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Leimonis

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Perhaps. Perhaps my debating skills are not as strong as yours. But I am not debating. The discussion is whether the Palestinian identity is valid today. Which it is. Without it we wouldn't have a Israeli Palestinian conflict.
Their identity exists, but it exists in conjunction with the conflict. If israel somehow relocated to Texas and the entire Palestine was left to arabs and if big players like Iran stopped fueling the issue, they would quickly forget their Palestinian identity and started to happily kill each other based on new issues, tribal and religious and whatever else. In fact Hezbollah and Hamas probably would divide the land.
 
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Frankfooter

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Their identity exists with the conflict. If israel somehow relocated to Texas and the entire Palestine was left to arabs and if big players like Iran stopped fueling the issue, they would quickly forget their Palestinian identity and started to happily kill each other based on new issues, tribal and religious and whatever else.
That's hate speech, you're back to slandering an entire people.


 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Their identity exists, but it exists in conjunction with the conflict. If israel somehow relocated to Texas and the entire Palestine was left to arabs and if big players like Iran stopped fueling the issue, they would quickly forget their Palestinian identity and started to happily kill each other based on new issues, tribal and religious and whatever else.
But as we discussed the Palestinian label and identity predates the conflict, or even Israel's formation.
 

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But as we discussed the Palestinian label and identity predates the conflict, or even Israel's formation.
Not really.

Before the Brits took over in 1919, the Palestinians were just generic Arab underlings of the Ottoman Turks, just like the Syrian, Lebanese, Iraqi and Jordanian Arabs. It was the Brits who named and created Palestine - which then included Jordan. The Brits did that, just so they could draw a line on the map and separate British "Palestine" from French "Syria". Both were artificial concepts.
 
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shack

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Who's here taking you seriously ?
Not these people. Geno has no credibility and is TERB's ongoing joke. In just the last week, these people have spoken out, in some form, against Geno's lies, racism and hate speech:

Whynot888
Bucksnort
Leimonis
GerryB
Mitchell
Phil C. McNasty
Andreiboris
Mandrill
GoodboyT
SchlongConnery
NotADcotor
richaceg
Gameboy27
BasketcaseButler1000canada-man
wyzemc2
princekwekua
Uwauwa
Vinson
jSanchez
Conil
Me

He claims there's only 4 people against him. This is just from a few threads and only the last 7 days.
There are many more than just this list.

Geno's only reason for being here is to foment discord by spewing hate speech. He provides nothing of benefit to TERB.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Not really.

Before the Brits took over in 1919, the Palestinians were just generic Arab underlings of the Ottoman Turks, just like the Syrian, Lebanese, Iraqi and Jordanian Arabs. It was the Brits who named and created Palestine - which then included Jordan. The Brits did that, just so they could draw a line on the map and separate British "Palestine" from French "Syria". Both were artificial concepts.
They were called Mandatory Palestine as that label existed from ancient times. The label applied to all religions of people there including Jews. After 1948 it has applied only to Muslims and Christians. Even if you consider the origins of the identity to be 1964 when the PLO was formed, its still been 3 generations of people?
 
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mandrill

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They were called Mandatory Palestine as that label existed from ancient times. The label applied to all religions of people there including Jews. After 1948 it has applied only to Muslims and Christians.
It was a name on a map in a textbook in the UK.

That's why the British used it. It had no reality for the inhabitants.
 
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Frankfooter

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Not these people. Geno has no credibility and is TERB's ongoing joke. In just the last week, these people have spoken out, in some form, against Geno's lies, racism and hate speech:

Whynot888
Bucksnort
Leimonis
GerryB
Mitchell
Phil C. McNasty
Andreiboris
Mandrill
GoodboyT
SchlongConnery
NotADcotor
richaceg
Gameboy27
BasketcaseButler1000canada-man
wyzemc2
princekwekua
Uwauwa
Vinson
jSanchez
Conil
Me

He claims there's only 4 people against him. This is just from a few threads and only the last 7 days.
There are many more than just this list.

Geno's only reason for being here is to foment discord by spewing hate speech. He provides nothing of benefit to TERB.
Most of those are you, Shazi. Your computer skills are pretty shitty.
7pm at the Israeli embassy tonight for a protest.
You gonna show up or are you scheduled to change your depends then?

Think you can get 35,000 from terb to show up?

 
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shack

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Maybe we can agree on 1964 when the PLO was formed? Which makes for atleast 3 generations of Palestinians.
So it means that Jews have been indigenous to the area for thousands of years versus only 3 generations for the Palestinians.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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So it means that Jews have been indigenous to the area for thousands of years versus only 3 generations for the Palestinians.
The people have been indigeneous for 1000s of years. You may say they have adopted a new identity only for 3 generations or argue that their identity is atleast as old as their ancestry. Does the distinction matter for the future when it is accepted by even the parties in conflict that the other identity exists?
 

shack

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I disagree, genocide is more radical than a call for viping out Israel.
Unfortunately the death of 20,000 Gazans as casualties of war (the other 20,000 are active Hamas fighters) is not genocide.
 
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danmand

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It was a name on a map in a textbook in the UK.

That's why the British used it. It had no reality for the inhabitants.
The Palestine pound (Arabic: جُنَيْه فِلَسْطَينِيّ, junayh filastini; Hebrew: פוּנְט פַּלֶשְׂתִינָאִי (א״י), romanized: funt palestina'i (eretz-yisra'eli) or Hebrew: לירה (א״י), romanized: lira eretz-yisra'elit; Sign: £P[1][2][improper synthesis?]) was the currency of the British Mandate of Palestine from 1 November 1927 to 14 May 1948, and of the State of Israel between 15 May 1948 and 23 June 1952, when it was replaced with the Israeli pound.
 

shack

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But as we discussed the Palestinian label and identity predates the conflict, or even Israel's formation.
You earlier suggested 3 generations ago in 1964. The goalposts seem to have moved.
 
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