Blue Jays 2024
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That very well could be the case. It’s all speculation at this point we don’t really know what they’re doing. I’m very interested in seeing how quickly they extend Guerrero and deal with the front office issues.
Philip
The only reason the Jays might have a chance, is because if Shatkins has another off season like the one they had this year, they'll be axed.
Hopefully a first round draft pick for the Jays next season!
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Philip, let's look at three big contracts from the Los Angeles Angels:
1) Albert Pujols, 10 years, $210 Million, ($30 Million deferred), 2012-21. [Free Agent]
Pujols was 32 when he joined the Angels, following 11 seasons in St Louis when he was arguably the best player in the Majors for the first decade of the 2K century.
Pujols had one season as an All Star for the Angels, and he had 3 postseason games played, (2014 ALDS). The Angels released Pujols 1.5 months into the last year of his contract, but he finished his career strongly after returning to the National League.
2) Mike Trout, 12 years, $426 Million, 2019-30, [Extension]
Mike Trout could potentially finish his MLB career with the highest WAR of all time, (currently 86.2). Since signing the extension, however, Trout has only played in 52% of the Angels' games from 2019-2024, (453/870). To paraphrase Lou Gehrig, he might consider himself to be 'the unluckiest man on the face of the Earth', when it comes to injuries.
Like Pujols, Trout has 3 postseason games on his resume, batting .083 with one Homerun in the 2014 ALDS; none during the extension
3) Anthony Rendon, 7 years, $210 Million, 2020-26. [Free Agent]
Rendon had 7.1 WAR in 2019 for the World Series Champion Washington Nationals. He has 3.7 WAR to date in almost five complete seasons with the Angels, and only 1.5 WAR after the 2020 COVID season. He has no postseason action with the Angels; 2014 was their last appearance.
If the Blue Jays try to go for a 'quick fix' by spending large on extensions and big buck free agent bats, it will be interesting to see which of the Jays or Angels plays in the postseason first.
I get the feeling that Angels' owner Arte Moreno can be satisfied with being left out of the dance every year, as long as he will live to see the day when Trout wears an Angels cap on his Coopertown bust.
Philip, let's look at three big contracts from the Los Angeles Angels:
1) Albert Pujols, 10 years, $210 Million, ($30 Million deferred), 2012-21. [Free Agent]
Pujols was 32 when he joined the Angels, following 11 seasons in St Louis when he was arguably the best player in the Majors for the first decade of the 2K century.
Pujols had one season as an All Star for the Angels, and he had 3 postseason games played, (2014 ALDS). The Angels released Pujols 1.5 months into the last year of his contract, but he finished his career strongly after returning to the National League.
2) Mike Trout, 12 years, $426 Million, 2019-30, [Extension]
Mike Trout could potentially finish his MLB career with the highest WAR of all time, (currently 86.2). Since signing the extension, however, Trout has only played in 52% of the Angels' games from 2019-2024, (453/870). To paraphrase Lou Gehrig, he might consider himself to be 'the unluckiest man on the face of the Earth', when it comes to injuries.
Like Pujols, Trout has 3 postseason games on his resume, batting .083 with one Homerun in the 2014 ALDS; none during the extension
3) Anthony Rendon, 7 years, $210 Million, 2020-26. [Free Agent]
Rendon had 7.1 WAR in 2019 for the World Series Champion Washington Nationals. He has 3.7 WAR to date in almost five complete seasons with the Angels, and only 1.5 WAR after the 2020 COVID season. He has no postseason action with the Angels; 2014 was their last appearance.
If the Blue Jays try to go for a 'quick fix' by spending large on extensions and big buck free agent bats, it will be interesting to see which of the Jays or Angels plays in the postseason first.
I get the feeling that Angels' owner Arte Moreno can be satisfied with being left out of the dance every year, as long as he will live to see the day when Trout wears an Angels cap on his Coopertown bust.
3rd HR of the night for Kyle Schwarber. Chad Green gets lit up again!!
Here's why Rogers is not committed to winning Championships:
Breakdown of Rogers shareholders:
Less than one-quarter of Rogers' voting stock is held by individuals, and many of them are not necessarily Baseball fans, or fans of the Blue Jays, specifically.
The vast majority of these shareholders are very interested in seeing a rise in value for the shares they own, and a nice dividend when the annual financial performance is released. How that money is generated does not necessarily interest them.
As long as a high percentage of the stadium is filled with paying spectators, and an acceptable number of cable subscribers are watching the advertising between innings, all is hunkydory at the owner's end. Many team owners realize that when they win a Championship, everyone responsible at the on-field level wants a big raise. Being just good enough that overly-optimistic fans who believe in miracles and Disney movie plots think that 'going all the way' might happen seems to generate the projected profit margin.
Imagine that you are a 2025 MLB free agent, coveted by multiple teams. Is your first choice going to be a team in a foreign country, coming off a 75ish wins season, with a stadium that has an artificial turf field, and with a front office universally hated by most of its fan base?
Breakdown of Rogers shareholders:
Less than one-quarter of Rogers' voting stock is held by individuals, and many of them are not necessarily Baseball fans, or fans of the Blue Jays, specifically.
The vast majority of these shareholders are very interested in seeing a rise in value for the shares they own, and a nice dividend when the annual financial performance is released. How that money is generated does not necessarily interest them.
