Is sugar dating killing the sex industry?

[BloweyJoey]

Theres lots of scammers on there, girls just testing the water and hesitant to actually meet up, sps looking for side income. The amount of real sugar daddies that would he able to support a girl's lifestyle is very low, best most girls can do is just supplement their income or have a few guys that make up a regular income.

I've had a few arrangements but I'm quitting for now. It's just a lot of work to even meet up with a girl on there, and I dont like being tied down. Most dont want to just hook up once or twice, they want some consistent income per week. I just get bored easily though. For the right girl I would be exclusive and give them a decent chunk of change per month (I have in the past), but I'm just not in the mood these days. Lots of good sps out there that I have to try out still.

 

[Daddy2021]

Sugaring is really it's own thing. The women on Seeking do not act or behave like escorts. Many of them do not identify as sex workers. They treat sugar dating more like an untraditional relationship, which has its benefits over seeing escorts.

The biggest challenge is that there aren't a lot of attractive women on Seeking. Most are average looking. You can get a gorgeous escort for $400/h without much hassle, but even if you manage to find any on Seeking, they might not respond, might be a scammer, might be a toe-dipper etc. If you very particular, such as seeking out Asian women, than you could be waiting around for a while. When I first started, I met several Asian women immediately in the first couple of weeks. When I came back, it took me months to find someone.

If you manage to connect with someone though, and can afford to meet up regularly, than the experience can be better than anything you can get with a GFE escort.

She gets money and provides sex she is a sex worker period. They are not some special elite class. Whether or not they want to identify as a sex worker is irrelevant. That’s just what they are. One guy or 3 doesn’t change the facts

 

[Sinfulmarv]

She gets money and provides sex she is a sex worker period. They are not some special elite class. Whether or not they want to identify as a sex worker is irrelevant. That’s just what they are. One guy or 3 doesn’t change the facts

The term "sex work" takes on greater meaning than simply money for sex. The term was coined in the 1970s as a way to highlight and recognize sex work as a form of labour that one does to make a livelihood.

Sugar babies rarely identify what they do as a form of labour or work. Not because they see themselves as special, but because they have an entirely different mindset. Therefore, they behave very differently than escorts. But I'm guessing that is lost on you.

 

[jsanchez]

The term "sex work" takes on greater meaning than simply money for sex. The term was coined in the 1970s as a way to highlight and recognize sex work as a form of labour that one does to make a livelihood.

Sugar babies rarely identify what they do as a form of labour or work. Not because they see themselves as special, but because they have an entirely different mindset. Therefore, they behave very differently than escorts. But I'm guessing that is lost on you.

Agreed the mindset is different, they don't see themselves as sex workers (ie. the sb's that are not sp's to begin with)
they wouldn't be caught dead calling themselves sex workers or hookers lol

But take the money (or the sex) out of the equation and the whole SB arrangement collapses,
I call that arrangement sex work with the veneer of dating. It does have its appeal and doesn't carry the same stigma (if you get caught )

 

[RobI]

Sugaring is really it's own thing. The women on Seeking do not act or behave like escorts. Many of them do not identify as sex workers. They treat sugar dating more like an untraditional relationship, which has its benefits over seeing escorts.

The biggest challenge is that there aren't a lot of attractive women on Seeking. Most are average looking. You can get a gorgeous escort for $400/h without much hassle, but even if you manage to find any on Seeking, they might not respond, might be a scammer, might be a toe-dipper etc. If you very particular, such as seeking out Asian women, than you could be waiting around for a while. When I first started, I met several Asian women immediately in the first couple of weeks. When I came back, it took me months to find someone.

If you manage to connect with someone, though and can afford to meet up regularly, than the experience can be better than anything you can get with a GFE escort.

Agree, lots of "experts" seem to say there's no difference between anything that involves men, women and money, and every woman is just a hooker In that case, the experts should stick to what they know best.

All the sites seem to have a lot of normal women, you go on sites like SDM, and it's pretty diverse. You got Asians, whites, Indians, Latinos, black and a lot of mixed girls. But yes, if you're looking for supermodels, that's a hard one, they are the ones who are going to be looking for $500 dates, but that's no different from what a lot of Asian agencies are charging too - except they're charging by the hour.

