Doug Ford proposes tunneling under the 401 to create an underground freeway to relieve 401 congestion

[Frankfooter]

The government could expropriate or otherwise attemp to take over the 407 by legislation. BUT... they would have to pay the appraised value of the business profits over the remainder of the lease term.

Or they could do the NDP option and just pay the 407 fees for all trucks crossing the city.
Cheapest option of all.

Wonder if this all just a plan for DoFo to say that the tunnel is a dumb idea, lets just do the 413 instead.

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[Varmitt]

Why does everyone presume the 407 is empty??? Granted it’s not as busy as the 401 , but it can still be heavy at times, and why would anyone presume all the trucks are going straight through, a lot are only going part way through to make deliveries.

 

[bver_hunter]

Dumb DOFO seems to be making more and more howlers every time he spews something from his nostrils.
No wonder that there is an outrage with his latest statements:

'I think he needs to go serve a few more meals:' Ottawa Mission CEO fires back at Ford encampment comments

'I think he needs to go serve a few more meals': Ottawa Mission CEO fires back at Ford encampment comments

The CEO of the Ottawa Mission is responding to controversial comments made this week by Premier Doug Ford about those living in homeless encampments that received swift blowback from advocates.

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[boobtoucher]

Here is your problem....

If your suggestion were implemented starting in 1955, we'd be in great shape. We'd live in something like London, England with no suburbs and lots of surface rail and subways. Don Mills, Scarborough, Richmond Hill, Brampton, Mississauga and Oakville wouldn't exist. And everyone would take train or subway to wherever they wanted to go.

Just like your grands did.... because there were no burbs back then. My grands didn't drive either. But they lived in the UK in smaller size cities.

It's a little late to go back to 1955.

"Well, we've been making mistakes of 70 years, no point trying anything else. Just keep digging the hole deeper, maybe we'll come out the other side."

 

[mandrill]

Fact is this. You cannot and/or refuse to acknowledge facts. The fact about which type of politicians created this Gardiner induced chaos. Hint, hint, it was not radical left-wing city councilors. It was right-wing suburban council maority and the right-wing mayor.

How?!?!?...

The Gardiner has deteriorated over 50 years. The city refused to fix it because it wanted the Gardiner torn out. Now there are a vast # of repairs that the provincial government has to do.

Fact is this. You cannot and/or refuse to acknowledge facts. The fact is that you can try to add more lanes on highways, if at all possible, but added pavement eventually reaches interchange roads that cannot be widened, which meet intermediate roads, tertiary roads and local roads that cannot be widened. Hence, the fuckin funnel effect of expanding vehicular traffic lanes. We already see it with what we got.

Not really.

If you are expanding the city outwards, then presumably you add off ramps and build up the road net in outlying areas. For instance, if Guelph grows by 20% in the next 10 years - and it probably will - then the road net in the Guelph area will need to be improved.

Fact is this. You cannot and/or refuse to acknowledge facts. The fact that bike lanes do not cause traffic congestion. Single occupant motorized vehicles cause traffic congestion.

The bike lanes DO cause congestion.

Single occupant motor vehicles continue to be necessary for all traveling into and out of the downtown core.

Every fucking person in this thread and the previous five threads on the topic has explained this to you and given you examples and asked you to respond to those examples. You refuse to respond and simply keep giving your rant about single occupant motor vehicles. It's like talking to a 15 year old throwing a tantrum.

 

[Frankfooter]

The bike lanes DO cause congestion.

Single occupant motor vehicles continue to be necessary for all traveling into and out of the downtown core.

Every fucking person in this thread and the previous five threads on the topic has explained this to you and given you examples and asked you to respond to those examples. You refuse to respond and simply keep giving your rant about single occupant motor vehicles. It's like talking to a 15 year old throwing a tantrum.

This is idiotic.
There is congestion everywhere in town, regardless of bike lanes or not.

 

[Anbarandy]

How?!?!?...

The Gardiner has deteriorated over 50 years. The city refused to fix it because it wanted the Gardiner torn out. Now there are a vast # of repairs that the provincial government has to do.

You make absolutely ZERO sense. Squat, shit fuck all.

Get your fact straight, and then, only then will thy noodle be not addled with nonsensical nattering class nincompooping nibberish.

Right-wing mayor John Tory and his right-wing majority suburban car-centric councilors voted to spend billions to repair the Gardiner and shove it's eastern end where in arcs to meet the DVP a few inches to the north.

They then directed city staff to do the actual work, obtaining RFPs, contracts, etc, to have this done using city of Toronto funds, not provincial funds, nor provincial staff or resources.

The actual work that is happening and causing traffic chaos and mayhem is because of the above.

The city and the Thug entered into an agreement NOT yet finalized to have the province upload the Gardiner and the DVP, BUT they are as of NOW still legal City of Toronto assets and responsibilities.

 

[Anbarandy]

If you are expanding the city outwards, then presumably you add off ramps and build up the road net in outlying areas. For instance, if Guelph grows by 20% in the next 10 years - and it probably will - then the road net in the Guelph area will need to be improved.

"We're talkin' bout Toronto here, we're talkin' bout Toronto here!"

The city of Toronto cannot expand outwards anymore. All of the lands that encompass it are developed to last inches it's legal boundaries.

Stay in your lane. Stick to your knitting.

 

[Anbarandy]

The bike lanes DO cause congestion.

