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Skoob

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The difference is, that Canada is doing it to first, be in line with the US and second they make no bones about it. It is to raise the price of Chinese EVS to not put North American products at a disadvantage. Trump does it by claiming he's benefitting the tax payer which is a bunch of nonsense. He is doing it for his own personal vendettas.
Trump was proposing to do it for the same reasons. Was criticized for it.

Trudeau does it...crickets.

You're smart enough to see the hypocrisy here right?
 

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Here are the nitty gritty details with a timeline from 2018 till now.
Also includes the settlement in 2019 by the WTO between the US and the EU allowing up to 100% tariffs to be imposed on goods.
It includes the tarrifs imposed by the EU and the UK as well.
https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-biden-tariffs/
Note that it only includes the tariffs the Trump administration imposed, not the 45% he promised on all Chinese manufactured goods.
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nyt...ays-he-favors-big-tariffs-on-chinese-exports/
Also Trump now wants to impose, if elected, a 60% tarriff on all goods from China and a 10% tariff on all goods imported into the US, thereby nullifying all pst negotiated trade deals with all th US trading partners.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...fs-needed-other-vehicles-products-2024-05-14/
My point in case you missed it:


Back in 2018, lawmakers of both parties greeted President Donald Trump’s decision to slap tariffs on Chinese imports with widespread derision.
Six years later, most members of Congress are applauding President Joe Biden’s extension — and in some cases, expansion — of those tariffs, if not calling for him to go even further.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/15/biden-tariff-reaction-trump-00158043
 

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Trump was proposing to do it for the same reasons. Was criticized for it.

Trudeau does it...crickets.

You're smart enough to see the hypocrisy here right?
Trump does it claiming China will pay huge money in Taxes to the US when the reality is China doesn't give the US a penny due to tariffs, you are smart enough to know how and what tariffs accomplish right?
 

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Trump did an across the board tarrif, imports from China into the US stayed at about the same level after Trump tarrif so it did not motivate domestic displacement of Chinese goods, ultimately the US consumer burdened the cost of the tarrif and reaped no rewards like manufacturing jobs.

The US and Canada has had targeted tarrifs on Chinese steel and aluminum before Trump and JT were in power.
 

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Trump does it claiming China will pay huge money in Taxes to the US when the reality is China doesn't give the US a penny due to tariffs, you are smart enough to know how and what tariffs accomplish right?
It's not about how tariffs work. It's really about protectionism.
Trump was criticized for it.
Biden maintained the same/more tariffs, was not criticized for it.
Trudeau was not criticized for it.

It's about hypocrisy.
 

Skoob

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Here's a question, skoob.

Do you think Canada had zero tariffs before this?
Here's a better question...why was Trump criticized for tariffs and Biden and Trudeau were not?

Trump accused of Protectionism and the other two were not.

See the hypocrisy trend? Need pictures?
 
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It's not about how tariffs work. It's really about protectionism.
Trump was criticized for it.
Biden maintained the same/more tariffs, was not criticized for it.
Trudeau was not criticized for it.

It's about hypocrisy.
Again, Trump brought Taffiffs in for the wrong reason. His Tariffs raised the prices on many items for the wrong reasons in his mind. HE BELIEVES China is paying for it, they are not the citizens are with higher prices.

Biden has not removed them but Harris isn't planning on imposing more like the Trump administration is. Read, and read some more, you need to be enlightened with facts instead of fiction.

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-biden-tariffs/

I am going to assume that Biden didn't pull any Tariffs off so to not allow Trump a talking point of claiming Biden is in bed with China. I could be completely off the mark but it's just my speculation.
 
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Again, Trump brought Taffiffs in for the wrong reason. His Tariffs raised the prices on many items for the wrong reasons in his mind. HE BELIEVES China is paying for it, they are not the citizens are with higher prices.

Biden has not removed them but Harris isn't planning on imposing more like the Trump administration is. Read, and read some more, you need to be enlightened with facts instead of fiction.

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-biden-tariffs/

I am going to assume that Biden didn't pull any Tariffs off so to not allow Trump a talking point of claiming Biden is in bed with China. I could be completely off the mark but it's just my speculation.
The link:
  • The Biden administration has kept most of the Trump administration tariffs in place, and in May 2024, announced tariff hikes on an additional $18 billion of Chinese goods, including semiconductors and electric vehicles, for an additional tax increase of $3.6 billion.
  • We estimate the Trump-Biden tariffs will reduce long-run GDP by 0.2 percent, the capital stock by 0.1 percent, and employment by 142,000 full-time equivalent jobs.

Yes it's been said before: Biden/Harris are basically taking Trump's Tweets, cleaning the grammar up and running with them. :)
 
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Here's a better question...why was Trump criticized for tariffs and Biden and Trudeau were not?

