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Skoob

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Yeah, it's always party-hearty time at those homeless encampments.

I mean, the incentive to be homeless is just too tempting to refuse, eh Skoob?

Hopefully the Thug is a fan of chain gangs, eh Skoob!

Imagine all that cheap/free labor he could provide for his developer and private interest puppet masters
Coming from a guy who lives off the government teet, I would expect you to think someone working for a living would be slave labour.

Want an incentive?

Invest in yourself. Learn some skills. Get a job that pays well because your skills are in demand.
 
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Skoob

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Did they all have the new iphone 16 plus? Did they have a 24 of stella artois and a bottle of patron? Everybody has a cellphone. Mine is $120 brand new. Begging out front of the liquor store until you have $3-6 and grabbing a couple of tall boys is hardly living the high life. I don't drink but if I had to deal with the misery of homelessness I would definitely be drunk as often as possible to deal with the turmoil. It's pretty obvious you are judging them for not being miserable, which I have a hard time understanding.
No.
I'm judging them because they appear to be capable of finding a job and improving their lives yet are playing lawn darts in an encampment.
Does it really matter what type of phone they have? I'm sure they could use that phone as a contact number and to search for jobs.

Where there's a will there's a way.
 
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jimidean2011

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Where there's a will there's a way.
Somehow I suspect being homeless would suck the 'will' out of most people. And as I mentioned before, where is the motivation to work a job and still be stuck living in a tent? So we have option A be forced to live in a tent and mess around playing in the park all day and drinking beer or option B be forced to live in a tent, commute across the city to a job for 8 hours a day with no hope of ever moving out of that tent due to the lack of housing and ridiculous rent and then return at the end of the day to the tent encampment and hope and pray no one stole your stuff or that the city didn't do one of there tent encampment clean ups where you could literally come home from 'work' to find out you no longer have a 'home' because while you were working the city threw you shit in a dumpster because it seemed abandoned while you were at 'work'. I can definitely see the motivation to not work. Like I said before if you offered the homeless population a reasonable solution I suspect most people would take it but they are really not offering anything at all and I know why. The government does not give a fuck. A homeless person is a disposable human being. Oh Canada🇨🇦🤷‍♂️
 

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Somehow I suspect being homeless would suck the 'will' out of most people. And as I mentioned before, where is the motivation to work a job and still be stuck living in a tent? So we have option A be forced to live in a tent and mess around playing in the park all day and drinking beer or option B be forced to live in a tent, commute across the city to a job for 8 hours a day with no hope of ever moving out of that tent due to the lack of housing and ridiculous rent and then return at the end of the day to the tent encampment and hope and pray no one stole your stuff or that the city didn't do one of there tent encampment clean ups where you could literally come home from 'work' to find out you no longer have a 'home' because while you were working the city threw you shit in a dumpster because it seemed abandoned while you were at 'work'. I can definitely see the motivation to not work. Like I said before if you offered the homeless population a reasonable solution I suspect most people would take it but they are really not offering anything at all and I know why. The government does not give a fuck. A homeless person is a disposable human being. Oh Canada🇨🇦🤷‍♂️
If healthy homeless people just want to look at themselves as victims and come up with a million excuses as to why they can't move forward, then I agree they will be stuck there forever.
 

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If healthy homeless people just want to look at themselves as victims and come up with a million excuses as to why they can't move forward, then I agree they will be stuck there forever.
They will be stuck there for ever regardless! You can't live in a tent and get a minimum wage job that will allow you to buy your way out of a tent. And like I said, coming home from work to find no more tent is a realistic possibility. And again I'll say, if you did something to help these people, even half of what you do for new comers these people would be motivated to work. I promise you, no one wants to live in a tent.
 

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If healthy homeless people just want to look at themselves as victims and come up with a million excuses as to why they can't move forward, then I agree they will be stuck there forever.
Based on the article YOU posted The average rent for a studio apartment in Ontario is $1,837/month That mean your entire monthly pay cheque does not even cover your rent. So let me guess....be homeless and work two jobs right? It's an impossible situation to get out of and once they realize that they lose all motivation. I would too.
 
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Skoob

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Based on the article YOU posted The average rent for a studio apartment in Ontario is $1,837/month That mean your entire monthly pay cheque does not even cover your rent. So let me guess....be homeless and work two jobs right? It's an impossible situation to get out of and once they realize that they lose all motivation. I would too.
The article I posted was to show that the author didn't provide any links to sources. The numbers he references could be accurate, or completely false for that reason. The chart he included was created by him and not by another source. That was my point for posting the articel that was referenced in the tweet that was shared by Frankfooter.

Are you saying businesses should be forced to pay someone more because businesses are responsible for where people live and how much the rent is?
Or should property owners be forced to rent their units for less even though there are people who will rent them for more?

