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She's probably a bigger star than he.

Actually, he autographed a ball for her.
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Only in Canada. Most people only care about swimming for a couple of weeks every four years. They remember Michael Phelps and Mark Spitz. How many people even know the name of the woman who won nine Olympic gold medals in swimming?
 
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Not really a doubleheader, because the first game was a continuation of a suspended game. The game on June 26 was rained out in the 2nd inning.

I'm not sure when the rule was changed. Traditionally any game halted by rain before becoming official, (five full innings, or 4 1/2 completed, with the home team leading), would be a 'washout', and would be replayed in its entirety. No statistics from washed out games were official. That rule prevented Jimmy Foxx from tying Babe Ruth's record for 60 home runs in a season. In 1932, Foxx hit 58 HRs officially, but two more were in 'wash out' games, so they don't count.

Games which end prematurely* in which five or more full innings have been played with the score tied have traditionally been considered 'tied' games. All statistics count, and the game would also be replayed in full, unless the game could not be rescheduled, AND it was irrelevant for post season inclusion.

* rain/ inclement weather, darkness, curfew, electrical failure, and insects have caused games to end prematurely. In some cities, an inning cannot begin after a certain time at night. At one time, there was a curfew for Sunday games which didn't apply to other days of the week. There have been some instances when flying insects have made it impossible, in the Umpires' opinion, for play to continue. I think any game in which nine or more innings had been completed, with the score tied, were considered to be suspended games, rather than tied games, with the game to be resumed at a later date, if that was possible and relevant to the post season.

Suspended games occur when the score was tied after the last completed inning, but the visiting team took the lead in the top of an inning which was not completed. A game can also be suspended if a Manager's protest is upheld by the Commissioner's Office.

If the visiting team is trailing after the last completed inning, but they take the lead in the top of an inning which is not completed, I'm not sure what happens now; most likely the games would be suspended, and resumed at a later date. At one time, the statistics from the incomplete inning would be 'washed out', the score would revert to what it was at the end of the last completed inning, and the home team would win.
 
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Only in Canada. Most people only care about swimming for a couple of weeks every four years. They remember Michael Phelps and Mark Spitz. How many people even know the name of the woman who won nine Olympic gold medals in swimming?
Who? Katie Ledecky?

Guranteed, outside of N. America nobody knows Vladdy or gives a shit about MLB. Maybe Japan and the Caribbean.

Swimming is an international sport, just like track or skiing.

Anyways, just my opinion.
 

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I’ve got a little bit of a funny feeling this is going to be an interesting wildcard dreaming September lol. They are one bona fide cleanup hitter away and one left-handed starter away from being serious. Addison Barger has me pretty thrilled. When this guy finds it and officially has a game plan and an exact mental approach, he’s going to be unbelievable.

I am actually interested in seeing Bo Bichette come off the IL and hopefully have a strong September. I would love for him to clarify all of this shit talk speculation and I would love for them to work things out and for him to stay in Toronto. What an awesome lead off guy for 2025.

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Who? Katie Ledecky?

Guranteed, outside of N. America nobody knows Vladdy or gives a shit about MLB. Maybe Japan and the Caribbean.

Swimming is an international sport, just like track or skiing.

Anyways, just my opinion.
My point is that only a few swimmers are International celebrities. If you asked Canadians to name five non-Canadian swimmers other than Michael Phelps and Mark Spitz, Lia Thomas' name would probably be mentioned more often than most multiple Olympic gold medalists.

Olympic swim races are exiting to watch, but the participants' names are not necessarily remembered beyond the closing ceremonies. Swimmers don't get a lot of prominent endorsement contracts, and there's no pro league to which they can graduate. A very few get jobs as TV commentators, some will guest star as themselves on a CBS sitcom, and most of the rest will either attempt to make a living as a motivational speaker, or they will get a regular job, like anyone else.
 
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I’ve got a little bit of a funny feeling this is going to be an interesting wildcard dreaming September lol.

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The Jays' remaining opponents:

6 vs Red Sox, (3 away, 3 home); 3 away vs Twins, Braves, Rangers and Rays; 2 home vs Phillies, 3 home vs Mets, Cardinals and Marlins.

The Jays should have some difficulty finishing better than 10 games under .500. Every win they get between now and September 29 lessens their chances of getting a top 5 pick in next year's amateur draft.
 
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The Jays' remaining opponents:

6 vs Red Sox, (3 away, 3 home); 3 away vs Twins, Braves, Rangers and Rays; 2 home vs Phillies, 3 home vs Mets, Cardinals and Marlins.

