More Hunter Biden Bribe taking for Dad.

[Valcazar]

To be honest, I think you're probably right. I'd be shocked if Joe didn't pardon Hunter. But, I don't think this proves any quid pro quo or any of that bullshit. But, it could also depend on how long the sentence is.

I think it would depend a lot on what kind of sentence he got.
Fines and some kind of suspension from certain activities, community service, etc... no pardon.
Hell, even prison time on some kind of part-time basis probably no pardon.

The judge going for consecutive sentences and giving him 10+ years?
Pardon.

 

[Valcazar]

You're quite well versed regarding the employment of Wikipedia to provide cover for your obvious lack of knowledge regarding this topic that you proclaim supreme knowledge of, now, aren't you?

Yes, he is, but he's only partially wrong here.

The issue with bribery basically being impossible to prosecute now isn't an issue of the laws - it's the Supreme Court.
They ruled that the laws can only apply when it is basically so obvious that there was a quid pro quo that it effectively makes bribery impossible to prove.

The fact that many on the Supreme Court are taking bribes probably has nothing to do with this. How dare you think that.

 

[silentkisser]

So all Presidents pardon a list of people who either don't deserve it, or pay for them. Or for favors. It's so common the press only does a bit on it and allows it to fade. I agree Trump did a crapload too.

My point is, as always, to stop lionizing or vilifying by party. Because they really are a uni-party on so much.

I think the proof is in the fact Hunter did these things, too many times, for it not to be a pattern of behavior Joe knew about. And I believe enriching family members is just as bad. It's that simple.

Look, I'm not going to pretend that Joe is pure as the driven snow. But, I will also say that there is absolutely no evidence of wrong-doing on his part. Hunter is not the first (and likely won't be the last) relative of a politician to make a buck off his famous family. Billy Carter sold beer! I don't even want to get into Trump's kids...It just boggles my mind that the MAGAs want to ignore all the enrichment that Ivanka and Jared did while working in the White House. That's beyond the pale...

 

[Butler1000]

Look, I'm not going to pretend that Joe is pure as the driven snow. But, I will also say that there is absolutely no evidence of wrong-doing on his part. Hunter is not the first (and likely won't be the last) relative of a politician to make a buck off his famous family. Billy Carter sold beer! I don't even want to get into Trump's kids...It just boggles my mind that the MAGAs want to ignore all the enrichment that Ivanka and Jared did while working in the White House. That's beyond the pale...

I don't want to ignore it. I want laws that prevent it. Unfortunately BOTH parties don't. Or they would have done it, and be policing themselves.

And the enrichment goes well beyond the WH.

 

[Valcazar]

I don't want to ignore it. I want laws that prevent it.

Actually, that's an interesting point.
How would you write such a law?

Because you aren't talking about corruption or bribery laws, right?

You want a law saying "if you are related to a politician, you can't trade on your famous name", correct?
How would such a law work?

This isn't a gotcha question. It's a real problem with drafting such a law and I've never seen a really good answer proposed.

 

[kherg007]

Actually, that's an interesting point.
How would you write such a law?

Because you aren't talking about corruption or bribery laws, right?

You want a law saying "if you are related to a politician, you can't trade on your famous name", correct?
How would such a law work?

This isn't a gotcha question. It's a real problem with drafting such a law and I've never seen a really good answer proposed.

It's even wider...many celebrity relatives/friends try to catch the gravy train - Patrick Mahomes brother, the real life Kenny Kramer, not to mention the Roger Clinton's, Billy Carter, Neil Bush - even if they don't seek it they get advantages not available to the average Joes...like all president's kids do...

 

[Valcazar]

It's even wider...many celebrity relatives/friends try to catch the gravy train - Patrick Mahomes brother, the real life Kenny Kramer, not to mention the Roger Clinton's, Billy Carter, Neil Bush - even if they don't seek it they get advantages not available to the average Joes...like all president's kids do...

I think Butler is willing to limit it to relatives of political people.
But we will have to see.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

None has been presented.



He is.
That's how he knows Biden did it.