Trump accused of Protectionism and the other two were not.

See the hypocrisy trend? Need pictures?
Your utter lack of understanding of any issue is really quite amazing.
Not all taxes are good or bad, not all tariffs are good or bad, not all people are good or bad.

You can't tell the difference.
 

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Yep, there goes that. Let's get rid of gas-powered cars in the next 10 years AND let's double the price of affordable Chinese EVs.

Mr. Musk thanks you for your service, Justin :D
Canada was not importing any EV's that the tariff would apply to before this announcement.
 

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Again, Trump brought Taffiffs in for the wrong reason. His Tariffs raised the prices on many items for the wrong reasons in his mind. HE BELIEVES China is paying for it, they are not the citizens are with higher prices.

Biden has not removed them but Harris isn't planning on imposing more like the Trump administration is. Read, and read some more, you need to be enlightened with facts instead of fiction.

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-biden-tariffs/

I am going to assume that Biden didn't pull any Tariffs off so to not allow Trump a talking point of claiming Biden is in bed with China. I could be completely off the mark but it's just my speculation.
Biden added more. But let's not let facts get in the way here.

You are not understanding my point. Both Biden and Trump imposed tariffs for the same reasons. Trump was criticized, Biden wasn't.

Is that point too difficult to understand?
 
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Biden added more. But let's not let facts get in the way here.

You are not understanding my point. Both Biden and Trump imposed tariffs for the same reasons. Trump was criticized, Biden wasn't.

Is that point too difficult to understand?
No, it was not for the same reason and that is the point you are missing. Biden only added extra tariffs to help the up-and-coming EV industry.
 

Skoob

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No, it was not for the same reason and that is the point you are missing. Biden only added extra tariffs to help the up-and-coming EV industry.
Really?


Key Finding
  • The Trump administration imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products valued at approximately $380 billion in 2018 and 2019, amounting to one of the largest tax increases in decades.
  • The Biden administration has kept most of the Trump administration tariffs in place, and in May 2024, announced tariff hikes on an additional $18 billion of Chinese goods, including semiconductors and electric vehicles, for an additional tax increase of $3.6 billion.
  • We estimate the Trump-Biden tariffs will reduce long-run GDP by 0.2 percent, the capital stock by 0.1 percent, and employment by 142,000 full-time equivalent jobs.
  • Academic and governmental studies find the Trump-Biden tariffs have raised prices and reduced output and employment, producing a net negative impact on the US economy.

You can read the more details using the link below, but clearly tariffs were for the same reasons.
Trump was criticized; Biden wasn't.

That is the point you keep missing.

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-biden-tariffs/
 

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I know it's hard for you to not distract to the Conservatives on every response you have, but this is not about Poilievre.

It's also not about whether tariffs are good or bad.

It's about hypocrisy.

The hypocrisy are with his Canadian adorers and butt kissers. Remember that he was not imposing tariffs only on China. But Canada was no different than China in this respect according to Trump. The whole idea was to wreck the Canadian economy at the expense of his own ego and he did it to Canada as well. This is what we were concerned about and did not give a heck about him imposing it on China. Sure The Liberal Govt. was right to slam him for it. Look, even some of The Republicans condemned him for it:

Top Republicans slam Trump's anti-Canada tirade, metals tariffs
'I frankly commend Canada for its measured and sober response,' U.S. senator says


So, tell me whether it was right for him to impose these tariffs on Canada or was it wrong for him to do so? Let's hear the real hypocrisy!!
 

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The hypocrisy are with his Canadian adorers and butt kissers. Remember that he was not imposing tariffs only on China. But Canada was no different than China in this respect according to Trump. The whole idea was to wreck the Canadian economy at the expense of his own ego and he did it to Canada as well. This is what we were concerned about and did not give a heck about him imposing it on China. Sure The Liberal Govt. was right to slam him for it. Look, even some of The Republicans condemned him for it:

Top Republicans slam Trump's anti-Canada tirade, metals tariffs
'I frankly commend Canada for its measured and sober response,' U.S. senator says


So, tell me whether it was right for him to impose these tariffs on Canada or was it wrong for him to do so? Let's hear the real hypocrisy!!
The problem is that skoob understands tariffs not even as well as rump, his rapist hero.

 

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The problem is that skoob understands tariffs not even as well as rump, his rapist hero.

Of course Trump lies about how tariffs do work. Trump was rambling in a very incoherent manner when questioned about childcare, then going in a tangent how he is going to pay for it by imposing tariffs on foreign goods. He blatantly lied that taxpayers will not be paying for it. Obviously, he cannot comprehend that at the end of the day the taxpayers have to pay for these tariffs, as this is how the sellers have to recover the cost associated with the tariffs!!
 
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