Open Discussion: Increasing Average Rates Getting Too High?

[RebelinBed]

So I wanted to post this as an open discussion (mostly) and a poll.

So back in 2016/17 when I started this hobby the average price for a. HH GFE was about 100/120. Then it went up to 140. Then it went up to 150/160. But now, most ladies I inquire with are charging 200/HH!? For nothing more than a basic GFE experience. Most of them barely even deliver that and some are charging those rates for just a cbj and fs, not even GFE.

Now, I know there are a lot of variables that play in to this and I know that there is a level of subjectivity as well. I also know that there are always going to be guys who will pay whatever for whatever without even thinking twice. But like goddamn.

Now, I'm all for paying people for their services and experience regardless of industry. I also know that partaking in this hobby is a luxury. However, how is it realistic that the average rate is now 200/HH? I understand well-reviewed ladies charging a bit more than average. I understand agencies charging a bit more than average. I understand the elite high-class escorts charging what they charge. But for your average run of the mill GFE?

Now I know there are guys on here who live by only seeing 60, 80, 100 ladies. I have no bloody idea how. But you guys aren't the guys I'm wanting to have in this discussion. This discussion is mostly for those of us who are willing to pay the average rates or even a bit more as well as any ladies who want to chime in.

I know there's very little we can do to stop the rates from getting too high but at what point, for the average client, is it too much?

 

[Derpy]

Yes, it's a little much. Especially if you want to see someone frequently. I have spent WAY to much in this hobby because the 80 to 100 are questionable but sometimes a gem. But I want something specific. So it's 200 to 260 and frankly it's nice to look at but doesn't get the value difference between the more cost effective options.

 

[Just Looking For A Latina]

Whenever the topic of increasing price comes up on TERB, someone chimes in the the market always adapts and that there will be a "correction". I guess the "market" has spoken. The prices are up and that is what the market can bear. For a long time Americans wrote about how spoiled we were in Toronto (I realize this question is from Durham and Peterborough section but I think there is a correlation) with the quality and price of SW's. Now Toronto has prices up and it is not going to go down.

I have adapted to this new reality booking way fewer ladies. As was stated in the poll message, this is a luxury. I am in an advantageous position to be able to afford hiring a lady for an hour. It is not the norm by a long shot. But compared to how often I use to hire someone, I am down to not very often due to the cost which the market has determined.

 

[tastingyou]

I voted NO!!!

There are lots of providers charging 400 an hour and up and there are lots of guys willing to pay it. Just check the number of favourable [ and sometimes unfavourable reviews ] for these providers. I will never be convinced that the value of the experience increases significantly by going from a 250 to a 500 hour provider. I am older, hobby frequently , have a large budget but do not need the perfect body nor a young smokeshow but I do insist on reliability, fantastic hygiene , consistant service , fairly broad menu, good personality and good availability. As long as the spa is clean it does not need to be high-end.

Fortunately I have MILF- GILF - ASIAN fever and there are MANY terrific providers [ mostly in spas ] who provide a TERRIFIC experience for around $200/hour all in. I can afford it but my vanity level does not insist that I pay $200 green fees to play golf nor do I need to drive a $100 K vehicle, nor do I need to see a $400 /hr provider in order to get a slightly better experience.

 

[Bottom feeder]

Agree to that.

 

[RebelinBed]

For example... Who the fuck is this?

https://www.leolist.cc/personals/female-escorts/greater-toronto/oshawa_horny_italian_special_discount-8374087

250hh 350hr safe play only (basically cbj & fs) and that is HER "SPECIAL". She followed it up by saying the lowest she could do is 200/HH.

So yeah, unreviewed unknown Indies charging baseline 200/HH... We're fucked.

 

[ashlee.]