Single occupant motor vehicles continue to be necessary for all traveling into and out of the downtown core.

Sure bud, sure.

Keep convincing yourself of this nonsense that you spew:

 

[mandrill]

"We're talkin' bout Toronto here, we're talkin' bout Toronto here!"

The city of Toronto cannot expand outwards anymore. All of the lands that encompass it are developed to last inches it's legal boundaries.

Stay in your lane. Stick to your knitting.

Don't be silly. "Toronto" these days includes Peel, Durham, York Region and its exurbs now include Hamilton, Guelph and Barrie. People commute to all 3 cities for work from Toronto.

 

[mandrill]

You make absolutely ZERO sense. Squat, shit fuck all.

Get your fact straight, and then, only then will thy noodle be not addled with nonsensical nattering class nincompooping nibberish.

Right-wing mayor John Tory and his right-wing majority suburban car-centric councilors voted to spend billions to repair the Gardiner and shove it's eastern end where in arcs to meet the DVP a few inches to the north.

They then directed city staff to do the actual work, obtaining RFPs, contracts, etc, to have this done using city of Toronto funds, not provincial funds, nor provincial staff or resources.

The actual work that is happening and causing traffic chaos and mayhem is because of the above.

The city and the Thug entered into an agreement NOT yet finalized to have the province upload the Gardiner and the DVP, BUT they are as of NOW still legal City of Toronto assets and responsibilities.

Good. About fucking time the City lived up to its responsibilities.

Maybe it can spend less on bike lanes and DEI consultants and more on actually helping its residents by building appropriate infrastructure.

 

[Anbarandy]

Don't be silly. "Toronto" these days includes Peel, Durham, York Region and its exurbs now include Hamilton, Guelph and Barrie. People commute to all 3 cities for work from Toronto.

Funnel vision much?:

 

[Anbarandy]

Good. About fucking time the City lived up to its responsibilities.

Maybe it can spend less on bike lanes and DEI consultants and more on actually helping its residents by building appropriate infrastructure.

There is no added new, renewed, reconstituted or recombobulated infrastructure nor amount of money that will solve:

 

[JuanGoodman]

There is no added new, renewed, reconstituted or recombobulated infrastructure nor amount of money that will solve:

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nobody is saying that bike lanes caused the traffic nightmare we are in now

but they are making this traffic nightmare even worse, not better

if we took half of your salary away, would your life be better or worse?

and your augment would be that taking half of your salary away did not cause global inflation

of course it didn't, but now when everything is so expensive would your life be better with only half of your salary?

that's what bike lanes are doing, taking away 1 lane of traffic and turning 2 lane streets into 1

even a simple person like yourself has to understand that

if you have 2 potatoes and we take one away do you have more potatoes or less?

 

[JuanGoodman]

Right-wing mayor John Tory

you really are clueless

Tory was as Liberal as can be!

he was the one who build Bloor St bike lanes along High Park during the pandemic

at the time when everyone was crying that they don't have enough money to hire more doctors and nurses

Tory is as left as it gets

we had a conservative mayor who wanted to build Subways,Subways, Subways

but all you lefties created a witch hunt against him

he was addicted to drugs and you crucified him for it

yet now you ( the lefties) are fighting to support drug addicts with all your safe injection sites

nothing will change in this city until we get rid of progressive dimwits on city council

 

[Anbarandy]

nobody is saying that bike lanes caused the traffic nightmare we are in now

but they are making this traffic nightmare even worse, not better

if we took half of your salary away, would your life be better or worse?

and your augment would be that taking half of your salary away did not cause global inflation

of course it didn't, but now when everything is so expensive would your life be better with only half of your salary?

that's what bike lanes are doing, taking away 1 lane of traffic and turning 2 lane streets into 1

even a simple person like yourself has to understand that

if you have 2 potatoes and we take one away do you have more potatoes or less?

What a nattering nabob of negativity you are.

Instead of whinnying and whining and wailing about bike lanes supposedly making "this traffic nightmare" worse show us with data, facts and evidence that it is having an effect.

Not your opinions, not Joe "Oh how I hate bike lanes" Biased, or dumbass opinion pieces buttressed by false anecdotal testimonies.

Oh, I was biking on Bloor St. W. this afternoon, actually rush hour and it was smooth sailing as far as the eye could see. Cars, vans, trucks, cyclists, e-delivery dickheads, pedestrians.

How bout we take away 1/2 of your falsified, biased, partisan, bike lane bullshit instead of 1/2 your salary?

Would your bike lane bullshit be 1/2 as nonsensical, 1/2 as false, 1/2 as made up, 1/2 as laughably imbecilic?

Or would it still be 100% nonsensical, falsified, made, laughably imbecilic?

That's what your nonsense is doing, taking away 1/2 of your "nothingness" and turning nothingness into nothingness.

Seriously, you are monumental waste of my time responding to you, and for what? A someone is so dogmatic, so uninformed, so partisan, looking, looking, also looking for culture wedge issues to spice up his otherwise mundane existence.

Get lost.

 

[Anbarandy]

Tory was as Liberal as can be!

False.

1 out of 1

 

[Anbarandy]

at the time when everyone was crying that they don't have enough money to hire more doctors and nurses

False.

2 out of 2

That's the Thug's lane

 

[Anbarandy]

Tory is as left as it gets

False.

3 out of 3

 

[Anbarandy]

but all you lefties created a witch hunt against him

False

4 out of 4