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The Great Debate

Who won the great debate?

  • Harris

    Votes: 77 78.6%
  • Trump

    Votes: 9 9.2%
  • Both were bad with no winner

    Votes: 10 10.2%
  • Both were good with no winner

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    98

mandrill

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If you think the Ottawa government should expand, Trudeau is and has been your guy. I personally think the U.S. government was plenty big and powerful before Biden.

I'm not sure what magic you think the CDC could have pulled off, but yeah give them more money and while were at it send some more US$ to the lab in Wuhan. Incidentally, I heard tens of billions of U.S. govt. green investments that were cynically mislabeled infrastructure are now underwater.

Don't worry Dave the U.S. government can finance your wildest dreams.
Good point, Earp.

Smart people always rely on large, multi-national corporations to take care of them. Far better than government.
 

Valcazar

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Harris gives Trump an ass-whooping like no one has ever seen before.
It's funny how, looking at Mitch's panic-tweeting, the GOP just kind of admits up front that Trump thinks being fact-checked is unfair to him,
I've seen people actually take this position before - that all fact-checking needs to be done by the other candidate, so that the bigger liar has the advantage.

That ABC did it all surprises me (CNN put into their rules that they wouldn't do that and I thought it was supposed to be the same rules).
Even though it probably wasn't much, I am sure any push back must have been viewed as wildly disrespectful and unfair by Trump and his supporters.
 

NotADcotor

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What do you mean "if harris fails...we can get rid of her, with Trump probably not"? Trump got removed last election...you're projecting.
He literally told his supporters that they only have to vote one more time, then it will be fixed.

He did claim in a later interview that he meant fixed as in he would fix things up so well that republicans would be so well supported that they would easily win, but
1: Trump is a pathological liar
2: That just doesn't make an sense, no matter how well he does, it is unlikely that would happen, and he is living in a narcisist dream land if he thinks that is a possibility
3: He already did try to overturn election results before and stage a coup in the last election he didn't go peacefully

You should know this, it's been in the news, it's been discussed his.

Your reply is dishonest or deluded, pick one.
 

NotADcotor

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Funny thing, I can't remember an inner city kid going postal at his school. Sure, they have gang shootings but I presume there is a criminal motivation. Neither is good.
That gang grind keeps them busy I guess.

I'd rather an almost nil chance of a school shooting than going to an inner city school. Much Much safer.
 

NotADcotor

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I'm sorry but I think only people who can't make strong arguments forge posts.

It's kind of like arguing with that voice in your head.
Speaking of points going over your head

I wasn't forging your post, I was making a commentary on what your argumentation sounds like in an amusing and creative manner.
There is a difference.
 

WyattEarp

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He has Concepts of Plans!!
The reality is no one who is on Obamacare will have the best insurance. It's not the Dems fault. It's just the way it is. There's probably not enough money to bring it in line with private insurance.

Fighting the defrauding of the U.S. government and excessive care is where they can have a chance to make Obamacare better. There's been some good ideas thrown around. Just throwing money at healthcare is not the answer.

I'm surprised we don't hear more about healthcare fraud in Canada on TERB.
 

WyattEarp

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Speaking of points going over your head

I wasn't forging your post, I was making a commentary on what your argumentation sounds like in an amusing and creative manner.
There is a difference.
No it's a forgery. You make your points on your posts. I make my points on mine. In any event, I see you cleaned up your forgery.

Incidentally, if you think the Ukraine should keep fighting and we should keep pumping money and armaments just say so. Then we can have a real discussion about how long we should keep at it.
 
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WyattEarp

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It's funny how, looking at Mitch's panic-tweeting, the GOP just kind of admits up front that Trump thinks being fact-checked is unfair to him,
I've seen people actually take this position before - that all fact-checking needs to be done by the other candidate, so that the bigger liar has the advantage.

That ABC did it all surprises me (CNN put into their rules that they wouldn't do that and I thought it was supposed to be the same rules).
Even though it probably wasn't much, I am sure any push back must have been viewed as wildly disrespectful and unfair by Trump and his supporters.
I don't have a problem with occasional fact checking but I think there were a couple of times the ABC moderators could have made a point with Kamala's comments. I won't bore the thread with the when and where because most of its noted here already.

If an area of discussion has a degree of subjectivity, the moderators should just stay out of it.
 
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richaceg

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He literally told his supporters that they only have to vote one more time, then it will be fixed.

He did claim in a later interview that he meant fixed as in he would fix things up so well that republicans would be so well supported that they would easily win, but
1: Trump is a pathological liar
2: That just doesn't make an sense, no matter how well he does, it is unlikely that would happen, and he is living in a narcisist dream land if he thinks that is a possibility
3: He already did try to overturn election results before and stage a coup in the last election he didn't go peacefully

You should know this, it's been in the news, it's been discussed his.

Your reply is dishonest or deluded, pick one.
I don't need to pick. I'm not an american voter....but, when Trump said he will build a wall, he built it...Kamala "Biden is in his best shape ever and cognitive" Harris didn't lie to you?
What's your pick?
 