Everything is going up, so I can see why some providers who rely solely on this income to finance their life would have no choice. When I came back last November I had not been keeping up on rates and tried to do some research and see what everyone was doing for what. I too was surprised to see 200hh basic services so frequently. But then I thought hey, if they are getting that, good for them. I thought I priced myself reasonably for the service I provide/location/age I am in and all I got was hate from other ladies who have chosen to place themselves in a higher price bracket. So one really can't win when it comes to pricing.

 

[bob.man]

For example... Who the fuck is this?

https://www.leolist.cc/personals/female-escorts/greater-toronto/oshawa_horny_italian_special_discount-8374087

250hh 350hr safe play only (basically cbj & fs) and that is HER "SPECIAL". She followed it up by saying the lowest she could do is 200/HH.

So yeah, unreviewed unknown Indies charging baseline 200/HH... We're fucked.

Pretty sure it's fake and just wants a deposit.

 

[RebelinBed]

Everything is going up, so I can see why some providers who rely solely on this income to finance their life would have no choice. When I came back last November I had not been keeping up on rates and tried to do some research and see what everyone was doing for what. I too was surprised to see 200hh basic services so frequently. But then I thought hey, if they are getting that, good for them. I thought I priced myself reasonably for the service I provide/location/age I am in and all I got was hate from other ladies who have chosen to place themselves in a higher price bracket. So one really can't win when it comes to pricing.

The reason you got so much hate for it is simply because having slightly lower prices than average for comparable or better service/product typically means you'll get more business than others who are charging the average price or more. It's business 101. You may have got a lot of hate from other ladies, but what you've done is gain the respect of clients for not following the trends which is generally more important. Who cares what your competitors think if you've gained the respect and loyalty of your customers.

I actually wanted to see you for my birthday this year but you weren't available

As for ladies who solely rely on this for income, I can understand that to a point. If we wanted to break it down, if minimum wage is now $17.20/hr and the average price for a half hour is 200, cutting minimum wage in half would be $8.60/hh. Which means that is 23x what the average person makes. Looking at hourly, $300/hr vs $17.20/hr, that is 17x min wage. Even if the lady only sees 2 clients per day, 5 days a week at $300/hour, that equals out to being 152k per year.

To reiterate as well, I'm not saying this as a knock to SWs in any way. Sex work definitely deserves to have a higher price tag due to its nature and risk factor, 100%. I don't disagree with that. But going back to my initial question, of when does the average price become too high?

 

[IndigoKnight]

Everything is going up, so I can see why some providers who rely solely on this income to finance their life would have no choice. When I came back last November I had not been keeping up on rates and tried to do some research and see what everyone was doing for what. I too was surprised to see 200hh basic services so frequently. But then I thought hey, if they are getting that, good for them. I thought I priced myself reasonably for the service I provide/location/age I am in and all I got was hate from other ladies who have chosen to place themselves in a higher price bracket. So one really can't win when it comes to pricing.

Ashlee, please don't change anything about yourself. You are a total sweetheart and despite what everyone is eluding to, your rates totally reasonable and you never leave customers waiting for more than a few minutes. Please don't change a thing!

 

[bob.man]

The reason you got so much hate for it is simply because having slightly lower prices than average for comparable or better service/product typically means you'll get more business than others who are charging the average price or more. It's business 101. You may have got a lot of hate from other ladies, but what you've done is gain the respect of clients for not following the trends which is generally more important. Who cares what your competitors think if you've gained the respect and loyalty of your customers.

I actually wanted to see you for my birthday this year but you weren't available

As for ladies who solely rely on this for income, I can understand that to a point. If we wanted to break it down, if minimum wage is now $17.20/hr and the average price for a half hour is 200, cutting minimum wage in half would be $8.60/hh. Which means that is 23x what the average person makes. Looking at hourly, $300/hr vs $17.20/hr, that is 17x min wage. Even if the lady only sees 2 clients per day, 5 days a week at $300/hour, that equals out to being 152k per year.

To reiterate as well, I'm not saying this as a knock to SWs in any way. Sex work definitely deserves to have a higher price tag due to its nature and risk factor, 100%. I don't disagree with that. But going back to my initial question, of when does the average price become too high?