It would still help Trump, just not nearly as much.
Since they were doing so badly at it when the ROI was higher, there just isn't much point in putting effort in now.

yes according to the MAGA bible - evidence to the contrary or no evidence at all means your adversary is completely guilty. Unanimous jury verdicts are completely rigged if they are against Trump

 

[Frankfooter]

I think Butler is willing to limit it to relatives of political people.
But we will have to see.

The tricky part is writing a rule that excludes Ivanka, Eric and Don jr.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Actually, that's an interesting point.
How would you write such a law?

Because you aren't talking about corruption or bribery laws, right?

You want a law saying "if you are related to a politician, you can't trade on your famous name", correct?
How would such a law work?

This isn't a gotcha question. It's a real problem with drafting such a law and I've never seen a really good answer proposed.

yes any relative of a politican should be ordered to change their name in fear they might profit from it

 

[Butler1000]

Actually, that's an interesting point.
How would you write such a law?

Because you aren't talking about corruption or bribery laws, right?

You want a law saying "if you are related to a politician, you can't trade on your famous name", correct?
How would such a law work?

This isn't a gotcha question. It's a real problem with drafting such a law and I've never seen a really good answer proposed.

Banned from lobbying. That's the price to be elected. But a good deal of it could be mitigated through term limits of 6 as a congressman, 3 as a Senator. Own a company? On the board? That company is no longer eligible for govt contracts while they are in office. It will make companies actively avoid family.

Make them strict as shit.

Basically put the onus on the corporations to avoid the connection. Doing so also makes it more difficult to transfer bribes via family members.

 

[bver_hunter]

One interesting part of the new documentary that is currently making headlines known as "From Russia With Lev" is revealing as to how the FBI conspired with Trump through his crony called Rudy Giuliani to dig up some dirt with Hunter Biden. A lot of it was of course fake, but Russia was involved in it. Here we have the notorious Lev Parnas who was Giuliani's fixer now throwing both Giuliani and Trump under the bus with some stunning revelations!!

Documentary Shows Hunter Biden in Emotional Meeting With His One-Time Tormentor

Lev Parnas, a former associate of Rudy Giuliani and his fixer in Ukraine, struggled to contain his emotions as he apologized to the First Son for his role helping then-President Donald Trump seek out evidence of political nepotism, a quest that ultimately led to Trump’s first impeachment trial, as well as a series of criminal probes into Hunter Biden over drugs, money, and a gun.

“We get a second chance, both of us,” Hunter Biden told a crying Parnas. “Both of us,” Parnas replied with a fist-bump.

In the years since, Parnas has become an outspoken critic of Trump, calling him “unfit for office” and an aspirational dictator. He also has repeatedly and publicly repented for getting wrapped up in the right-wing effort to pressure Ukrainian officials to launch criminal probes in the Bidens for Hunter Biden’s role on the board of a Ukrainian energy company. In conservative circles, Hunter Biden’s position with Burisma is a manifestation of what is often—and incorrectly—short-handed to The Biden Crime Family. Parnas has testified to Congress that there’s no there there.

“I’m ashamed of myself. I truly believed that we were helping America. But looking back at it now, we destroyed America,” Parnas told the camera during the new film. “We have such division. People are at each other’s throats. And the sad part: that is exactly what Vladimir Putin wanted, and we gave it to him on a silver platter.”

Hunter Biden similarly knows the image rehabilitation tour circuit. He too published a book accounting for his fall from grace. Whereas Parnas got swept up in conspiracy theories and political dirty tricks and disinformation, Biden wrote his memoirs about his battle with addiction, which led him to thank Parnas during their meeting for making amends as if working a 12-step program.

During the meeting, which took place while Hunter Biden still planned to fight the tax charges, saw his payoff for appearing on camera with his one-time nemesis.
“How did they get my bank records? My bank records aren’t even on a computer,” Biden asked.

Parnas responded that the documents had been secretly subpoenaed by the FBI and circulated in conservative media. Giuliani also took them himself to the Department of Justice.

Biden, a graduate of Yale Law, then went further. “When did it cross over from being a hair-brained Rudy Giuliani operation in concert with Trump to the Department of Justice? When did Trump’s lackeys inside the Department of Justice begin to also conspire to take me on?”

The reply: Almost immediately.