As long as a high percentage of the stadium is filled with paying spectators, and an acceptable number of cable subscribers are watching the advertising between innings, all is hunkydory at the owner's end. Many team owners realize that when they win a Championship, everyone responsible at the on-field level wants a big raise. Being just good enough that overly-optimistic fans who believe in miracles and Disney movie plots think that 'going all the way' might happen seems to generate the projected profit margin.
Imagine that you are a 2025 MLB free agent, coveted by multiple teams. Is your first choice going to be a team in a foreign country, coming off a 75ish wins season, with a stadium that has an artificial turf field, and with a front office universally hated by most of its fan base?
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Watching him pitch, has almost become as special as watching Ken Griffey Junior play with his dad on the Seattle Mariners in 1990…… well not really lol, but Francis pitching has become special nonetheless.
Philip
Jays fire their pitching co-ordinator. That in itself is not major, but the potential domino effect and implications will be interesting to follow.
Here's a good article:
Blue Jays fire pitching coordinator in what could be first of many moves (jaysjournal.com)
As per Arden Zwelling of Sportsnet, firing Popham is “part of a larger, ongoing restructuring within the club’s player development system.” That seems logical given how weak player development has been for the Blue Jays organisation for years now.
The farm system has been ranked bottom third since the 2022 preseason, and despite some glimpses from Davis Schneider last year and some of the rookies led by Spencer Horwitz this year, the last impact pitcher developed by Toronto’s system was Alek Manoah, who made his MLB debut on May 27, 2021.
The 2024 season has not been kind to Blue Jays pitching in general, but their top prospect ranks have been decimated by injury, with Ricky Tiedemann, Brandon Barriera and Landen Maroudis all undergoing reconstructive elbow surgery along with Manoah. Could the pitching coordinator be to blame for a system that put too much physical stress on younger, developing arms?
As per Harvard Business Review, “when organization design problems arise, managers often focus on the most glaring flaws and, in the process, make the overall structure even more unwieldy and even less strategic.” Good organisational design often starts from the top, so going after the pitching coordinator may be seen by some as a front office blame game, with Popham thrown under the proverbial bus to protect those above him in the player development hierarchy.
Let’s be honest: scouting and player development have been serious weaknesses for the current Blue Jays’ organisation. The inability of the farm system to provide waves MLB-ready talent has been particularly painful this year in the bullpen, where the team couldn’t call up competitive replacements for the flailing Tim Mayza, Trevor Richards and Erik Swanson, or the injured Jordan Romano.
The result has been an MLB-worst reliever FIP of 4.94, with an fWAR of -2.3 — a full two wins worse than the second-worst bullpen in Colorado, which plays half of their games a mile high. That’s due to poor drafting, poor trades and yes, dumpster diving by general manager Ross Atkins.
So, if Shapeero made so many lousy choices in the development area, including (and especially) Atkins, why would anyone think he knows how to pick good people now?
Here's a good article:
Blue Jays fire pitching coordinator in what could be first of many moves (jaysjournal.com)
As per Arden Zwelling of Sportsnet, firing Popham is “part of a larger, ongoing restructuring within the club’s player development system.” That seems logical given how weak player development has been for the Blue Jays organisation for years now.
The farm system has been ranked bottom third since the 2022 preseason, and despite some glimpses from Davis Schneider last year and some of the rookies led by Spencer Horwitz this year, the last impact pitcher developed by Toronto’s system was Alek Manoah, who made his MLB debut on May 27, 2021.
The 2024 season has not been kind to Blue Jays pitching in general, but their top prospect ranks have been decimated by injury, with Ricky Tiedemann, Brandon Barriera and Landen Maroudis all undergoing reconstructive elbow surgery along with Manoah. Could the pitching coordinator be to blame for a system that put too much physical stress on younger, developing arms?
As per Harvard Business Review, “when organization design problems arise, managers often focus on the most glaring flaws and, in the process, make the overall structure even more unwieldy and even less strategic.” Good organisational design often starts from the top, so going after the pitching coordinator may be seen by some as a front office blame game, with Popham thrown under the proverbial bus to protect those above him in the player development hierarchy.
Let’s be honest: scouting and player development have been serious weaknesses for the current Blue Jays’ organisation. The inability of the farm system to provide waves MLB-ready talent has been particularly painful this year in the bullpen, where the team couldn’t call up competitive replacements for the flailing Tim Mayza, Trevor Richards and Erik Swanson, or the injured Jordan Romano.
The result has been an MLB-worst reliever FIP of 4.94, with an fWAR of -2.3 — a full two wins worse than the second-worst bullpen in Colorado, which plays half of their games a mile high. That’s due to poor drafting, poor trades and yes, dumpster diving by general manager Ross Atkins.
So, if Shapeero made so many lousy choices in the development area, including (and especially) Atkins, why would anyone think he knows how to pick good people now?
Agree. Alternative is a few solid, all star candidate guys in a good year, but not super stars for less money
Injury bug is not a huge problem and if they are solid players they will take turns lighting up the bases as solid players will get hot so, you have a star bat in lineup just not the same guy all the time
Get ones with speed and decent defence and you will win IMHO
Super Stars ask for huge money if they perform or not and they get it as they put bums in seats before they take their first at bat but so will a winning team without super stars and we still have Vlad
Hmmm. Would Matt Chapman qualify? He just signed at $25M/yr for 6 years. $151M