Don't forget they need their place of residence, plus hotel if they are not doing incalls at their place of residence, which means food is always higher, but yes by your calculations (which isn't that high of numbers) there shouldn't be any money problem..

It comes down to pimps... And poor service..

Like Ashlee, she can easily have a month out pretty much 85%+ booked because she has great service, but more importantly, her personality is amazing!! Who wouldn't want to spend time with her just to spend time with her.

 

[bob.man]

Ashlee, please don't change anything about yourself. You are a total sweetheart and despite what everyone is eluding to, your rates totally reasonable and you never leave customers waiting for more than a few minutes. Please don't change a thing!

100%!!

 

[Tiny_royal3]

Everything is going up, so I can see why some providers who rely solely on this income to finance their life would have no choice. When I came back last November I had not been keeping up on rates and tried to do some research and see what everyone was doing for what. I too was surprised to see 200hh basic services so frequently. But then I thought hey, if they are getting that, good for them. I thought I priced myself reasonably for the service I provide/location/age I am in and all I got was hate from other ladies who have chosen to place themselves in a higher price bracket. So one really can't win when it comes to pricing.

Same I felt pressure from others girls but I just do what I want now , lot of them I blocked but just keep pushing mama do what you feels right for you cause end day only you have you and only you know what going on in your life so do what makes you feel comfortable.

 

[heavenwushi]

Everything is going up, so I can see why some providers who rely solely on this income to finance their life would have no choice. When I came back last November I had not been keeping up on rates and tried to do some research and see what everyone was doing for what. I too was surprised to see 200hh basic services so frequently. But then I thought hey, if they are getting that, good for them. I thought I priced myself reasonably for the service I provide/location/age I am in and all I got was hate from other ladies who have chosen to place themselves in a higher price bracket. So one really can't win when it comes to pricing.

the girls that charge more would decrease their volume, and the girls who charge less would increase it. its just simple economics, what you want is for the supply to match the demand for maximum revenue, which means that you charge just low enough where you are just fully booked everyday, but not so cheap that a queue is formed.
I talked to many girls where they feel they have to increase their rate to account for the lack of customers they are getting, but that would actually decrease their overall earnings. this is why I suspect that so many girls are switching agencies or locations so often now, as everytime they do that, a group of customers flood in to book them thinking they are a new girl, but this quickly dies out and they are back to where they started in a couple months

 

[taker2ez]

For example... Who the fuck is this?

https://www.leolist.cc/personals/female-escorts/greater-toronto/oshawa_horny_italian_special_discount-8374087

250hh 350hr safe play only (basically cbj & fs) and that is HER "SPECIAL". She followed it up by saying the lowest she could do is 200/HH.

So yeah, unreviewed unknown Indies charging baseline 200/HH... We're fucked.

I am leary of all the 19 n 20 yr olds
the date in her pics says early 2023 which means she might have been 17

 

[RebelinBed]

Don't forget they need their place of residence, plus hotel if they are not doing incalls at their place of residence, which means food is always higher, but yes by your calculations (which isn't that high of numbers) there shouldn't be any money problem..

It comes down to pimps... And poor service..

Like Ashlee, she can easily have a month out pretty much 85%+ booked because she has great service, but more importantly, her personality is amazing!! Who wouldn't want to spend time with her just to spend time with her.

Right. And I deliberately used a low number of clients per day to illustrate just how much money is actually being made. Most ladies are definitely seeing more than 2 clients per day. So it only really goes up from there. So ultimately we're talking $200-250k + per year on average if not more.

 

[RebelinBed]

Ashlee, please don't change anything about yourself. You are a total sweetheart and despite what everyone is eluding to, your rates totally reasonable and you never leave customers waiting for more than a few minutes. Please don't change a thing!

I agree with this sentiment despite not having seen Ashlee yet. I really really want to though. Your rates are exactly where they should be. You hit the economic sweet spot.

