

Sex work is like any other industry. There is not a personal service industry, including medicine, law and accountancy, where the workers are not asked the simply question. You need to generate $500,000 of revenue a year. Would you rather have a few clients paying you a lot each, a bunch of clients paying you quite a bit each, or an absolute shitload of clients paying you a little bit each. The same societal distinctions exist in these industries, by the way. The concierge doctors (sorry, a U.S. concept again) think they are superior to the Immediate Care doctor who is treating a gunshot wound behind one curtain, and waiting for the relaxants to take for the person behind the other curtain who was not aware of the flanged base principle and had the sex toy go all the way up the anus. I am always cognizant of what a young soldier told me once on public transit. He said the Israeli soldiers are the best because the constant fighting keeps them sharp. I suspect the sex worker with the most Johns is the best at giving oral.

I do think a few misconceptions are in order from the posts above. If restaurant dining and/or other public accompaniment is desired, there are a ton of independent escorts who offer that. It is, I suppose, “transactional” in that you are purchasing a six or twelve hour block of time, but the activities will be the same as a Sugar Baby, absent the potential for rejection if it is a first time encounter. Of course, a rational customer would likely purchase a one-hour block with her previously. She will not likely reject either offer, just as the ER or Immediate Care doctor will not decline to remove the sex toy from the anus. She might like some of her customers and experiences better than others, but she gives everyone the same service and attention. She has chosen to either see a bunch of clients paying her quite a bit each, or an absolute shitload of clients paying her a little bit each, just as personal service workers in numerous industries do. In theory, her price for the long time block is higher than the Sugar Baby who is playing the long game. But we all know guys who have left the “escort scene” and pay $20,000 to $30,000 or more to a single Sugar Baby they think they are in love with to support her. Christ, it is almost like alimony.

From the customer perspective, some people value only penis in vagina/mouth/hand/anus time and choose the shortest time blocks possible. Others choose longer time blocks from escorts to have a greater level of conversation along with sex. Personally, I find a declining level of enjoyment as the time block grows too long in length.

I am glad guys who enjoy these long-term arrangements like them. But to answer the marketing-oriented question in the original post of why I don’t do it, the answer is quite simple. Because I have analyzed it, and I don’t like the fundamental premise of it based on my wants and needs. The same way the escorts here on Terb have analyzed it and decided to remain escorts. They aren’t stupid. Most of the escort ladies who are reviewed on Terb are educated, well-traveled, well-read and more computer-literate than the Johns. Every John here knows about the Sugar system, hell they advertise on John message boards. Most Johns aren’t stupid, either. We have decided more enjoyment is obtained for us by seeing more traditional escorts, with each guy choosing the block of time that balances sex and other components of companionship and conversation.
 

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Big difference for me it’s PPM vs Pay per hour When married and had busy work life. Just easier for me to see escorts. Easy to book and just fuck and go home/back to work.
Now that I’m not married and working part time I got more free time to screen for SBs and like to spend few hours or do overnights with SBs There is more work in finding the right fit and have to learn how to negotiate the arrangement and services but well worth it when SB meets your expectations
Sounds like you’ve found a system that works best for your current lifestyle. It’s definitely a different dynamic between PPM and hourly arrangements. SBs do require more time and effort to find the right fit, but if you enjoy building a connection and having longer experiences, it makes sense. Plus, getting to know someone over a longer period can lead to a more rewarding experience when things click. Do you feel like the effort to screen and negotiate is worth it every time, or have there been some misses along the way?
 

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Sounds like you’ve found a system that works best for your current lifestyle. It’s definitely a different dynamic between PPM and hourly arrangements. SBs do require more time and effort to find the right fit, but if you enjoy building a connection and having longer experiences, it makes sense. Plus, getting to know someone over a longer period can lead to a more rewarding experience when things click. Do you feel like the effort to screen and negotiate is worth it every time, or have there been some misses along the way?
Yea there’s a learning curve on how to vet out the pretenders from the real ones and I have had missed along the way but as I get more experience with my screening process my batting average improves
Yea sometimes I struck out but that home run feels so good that I can’t wait to bat again.
 
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When I’m old and loaded I will have a sugar baby for sure lol
Unfortunately, for us older guys the average sugar daddies is only around 40 (according to a study from 2020), so I guess that's an incentive to make even MORE money to compete with the young guys coming up :)

 
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