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musky guy

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Trump vs Harris is not the normal debate as this one could well determine the election as it is tied.

Harrris is still new to the public and has been avoiding the press in order to get her act together and Trump may go off the rails with his rambling nonsense and dementia

I do not see Harris as a brilliant debater or even speaker when
she is off the teleprompter and Trump could not even beat Biden as Biden lost that debate Trump did not win

Trump always loses debate as he makes up whopper lies on the spot but his tactics work with the MAGA crowd

Harris has taken the path of being a being a feeling good candidate not about
being a good President but that is been thought out as people
vote on how they feel about a candidate

Will Trump stay on point? Will Harris attack Trump or talk about her plans?


Cast vote after tonights debate
it should only be about who is better for the country. if we had a fair unbiased media there wouldnt be a question. that was discusting last night the constant attacks on trump and the softballs they were throwing at harris the fact checks on trump they did on trump some of them were lies and harris was telling the same old lies about trump the mainstream media has dreampt up over the years and wont let them go when they have all been proven as lies. dictotor day one, bloodbath, fine people hoax thje list goes on and they just let lie all night 0 fact checks. what a surprise.
 
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dirtydaveiii

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Not to defend the monster, but I am pretty sure WWII caused a bigger spike
As for non emergency spikes [and I can't put the covid spike on Trump, unless you did not want to do any social distancing and let more people die] from the numbers I've seen pre covid and post covid spending, Biden has been doing much worse on the debt angle in terms of nominal numbers and the more important % of GDP. If you take out the covid spike, actually the deficit % of GDP has been growing at pretty much a similar rate.



And neither of these cunts have any desire to do anything about it. In times of economic growth a deficit of even 4 percent is insane, over 5 is treason.
percentagewise yes but dollarwise no. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/presidential-debate-how-much-debt-grow-under-biden-trump-terms
 

K Douglas

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Room 112

K Douglas

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Room 112
Correct but is it still what should be done. Have we not evolved above that? Me i think gun are no longer needed at all.
You don't live in the U.S. correct
 

dirtydaveiii

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it should only be about who is better for the country. if we had a fair unbiased media there wouldnt be a question. that was discusting last night the constant attacks on trump and the softballs they were throwing at harris the fact checks on trump they did on trump some of them were lies and harris was telling the same old lies about trump the mainstream media has dreampt up over the years and wont let them go when they have all been proven as lies. dictotor day one, bloodbath, fine people hoax thje list goes on and they just let lie all night 0 fact checks. what a surprise.
is english not your first language or have you been drinking excessively ? So Trump didnt say the following ? Or Harris should have known he was lying when he said the following which makes her the liar for quoting him ?
Trump then repeated his assertion. “I love this guy,” he said of the Fox News host. “He says, ‘You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said: ‘No, no, no, other than day one. We’re closing the border and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.’”

While speaking about the potential loss of U.S. auto manufacturing jobs to foreign countries, former President Donald Trump said if he isn’t elected, “it’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.”

Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name
 

dirtydaveiii

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So we will never see you here again. Good to know. Or were you Trumping us.

So just wondering, you back up and believe Trump so much. Is he giving you mouth sex? I mean you seemed kinda quick to assume that someone who pbjects to a psychotic pathalogical liar and an insurrectionist who is actively stating that future elections will be fixed must be because they were sexually abused, it's fair enough to ask if your support is because you find Trumps mouth soft and womanly.

"he didn’t lie to the extremes like you said. Kamala lied a lot too and the ABC people had extreme bias on fact checking only Trump. Everyone saw it."
Not everyone saw it, some of us live in the actual world. But hey you will never see this because you are quitting terb. RIght?
Nah JC will just make up a few more stupid user names and think hes fooling us like he does every time Trump proves hes a complete fuck up
 

dirtydaveiii

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not in this subforum, maybe I will stick to the lounge or sports. It’s like talking to “the view” on here. Too many clouded with hatred of the guy in this specific subforum to view things objectively. Came in civil but even I’ve gotten sucked into partaking in name calling and nasty insults. No civil discourse here. Thanks but no thanks.
dont let the door hit your dilated ass on the way out
 

kherg007

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I didn't think the debate was the blowout it has been portrayed. I still give Harris the W, but not the 10-5 or 10-6 (boxing 10 point must system), more 10-9 at best 10-8. Yes, Trump did firehose his lies about his economy but the fact Harris didn't respond I think was rather effective by Trump to folks who are too busy to dig up stats.

I think how she started out not answering the first question and went right into her campaign speech bugged me too.
She let a lot of things go. And Trump powered through the moderators on more than one occasion thus getting the final word much more than 50% of the time (I could be wrong, it felt that way). He did get 5 more minutes of speaking time. However, she gutted him on abortion and the crowd size thing made him look pathetic.

However, overall she accomplished goal #1 is she has a strong presence, gave the impression she was in charge, without coming across as a whinger. Thus more people now can envision her in charge. But IMHO it was not a blowout.
 
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