 

[Jenesis]

Right. And I deliberately used a low number of clients per day to illustrate just how much money is actually being made. Most ladies are definitely seeing more than 2 clients per day. So it only really goes up from there. So ultimately we're talking $200-250k + per year on average if not more.

Sorry but no. Escorts are not making that much. You didn’t account for any expenses. You assume 5 days at 52 weeks a year. Which is also not correct. You left no times for periods, sick days, burnout days, etc.

I like you man, but your numbers are off.

 

[Jenesis]

Before COVID my rates were some of the highest. After COVID they are now considered lower and I haven’t changed them.

Before COVID it was harder to get away from the office and therefore it needed to be worth my time. Now after COVID, I’m semi retired, working from home with minimal expenses and therefore I kept the rates the same.

We all do what works for us. If a lady is bitching because another escorts rates are too low, then that is her problem. If you feel the escort at the lower rate is making more then you and you need more, lower your fucking rate. It is not rocket science. You have a quota, you break it down by client and then average out the rate. It is stupid to blame someone else for your lacking.

However, this bullshit complaint about rates is stupid as well. EVERYTHING has gone up. Housing, gas, utilities, food, insurance, clothing, all merchandise, etc. Minimum wage has gone up, government funded supports like OW/ODSP/OAS/GIS has gone up, so can someone please explain why escort rates should not go up as well.

I haven’t even gotten into escort expenses. Hotels, phones, ads, photography, websites, hair, make up. I’ll be lucky if I can get a bra for under $100. And that is not that fancy shit either. Just a nice black supportive bra. Granted my tits are huge and that is part of the problem, but this is 2024. We all have to deal.

These are the rates. Can’t afford them, find another sandbox to play in or spend the time to save. This is a luxury, not a necessity, no matter how much you guys wanna think that it is necessary to bust a nut.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but this is the reality and it is annoying AF to continue to read men whining about rates over and over.

You guys had it good in Durham for a long time. You lost basically every agency because of bitching and lowballing etc that it made it impossible for an agency to make money and keep the rates lower. Now you are left with indies and soon you might be out of those as well. The good ones anyways. Look around at some other sections of the board or ask your fellow hobbyist in Peterborough how dire the scene is. It can get worse. Just sayin’.

I will say, having said all that - I wouldn’t call $200/hh an average price. That is a more higher end price. Durham still has girls charging $100/hh. I would say average Durham price is $160ish.

I think we are confusing what is “average”. Although basic escort economics 101, hh price should be able to cover the full cost or at least 80% of the cost of the hotel. An escort should only need two hh calls to make her hotel, food, gas, ads, phone and site per shift. Then the rest of the calls should be profit which pays for all the escorts personal shit like her rent/food, etc. However, also from that profit you can minus other expenses like hair, nails, lingerie, etc. but for regular shift work, it is what I listed. This is breaking down expenses per client session of course. Lots of numbers to break down but that is standard from our end. Look at the average hotel cost for Durham. You will see why some rates are what they are. The bloody Super 8 and Motel 6 are 130/140 per night minimum. Without a “Priceline” booking. And those are shit holes. Anything worth using is 160-200 per night and that is with a Priceline booking. Just trying to put it in perspective

 

[farquhar]

You guys had it good in Durham for a long time. You lost basically every agency because of bitching and lowballing etc that it made it impossible for an agency to make money and keep the rates lower. Now you are left with indies and soon you might be out of those as well. Look around at some other sections of the board or ask your fellow hobbyist in Peterborough how dire the scene is. It can get worse. Just sayin’

There's a reason why the agencies don't bother setting up shop East of Toronto. I'm in fucking Oakville, the most vanilla municipality there is, and we have 2 Escort Agencies now.

Guys here didn't take Economics 101 in High School; did they just happen to ignore the inflation we had over the last 2-3 years, which the Bank of Canada has just now gotten under control?

Inflation affects everybody....including escorts!