The Great Debate

Who won the great debate?

  • Harris

    Votes: 71 78.0%
  • Trump

    Votes: 9 9.9%
  • Both were bad with no winner

    Votes: 9 9.9%
  • Both were good with no winner

    Votes: 2 2.2%

  • Total voters
    91

mitchell76

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We started off on whether immigration would be a bellweather political issue in Canada. I said that it probably wouldn't be.

Now you're wandering around.
Immigration (especially illegal), is already a huge issue in Canada. That's why Pierre is way up in the polls, over Justin!!
 

WyattEarp

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We started off on whether immigration would be a bellweather political issue in Canada. I said that it probably wouldn't be.

Now you're wandering around.
I'm not wandering around. These will be the discussions around immigration in Canada next year IMHO.
 
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Ohio Governor Mike DeWine is sending $2.5 MILLION and state troopers to Springfield after illegal migrants take over BUT WAIT! I thought the media said the town’s migrant crisis is fake news? Another day, another lie. The Governor says Haitian migrants are creating health and traffic issues, and we’ve been hearing reports for DAYS that illegal migrants who have no insurance are CRASHING into innocent Americans and simply driving off. “These dramatic surges impact every citizen of the community, every citizen,” DeWine said, noting additional influxes are occurring in Findlay and Lima, Ohio. “Moms who have to wait hours in a waiting room with a sick child, everyone who drives on the streets, and it affects children who go to school in more crowded classrooms.” THIS IS KAMALA’S FAULT.
 

jalimon

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Immigration is a major issue in the United States. Immigration will be an issue in Canada next year. Immigration is a major issue in the U.K, France, Germany, Italy and elsewhere in Europe.

Governments that ignore voters' sentiments will continue to be under pressure. It's not complicated. Why make democracy so hard?
Immigration is right now a major issue in Canada. We took 1.3 million immigrants last year. We are the size of california!! (not in size or economy but in population).

we are fucked. Liberals or conservatives it won’t make a difference.
 

WyattEarp

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Immigration is right now a major issue in Canada. We took 1.3 million immigrants last year. We are the size of california!! (not in size or economy but in population).

we are fucked. Liberals or conservatives it won’t make a difference.
Canada is actually one of the few Western industrialized countries (besides remote island nations) that can easily close its border and limit its immigration.

I don't know why you feel compelled to throw the Conservatives under the bus.* They do not control anything in Ottawa.

* I actually think I know why. Lol.
 
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jalimon

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Canada is actually one of the few Western industrialized countries (besides remote island nations) that can easily close its border and limit its immigration.

I don't know why you feel compelled to throw the Conservatives under the bus.* They do not control anything in Ottawa.

* I actually think I know why. Lol.
Because i do not believe the conservator will fix shit.

Canada needs immigrants to keep its economy afloat. Yet we have no where to house them! We are lacking 1 million houses!

I am thinking might as well go ndp! I prefer the socialist pathway to the greedy capitalist one.
 
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Valcazar

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I just don't want people to object to a settlement simply because Trump supports it.
I don't think that's particularly likely.
Being careful about any settlement he supports because he's not someone you should trust on this issue, sure.
But I can't see anyone saying "We were good with this settlement, but now that Trump came out to support it, we are turning it down."

Of course, set aside that idiot. He'd give away the store to make himself look good.

But how exactly do people expect settling with a bully to work out?
This war will end like virtually every other war ever has ended - in a negotiation.
The question is (and always has been) what the terms of that will be.

At some point both Ukraine and Russia will agree they will get a better deal from the treaty than from continuing the fighting.
 

mandrill

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I'm not wandering around. These will be the discussions around immigration in Canada next year IMHO.
I don't think so.

I predict that The Toronto Sun will suddenly find a hotel where asylum claimants are being housed at public expense and tell us that the Ethiopians / Somalis / Haitians who live there slaughter and gut goats in the bathrooms of the hotel rooms.

That's the usual story that surfaces just before an election. It's our equivalent to your "Haitians are eating our pet cats!" bullshit.

Stuff about the "economy" doesn't work with rightie voters whose average IQ is less than the mentally sub normal schnauzer who lives next door to me. They work off sheet xenophobic race hate, like your buddies here on TERB.
 

mandrill

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This war will end like virtually every other war ever has ended - in a negotiation.
The question is (and always has been) what the terms of that will be.
That's not really true, is it?

I can think of a lot of wars that didn't end in negotiations.
At some point both Ukraine and Russia will agree they will get a better deal from the treaty than from continuing the fighting.
There are all sorts of things that might happen. I don't think any of the likely ones involve negotiation.

I can foresee military or economic collapse to one or both combatants happening more likely than negotiation, the simple reason being that Putin is not perceived as an ethical player who will embrace and stand by the negotiated outcome.

If Putin dies, perhaps negotiations might be slightly more possible. I emphasize the word "slightly".
 

shack

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I’ve seen enough of Harris to know that she is going to crumble tonight. Unless she was able to fly to Oz in the last few days and get a brain.
Whatever the flight cost, it was worth it.
 

mandrill

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I don't understand why there are so many weak men in the political section of this forum. I guess most are old men who need socialism to protect them in their old age or lazy men.

She didn't kick ass. I don't know what reality you live in. How could someone like Putin ever respect her or take her seriously? Why hasn't their administration done any of the things she's proposing? She's still in the White House. Why didn't she meet with BB? What is her vision other than false optimism? What did I learn from Kamala today that has any substance? This was on her turf with ABC and she most likely even received the questions beforehand.
Also massive bias by the moderators but that was expected.
You misunderstand what the debate is all about, Eddie.

Kamala was previously portrayed as a lazy, DEI hired incompetent who would fall apart when confronted with the most masculine manly white man in America, DJT. Instead, she was lucid, quick-witted, controlled and she laughed at Trump when he was baited into blurting dumb shit out. (Which was inevitable since he blurts and he's dumb and he normally says shit.)

That's all she had to do. He did him - stupid, weird-faced and blurty.

And she looked like a combination of a capable woman attorney on a Law and Order episode and your smartass mom, picking apart your little brother's useless bullshit about why he didn't do his chores before dinner.

You'll still vote for Trump - if only because your most favourite politician ever died a few decades ago in unfortunate circumstances. Mitch will still vote for Trump.

But a lot of people who might have held back on supporting Kamala - like Taylor Swift - suddenly felt okay to take the plunge.

That was Kamala's goal and she did it perfectly.
 
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