The time of year matters too, a lot of the girls get active around certain times of the year. Yes, that means the toe-dippers, too, unfortunately,

According to our web stats, the best times are:

• Early November. This could be Black Friday and the whole holiday season. Once December hits, most ladies are probably into Family stuff, so start looking right at the end of October.
• Early September. The period from near the end of August to around September 10th seemed to be popular – it makes sense, being the start of school, and ladies are looking for some extra income.
• April/May. Again school-related, with most exams ending around May, thoughts turn to summer fun and adventures – which might cost money!
• February 11 (a few days before Valentine’s Day). Not sure why. Maybe they are just looking for a bit of romance?

This doesn't mention it, but sometimes the last week of the month is good too (rent due!) or I think January might be busy too once the credit card bills come in.

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[RobI]

I agree but think it may be hurting the SCs.

Strip clubs in Canada are pretty much over, even before Covid. Back in the 2000s, guys used to go to them for service (Hose of Lancaster, Fillmores), while in the US (at least in big cities), it was more for the show.

How many guys have watched porn vs gone to a strip club in the last month?

Is the American strip club dying out?

A once booming industry faces changing attitudes, tightening regulations and a rise in online pornography.

www.bbc.com

Why dancing naked at a bar is a declining profession in Toronto

City politicians are at least partly to blame for the decline of stripping, if blame is the correct word.

nationalpost.com

The end of an age for Toronto's strip clubs

Inflamed land prices and surging condo construction are pushing "gentlemen's clubs" in Toronto toward extinction

www.mpamag.com

 

[RobI]

... It does have its appeal and doesn't carry the same stigma (if you get caught )

That is another point that gets missed too, the number of times I've heard younger women joke about getting a sugar daddy is much, much higher than the times I've overheard a women say they'd like to become a high-paid escort.
Kidding, never heard anyone say that in any context.

There's definitely a difference in how people (at least younger people) treat the two.

 

[RobI]

...Whether or not they want to identify as a sex worker is irrelevant. That’s just what they are. One guy or 3 doesn’t change the facts

Ok, Daddy

 

[RobI]

Theres lots of scammers on there, girls just testing the water and hesitant to actually meet up, sps looking for side income. The amount of real sugar daddies that would he able to support a girl's lifestyle is very low, best most girls can do is just supplement their income or have a few guys that make up a regular income.

I've had a few arrangements but I'm quitting for now. It's just a lot of work to even meet up with a girl on there, and I dont like being tied down. Most dont want to just hook up once or twice, they want some consistent income per week. I just get bored easily though. For the right girl I would be exclusive and give them a decent chunk of change per month (I have in the past), but I'm just not in the mood these days. Lots of good sps out there that I have to try out still.

Yes, there are definitely scammers on there, but they're usually pretty easy to avoid because they're in some sweatshop in Asia or Eastern Europe just running through scripts. Either that or I'm just very attractive to Venezuelan supermodels.

You need to be clear with your expectations though, if you don't want them bugging you a few times a week, let them know early you only want to meet up once a week or two. They have their own lives too, and most of the ones I've met have jobs too. You're helping them out with the extra stuff, not being OSAP with benefits.

Also, don't do allowances until you really want to stay with someone, all mine have started out as per-meeting gifts, and the majority have stayed that way.

 

[superman12]

I have had sugar babies in the past and it was always a fun and intimate experience and would be open to finding one again. Having a sugar baby does cost a lot more so you have to see if it's worth it for you depending on the kind of experience your looking for. If your a guy who is just looking for a quick shot then escorts is probably the better route to go. If your looking for a more intimate gfe type of nsa relationship where you can actually keep in contact with the girl then having a sugar baby is great. I also find that that the legitimate (not scammer) sugar girls are actually a lot more attractive then your average escort you find ads for on here or agency websites.

 

[RobI]

I have had sugar babies in the past and it was always a fun and intimate experience and would be open to finding one again. Having a sugar baby does cost a lot more so you have to see if it's worth it for you depending on the kind of experience your looking for. If your a guy who is just looking for a quick shot then escorts is probably the better route to go. If your looking for a more intimate gfe type of nsa relationship where you can actually keep in contact with the girl then having a sugar baby is great. I also find that that the legitimate (not scammer) sugar girls are actually a lot more attractive then your average escort you find ads for on here or agency websites.

Yes, most of them are at least as attractive as the ones you see on Leo.

 

[oral.com]

Also, don't do allowances until you really want to stay with someone

Even the best sugar relationships seem to implode once you go down the allowance rabbit hole. Never, ever, ever pay upfront. Period. (Yes, I’ve learned the hard way)

 

[RobI]

Even the best sugar relationships seem to implode once you go down the allowance rabbit hole. Never, ever, ever pay upfront. Period. (Yes, I’ve learned the hard way)

Yes, I don't believe in deposits for escorts either for the same reason - no recourse if they don't fulfil their end of the agreement.