Documentary Shows Hunter Biden in Emotional Meeting With One-Time Enemy

A new documentary ends with an emotional meeting of Hunter Biden and Lev Parnas, who apologized to Biden for helping Giuliani investigate Biden

time.com

 

[wigglee]

What about Hillary's emails, Butler ?????????????????????

 

[Butler1000]

What about Hillary's emails, Butler ?????????????????????

Lol. While she never faced the charges, it prevented her war mongering corrupt ass from ever seeing the Presidency. Well that and her arrogance, lack of empathy, bad campaigning and just being an all around shitty human being.

Good enough to have her live with that failure. Beaten by Trump. The one who lost to him.

 

[Butler1000]

One interesting part of the new documentary that is currently making headlines known as "From Russia With Lev" is revealing as to how the FBI conspired with Trump through his crony called Rudy Giuliani to dig up some dirt with Hunter Biden. A lot of it was of course fake, but Russia was involved in it. Here we have the notorious Lev Parnas who was Giuliani's fixer now throwing both Giuliani and Trump under the bus with some stunning revelations!!

Documentary Shows Hunter Biden in Emotional Meeting With His One-Time Tormentor

Documentary Shows Hunter Biden in Emotional Meeting With One-Time Enemy

A new documentary ends with an emotional meeting of Hunter Biden and Lev Parnas, who apologized to Biden for helping Giuliani investigate Biden

time.com

Lol. He is guilty by admission and confession

 

[bver_hunter]

Lol. He is guilty by admission and confession

How about Trump's guilty verdict on 34 felony counts, his sexual assault, that was proven in a court of law, that you cannot accept.......... because it is pending some appeals? ROTFLMAO!!

 

[Butler1000]

How about Trump's guilty verdict on 34 felony counts, his sexual assault, that was proven in a court of law, that you cannot accept.......... because it is pending some appeals? ROTFLMAO!!

When the appeal is settled sure. There is grounds. As for the alleged sexual assault is was a civil trial and the burden of proof is essentially 51%.

Imagine if some girl you knew in school.and had drunk sex with came back today to sue you. Would you just plead guilty and give up?

Hunter PLEAD guilty. Because the evidence was so overwhelming he knew he would lose. And he has done it imo so daddy can pardon him. Which is the most TRUMPIAN thing Biden could do.

 

[bver_hunter]

When the appeal is settled sure. There is grounds. As for the alleged sexual assault is was a civil trial and the burden of proof is essentially 51%.

Imagine if some girl you knew in school.and had drunk sex with came back today to sue you. Would you just plead guilty and give up?

Hunter PLEAD guilty. Because the evidence was so overwhelming he knew he would lose. And he has done it imo so daddy can pardon him. Which is the most TRUMPIAN thing Biden could do.

Trump was found to be guilty on all 34 counts by all the jurors, based on the evidence provided in Court. The Supreme Court stated that a sitting President cannot be charged for crimes while they were in office. These charges were before he was elected as a President. Hence he is guilty, plus he was impeached twice. What else do you need? Hunter Biden is not running for President. Trump in his debate mentioned that the charges against him were weaponized by the present administration. But on the contrary we saw how he did exactly that against Biden's son, by involving the FBI and Giuliani in this whole fiasco. Also we know that Biden and Harris has nothing to do with the investigations into Trump's criminal activities!!

 

[Frankfooter]

When the appeal is settled sure.

You're presumed innocent until trial but if the trial finds you guilty you are guilty until, if ever, it gets overturned.
rump is a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist

 

[Butler1000]

Trump was found to be guilty on all 34 counts by all the jurors, based on the evidence provided in Court. The Supreme Court stated that a sitting President cannot be charged for crimes while they were in office. These charges were before he was elected as a President. Hence he is guilty, plus he was impeached twice. What else do you need? Hunter Biden is not running for President. Trump in his debate mentioned that the charges against him were weaponized by the present administration. But on the contrary we saw how he did exactly that against Biden's son, by involving the FBI and Giuliani in this whole fiasco. Also we know that Biden and Harris has nothing to do with the investigations into Trump's criminal activities!!

The question remains about the nature of the charges.