The Jays should have some difficulty finishing better than 10 games under .500. Every win they get between now and September 29 lessens their chances of getting a top 5 pick in next year's amateur draft.
Why are you so depressing? Lol. I’m a big believer in go hard and go big and team confidence and team chemistry. Finish this season strong!

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Why are you so depressing? Lol. I’m a big believer in go hard and go big and team confidence and team chemistry. Finish this season strong!

Philip
I'd rather have a better shot at drafting top amateur talent. In team sports, you're better off in the long run if you finish dead last than if you finish just out of the playoffs.

The 2022 Pittsburgh Pirates went 62-100, tied for the third-worst record in Major League Baseball, but they won the Draft Lottery. This allowed them to select Paul Skenes, who is already a Cy Young Award contender this year, with 3 1/2 months of Major League experience. The Pirates will also be able to pay him peanuts for the next few years.

Teams win Championships by having a lot of young, cheap, controllable talent at the Major League and high minor league levels. This gives them the salary flexibility to overpay for free agents who fill their needs, or it gives them the trade chips to acquire the stars of teams in rebuilding mode.

Your finish strong motto will ensure that the Jays remain mediocre longer. Rogers is counting on fans like you, who are eternally optimistic when faced with the unpleasant truths of a team without enough talent to contend, and a lot of big salaries being paid to players whose performance is average at best, and unlikely to improve with age.

You suggest that Rogers say 'fuck the cap. Spend, spend, spend', but if they do that two seasons in a row, their top draft choice position will drop 10 spots.

That's a good strategy if a team is trying to go from Division Series contender to World Series contender. It's a poor strategy if a team is trying to go from a 75 win season to marginally over .500, but still out of the postseason. In a nutshell, the Jays need to get worse, before they can get better.
 
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Teams win Championships by having a lot of young, cheap, controllable talent at the Major League and high minor league levels. This gives them the salary flexibility to overpay for free agents who fill their needs, or it gives them the trade chips to acquire the stars of teams in rebuilding mode.
Are you referring to the 1983 World Series champion Baltimore Orioles? lol

They don’t ….teams win championships with a combination of a good young core and a few big salary thumpers. I think the Blue Jays are in a perfect position to be that type of team. Like I said they are 2/3 pieces away. Left-handed starter, bona fide cleanup, and one bullpen stud.

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onomatopoeia has me on his ignore list so he won't read this...lol, but I totally agree. If just a few of these young bloods can do what they are doing next year, the Jays get another decent bat + pitcher, and clean the bullpen, the team is going to be decent. If Bo has a more normal year, or we trade him for a decent piece that will have a huge impact as well. If Vladdy and Springer don't suck for the first half the season, the offence will no longer be that bad. They definitely need to clean up the bullpen. I think it's 28th in the league or some shit. Cleaning up your bullpen can usually be cheap and the Jays will spend this off season.
YouTube and just about everything online has been blown up talking about Bo wanting out of Toronto. This thing is so crazy sometimes with the way the trending rumour mill starts. Unless I’m missing something, Bichette never said that… it’s all been he said she said. He said he wouldn’t be surprised if he was traded and he respects the Giants organization…. Big deal. I would love for him to come back in September and clarify this and work everything out with this organization. Extending Vlady and extending Bichette by 2/3 years giving him a chance to reset his value is something I’m a big fan of. I’m probably in the minority with this thinking.

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Are you referring to the 1983 World Series champion Baltimore Orioles? lol

They don’t ….teams win championships with a combination of a good young core and a few big salary thumpers. I think the Blue Jays are in a perfect position to be that type of team. Like I said they are 2/3 pieces away. Left-handed starter, bona fide cleanup, and one bullpen stud.

Philip
The Jays need a catcher, a shortstop soon, at least one outfielder, multiple starting pitchers after next season, and several bullpen upgrades. Many of their players are good enough to play in the Major Leagues, but not good enough to play regularly, or regularly for a winning team.

I'm not being pessimistic, I'm being realistic.

For about $85 Million, the Jays have Gausman, Bassitt, Berrios and Springer under contract for 2025. The four of them combined have 3.5 Wins Above Replacement in 2024. At their ages, it's unrealistic to expect significant improvement from any of them, with the possible exception of Berrios. Extending Guerrero will likely mean that half of the team payroll would go to five guys. There also aren't a lot of top tier 2025 free agents who would seriously consider coming to Toronto.

The Jays can't trade to fill their holes, without creating different holes to fill.
 
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The Jays need a catcher, a shortstop soon, at least one outfielder, multiple starting pitchers after next season, and several bullpen upgrades. Many of their players are good enough to play in the Major Leagues, but not good enough to play regularly, or regularly for a winning team.