For Sugar babies, I can see you giving them a bit of the allowance up front, but only once you've seen them a few times, but definitely not for the first meet and greet.

Most scammers on these sites are thinking of quick cash. Talk to the guy a bit, then get the guy to send them some money by eTransfer.
So much communication is done through text now, so they no longer have to worry about passing for an English-speaking woman.

Once they realise you're not going to send money over the internet to someone you've never even spoken to, you've beaten 80% of the scammers running a scam based on volume and quick turnovers.

 

[Akila Besos]

Don't most people view SB as sort of a more manageable branch of Sex work.

Nothing wrong in the sex work world with having SBs in it because you can find quite a bit of overlapping and intertwining.

When I was fresh outta HS I did that whole SB/SD relationship and for that time period it was fun and enjoyable but definitely not something I could do for long stretches of time. I only really keep in connect with one of the guys still to this day .

Again it's nice for people to have all options in the sex work field

 

[RobI]

Don't most people view SB as sort of a more manageable branch of Sex work.

Nothing wrong in the sex work world with having SBs in it because you can find quite a bit of overlapping and intertwining.

When I was fresh outta HS I did that whole SB/SD relationship and for that time period it was fun and enjoyable but definitely not something I could do for long stretches of time. I only really keep in connect with one of the guys still to this day .

Again it's nice for people to have all options in the sex work field

Not really. If you look at most of the media coverage, most don't seem to view them interchangeably.
There are definitely conservative parts of society who want to make anything that involves women gaining through sex as being part of "the world's oldest profession". Ask some 1970s Feminist and she's probably tell you that marriage is sex work too.

Agree with you that there certainly is overlap. Some ladies move between the two, and some seem to get recruited off these sites, but I don't think the majority is really to make this their full-time job. Most of the ones I've talked to say they work in retail or restaurants, and given that they live at home or with roommates, I don't think they're lying.

I'd separate the two by, where is the majority of your income coming from?
If you're a lawyer who runs triathlons a few times a year for fun, you could call yourself a triathlete, but if lawyering pays the bills so you can be a weekend triathlete, you're probably a lawyer with a hobby.

 

[RobI]

Even the best sugar relationships seem to implode once you go down the allowance rabbit hole. Never, ever, ever pay upfront. Period. (Yes, I’ve learned the hard way)

I think there's a place for allowances, but it's something that has been earned through trust, and that takes a bit of time.

You need to look at it as a relationship, you won't hire a contractor off the internet with no reviews to renovate your whole house. Let them start with few smaller projects.

 

[RobI]

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I wouldn't take his advice on dating.

So have you tried sugar dating? Or sticking with the hookers for now?

 

[Leimonis]

I wouldn't take his advice on dating.

So have you tried sugar dating? Or sticking with the hookers for now?

I’m not limiting myself to any particular modus operandi. Seeking is a lot worse currently than it used to be so I am seeing more SPs than I would want to.

on that note, has anyone tried SDM lately? I checked it out yesterday and there were decent profiles online assuming they were not fake.

 

[RobI]

I’m not limiting myself to any particular modus operandi. Seeking is a lot worse currently than it used to be so I am seeing more SPs than I would want to.

on that note, has anyone tried SDM lately? I checked it out yesterday and there were decent profiles online assuming they were not fake.

Seeking does have more profiles, and more international - good if you're planning to travel to UK, Europe and want some company/tour guide.

SDM does have a bit of a problem with fake accounts. You can usually spot them as they're using the same photos, with different names. But I prefer it to Seeking these days because there are enough younger girl next door for me.
Either site, once you've met with some of them a few times, you might ask if they have any friends. Not all, but a few have friends who are also looking for extra cash...and you've already been vetted.

 

[Leimonis]

Seeking does have more profiles, and more international - good if you're planning to travel to UK, Europe and want some company/tour guide.

SDM does have a bit of a problem with fake accounts. You can usually spot them as they're using the same photos, with different names. But I prefer it to Seeking these days because there are enough younger girl next door for me.
Either site, once you've met with some of them a few times, you might ask if they have any friends. Not all, but a few have friends who are also looking for extra cash...and you've already been vetted.

Interesting. Does SDM ban for money talk like seeking does?