The Israel Lobby

basketcase

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Yes, Hamas committed some war crimes and should be sent to the ICC.
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And the typical moronic double standard that says you can't criticize Hamas even after the UN and ICJ condemned them because the ICC hasn't held a trial yet but Israel should be condemned on any allegation in any random tweet.

A sane person would either refuse to condemn anyone until the conclusion of ICC prosecutions or criticize anyone who offends their moral compass. You on the other hand decide simply based on whether it's Jews or Arabs.
 

shack

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Oh but it does. It bothers their electorate.
But according to you, all of the politicians are bought and paid for, so it doesn't matter who is elected. So according to your own logic, this point is moot.

But you're right, no one is going to punish the US. That's why the Israel Lobby maintains its hold on them.
They have no hold. The US is huge and Israel is tiny. The US holds all the cards. The only significant thing that Israel has is how they've positioned themselves to be a useful tool for US geopolitical interests.

Israel–United States relations - Wikipedia

The United States of America was the first country to recognize the nascent State of Israel.[1] Since the 1960s, the American Israeli relationship has grown into a mutually beneficial alliance in economic, strategic and military aspects.[1] The United States has provided strong support for Israel. It has played a key role in the promotion of good relations between Israel and its neighbouring Arab states—notably Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt—while holding off hostility from countries such as Syria and Iran. In turn, Israel provides a strategic American foothold in the region as well as intelligence and advanced technological partnerships in both the civilian and military worlds. During the Cold War, Israel was a vital counterweight to Soviet influence in the region.[2] Relations with Israel are an important factor in the U.S. government's overall foreign policy in the Middle East, and the U.S. Congress has placed considerable importance on the maintenance of a supportive relationship.

Hopefully at some point, you'll take your anti-Semitic head out of your ass and accept/see the reality directly in front of you. Israel is the US' greatest ally in the region and does more to support American interests there than any other country. But if you want to keep on crying "unfair" into your cornflakes, go right ahead. It's not going to change things any time soon. It will only perpetuate your anxiety about the whole situation. You clearly get worked up about this.
 

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It will only perpetuate your anxiety about the whole situation. You clearly get worked up about this.
LOL, I'm not anxious or worked up. I'm simply stating the truth, which is plain to see.
 
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But according to you, all of the politicians are bought and paid for, so it doesn't matter who is elected. So according to your own logic, this point is moot.


They have no hold. The US is huge and Israel is tiny. The US holds all the cards. The only significant thing that Israel has is how they've positioned themselves to be a useful tool for US geopolitical interests.

Israel–United States relations - Wikipedia

The United States of America was the first country to recognize the nascent State of Israel.[1] Since the 1960s, the American Israeli relationship has grown into a mutually beneficial alliance in economic, strategic and military aspects.[1] The United States has provided strong support for Israel. It has played a key role in the promotion of good relations between Israel and its neighbouring Arab states—notably Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt—while holding off hostility from countries such as Syria and Iran. In turn, Israel provides a strategic American foothold in the region as well as intelligence and advanced technological partnerships in both the civilian and military worlds. During the Cold War, Israel was a vital counterweight to Soviet influence in the region.[2] Relations with Israel are an important factor in the U.S. government's overall foreign policy in the Middle East, and the U.S. Congress has placed considerable importance on the maintenance of a supportive relationship.

Hopefully at some point, you'll take your anti-Semitic head out of your ass and accept/see the reality directly in front of you. Israel is the US' greatest ally in the region and does more to support American interests there than any other country. But if you want to keep on crying "unfair" into your cornflakes, go right ahead. It's not going to change things any time soon. It will only perpetuate your anxiety about the whole situation. You clearly get worked up about this.
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basketcase

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Is Israel a foreign country? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
Are American jews foreigners? Yes or no?

You have made it clear that you have no issue with Americans of other ethnicities lobbying for foreign affairs so my description of your views are well supported.
 

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You're defenses are pathetic. It's sad that your only response to criticism of your antisemitic posts is to pretend you didn't make them. Maybe you can go back and delete them but I've made sure to reference all your idiocy using the wayback machine. Any time you are will to accept my challenge, I'll post them for you.
You lied and you can't back it up.
You are a hasbara troll.

 
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southpaw

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You have made it clear that you have no issue with Americans of other ethnicities lobbying for foreign affairs
Please show me when I have ever said this.
 

shack

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LOL, I'm not anxious or worked up. I'm simply stating the truth, which is plain to see.
I don't think you are and I think it isn't.

If it is so plain to see, then let's hear your historically factual rebuttal to what's posted by Wiki.

Israel–United States relations
The United States of America was the first country to recognize the nascent State of Israel.[1] Since the 1960s, the American Israeli relationship has grown into a mutually beneficial alliance in economic, strategic and military aspects.[1] The United States has provided strong support for Israel. It has played a key role in the promotion of good relations between Israel and its neighbouring Arab states—notably Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt—while holding off hostility from countries such as Syria and Iran. In turn, Israel provides a strategic American foothold in the region as well as intelligence and advanced technological partnerships in both the civilian and military worlds. During the Cold War, Israel was a vital counterweight to Soviet influence in the region.[2] Relations with Israel are an important factor in the U.S. government's overall foreign policy in the Middle East, and the U.S. Congress has placed considerable importance on the maintenance of a supportive relationship.

What is not correct? What is Wiki lying about? In light of this paragraph, prove that the US and Israel are not allies, as you claim. It's actually one of the most laughable claims I've ever heard.

TBH, I'm not actually expecting a serious response, because you can't have one that does not expose your lies and/or anti-Semitism.
 

Frankfooter

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I don't think you are and I think it isn't.

If it is so plain to see, then let's hear your historically factual rebuttal to what's posted by Wiki.

Israel–United States relations
The United States of America was the first country to recognize the nascent State of Israel.[1] Since the 1960s, the American Israeli relationship has grown into a mutually beneficial alliance in economic, strategic and military aspects.[1] The United States has provided strong support for Israel. It has played a key role in the promotion of good relations between Israel and its neighbouring Arab states—notably Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt—while holding off hostility from countries such as Syria and Iran. In turn, Israel provides a strategic American foothold in the region as well as intelligence and advanced technological partnerships in both the civilian and military worlds. During the Cold War, Israel was a vital counterweight to Soviet influence in the region.[2] Relations with Israel are an important factor in the U.S. government's overall foreign policy in the Middle East, and the U.S. Congress has placed considerable importance on the maintenance of a supportive relationship.

What is not correct? What is Wiki lying about? In light of this paragraph, prove that the US and Israel are not allies, as you claim. It's actually one of the most laughable claims I've ever heard.

TBH, I'm not actually expecting a serious response, because you can't have one that does not expose your lies and/or anti-Semitism.
You probably think this is good news.
 
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