I'm not being pessimistic, I'm being realistic.

For about $85 Million, the Jays have Gausman, Bassitt, Berrios and Springer under contract for 2025. The four of them combined have 3.5 Wins Above Replacement in 2024. At their ages, it's unrealistic to expect significant improvement from any of them, with the possible exception of Berrios. Extending Guerrero will likely mean that half of the team payroll would go to five guys. There also aren't a lot of top tier 2025 free agents who would seriously consider coming to Toronto.

The Jays can't trade to fill their holes, without creating different holes to fill.
….perhaps you have not been watching these games recently? From what I see, I don’t see the need for multiple starting pitchers or multiple bullpen arms. Yes I do agree with you for the catcher requirement. Jimenez has been showing promise, and they don’t need a shortstop. I’m still wishfully thinking Bichette can work this out. At least for two more seasons. For someone that claims the Blue Jays need to trade their assets to get even younger …. Perhaps you’re not watching them lately. Would love to see a return of Jansen, Kikuchi, and one bullpen arm. Plus they need a real deal cleanup hitter. I’m OK with trading Chris Bassett.

You are being a pessimist. During yesterday‘s broadcast, Buck Martinez also said the Blue Jays need to extend Vladimir Guerrero asap to show the rest of the league and other potential free agents that they are indeed serious. This needs to be the first order of business during the off-season: Something else you don’t agree with! Sorry, I guess you know more than Buck Martinez. I still think you care a little bit too much about Rogers budget. So what if it increases by 40 million. But I’m sure they can maneuver things where it won’t even need to.

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My point is that only a few swimmers are International celebrities. If you asked Canadians to name five non-Canadian swimmers other than Michael Phelps and Mark Spitz, Lia Thomas' name would probably be mentioned more often than most multiple Olympic gold medalists.

Olympic swim races are exiting to watch, but the participants' names are not necessarily remembered beyond the closing ceremonies. Swimmers don't get a lot of prominent endorsement contracts, and there's no pro league to which they can graduate. A very few get jobs as TV commentators, some will guest star as themselves on a CBS sitcom, and most of the rest will either attempt to make a living as a motivational speaker, or they will get a regular job, like anyone else.
OK.

Keep in mind, she's only 17 and she probably has at least 2 more solid Olympics in her to reach Phelps/Spitz stratosphere. Unfortunately there's no metric by which to compare level of fame.

Do you think that Vladdy can tour the US as a motivational speaker? LOL
 

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Vlady should have gotten her autograph. She's an unusual beauty, a Pict with a Roman nose.

Now that Vlady has breathed in her pheromones, nothing will stop him from mashing 40 dingers.
 

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YouTube and just about everything online has been blown up talking about Bo wanting out of Toronto. This thing is so crazy sometimes with the way the trending rumour mill starts. Unless I’m missing something, Bichette never said that… it’s all been he said she said. He said he wouldn’t be surprised if he was traded and he respects the Giants organization…. Big deal. I would love for him to come back in September and clarify this and work everything out with this organization. Extending Vlady and extending Bichette by 2/3 years giving him a chance to reset his value is something I’m a big fan of. I’m probably in the minority with this thinking.

Philip
I totally agree. He's never said he wanted out of Toronto, and I never believe what any of these guys say, especially youtubers which is why I don't really watch any of them. They don't know anything more then we do.

Having that said, I do the believe the club has shopped him around do have interest in movie him because they can get a good return on him.
 
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….perhaps you have not been watching these games recently? From what I see, I don’t see the need for multiple starting pitchers or multiple bullpen arms. Yes I do agree with you for the catcher requirement. Jimenez has been showing promise, and they don’t need a shortstop. I’m still wishfully thinking Bichette can work this out. At least for two more seasons. For someone that claims the Blue Jays need to trade their assets to get even younger …. Perhaps you’re not watching them lately. Would love to see a return of Jansen, Kikuchi, and one bullpen arm. Plus they need a real deal cleanup hitter. I’m OK with trading Chris Bassett.

You are being a pessimist. During yesterday‘s broadcast, Buck Martinez also said the Blue Jays need to extend Vladimir Guerrero asap to show the rest of the league and other potential free agents that they are indeed serious. This needs to be the first order of business during the off-season: Something else you don’t agree with! Sorry, I guess you know more than Buck Martinez. I still think you care a little bit too much about Rogers budget. So what if it increases by 40 million. But I’m sure they can maneuver things where it won’t even need to.

Philip
Be careful, he might put you on "ignore"...lol.
 
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