Should everyone, regardless of their experience and education be paid the same regardless regardless what they do for a living? If not, why?
 

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Are you saying businesses should be forced to pay someone more because businesses are responsible for where people live and how much the rent is?
Or should property owners be forced to rent their units for less even though there are people who will rent them for more?
Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that if the government offered some form of supplementation as an incentive to hire a homeless person so that they actually received a livable wage that would help the situation considerably but like I said the homeless aren't viewed as having any potential the way a new comer is viewed.

Should everyone, regardless of their experience and education be paid the same regardless regardless what they do for a living? If not, why?
Of coarse not, your wage should be decided by your skillset and your ability to add value to what ever business you are hired at. The problem is minimum wage is not enough to live off of. At least not in any comfortable way. Working for minimum wage and living in conditions similar to a P.O.W. or someone incarcerated is discouraging and demoralizing.
 
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Coming from a guy who lives off the government teet, I would expect you to think someone working for a living would be slave labour.

Want an incentive?

Invest in yourself. Learn some skills. Get a job that pays well because your skills are in demand.
Stop.

Stop it.

Stop admonishing yourself in the mirror, Skoob.

It's not healthy.
 

Skoob

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Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that if the government offered some form of supplementation as an incentive to hire a homeless person so that they actually received a livable wage that would help the situation considerably but like I said the homeless aren't viewed as having any potential the way a new comer is viewed.


Of coarse not, your wage should be decided by your skillset and your ability to add value to what ever business you are hired at. The problem is minimum wage is not enough to live off of. At least not in any comfortable way. Working for minimum wage and living in conditions similar to a P.O.W. or someone incarcerated is discouraging and demoralizing.
In order for the government to offer some kind of supplementation, they would need to have the capable homeless work with the government to ensure they are in a program. For the same reasons these people are not seeking work, they won't go through the trouble of working in a program like that otherwise they would already be taking advantage of these programs.
A few extra bucks per hour won't provide incentive or dramatically change someone's life unless they have the drive and determination.
Incentive comes from someone wanting to improve their lives and not just aspiring to work a non-skilled job.
The key here is self-investment. You get out what you put in. Many people have done that.

The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary.
-Vince Lombardi
 

Skoob

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Stop.

Stop it.

Stop admonishing yourself in the mirror, Skoob.

It's not healthy.
I think it's funny the way you dance around what you really want: Communism.

Everything you ever suggest points to that endgame.

You either already realize that and think you're being clever...or don't realize that and remain blissfully unaware.
 

Frankfooter

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Stop.

Stop it.

Stop admonishing yourself in the mirror, Skoob.

It's not healthy.
Skoob hates people.
Clearly they don't have kids or if they do they hate them even more.

Only a miserable fuck would argue that people need to be forced to work for shit pay and live in shit housing because they think it might make their taxes a tiny bit lower.

 

jimidean2011

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In order for the government to offer some kind of supplementation, they would need to have the capable homeless work with the government to ensure they are in a program. For the same reasons these people are not seeking work, they won't go through the trouble of working in a program like that otherwise they would already be taking advantage of these programs.
So you're saying programs like that currently exist?
 

jimidean2011

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Programs exist to help homeless find employment while subsidizing training, etc.

Here's one...lot's of similar programs out there...

https://www.toronto.ca/community-pe...s/ontario-works-training-programs-in-toronto/
I was referring to programs that would allow a homeless person to earn a living wage. As I mentioned significantly more is done for new comers. Hell a homeless person would be better off leaving the country and returning as an immigrant. They literally roll out the red carpet.🤷‍♂️
 

Skoob

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I was referring to programs that would allow a homeless person to earn a living wage. As I mentioned significantly more is done for new comers. Hell a homeless person would be better off leaving the country and returning as an immigrant. They literally roll out the red carpet.🤷‍♂️
I don't disagree with you about immigrants getting much more than domestic homeless.
However, helping someone get a job, so that then they can learn some skills and get their lives back on track is what these programs are about. In reality, no one is just going to hand someone a bunch of money in wages for an unskilled labour type job so that they can be on par with people who fulfill skilled labour opportunities.
 

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I was referring to programs that would allow a homeless person to earn a living wage. As I mentioned significantly more is done for new comers. Hell a homeless person would be better off leaving the country and returning as an immigrant. They literally roll out the red carpet.🤷‍♂️
I’m assuming that the government appreciates that newcomers have shown initiative and effort to cross the ocean and chances are they would want to participate in the economy and contribute.

in comparison the non immigrant homeless have shown that they can’t deal with life even though they speak the language and they have their legal status. 🤷‍♀️ writing them off may seem cruel but is it really that unreasonable?
 

jimidean2011

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writing them off may seem cruel but is it really that unreasonable?
I guess that depends. If you and a family member were walking and they tripped and fell to the ground would you stand there while they got them self together and stood back up or would you reach down and help them up?
 
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