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[Frankfooter]

They are talking about indirect casualties in the letter, not battlefield casualties.

It is specifically not about battlefield casualties.

To quote the letter itself...



They are talking about the eventual final death numbers after months and years once the shooting stops.

Yes, this is also what I've been arguing here for months.
Aside from the dead counted at the few remaining hospitals there are thousands buried in rubble, and so many more thousands close to death from injury, starvation and disease.

The likely total killed by Israel is likely at least 186,000 according to the letter published by the Lancet.
You're not trying to argue that those who die from injury, are buried in rubble or dying from starvation, water deprivation or disease are not dying because of Israeli action, are you?

Even noting that this includes Palestinians who are dying and will die as a result of Israeli genocidal actions in the future isn't important. Israel genocide up to this point will likely lead to 186,000 total dead. Continuing the genocide will continue to increase these numbers, with as the letter notes, conservatively 4x the number directly killed. Every day that this genocide continues those numbers will increase.

The question is whether you still think its pragmatic to continue to support this genocide, which you have admitted is a genocide, with these numbers.
Is there a limit to how much genocide its pragmatic to support? Or once you're in with genocide do you back it regardless of how far it goes?

 

[Valcazar]

Yes, this is also what I've been arguing here for months.
Aside from the dead counted at the few remaining hospitals there are thousands buried in rubble, and so many more thousands close to death from injury, starvation and disease.

The likely total killed by Israel is likely at least 186,000 according to the letter published by the Lancet.
You're not trying to argue that those who die from injury, are buried in rubble or dying from starvation, water deprivation or disease are not dying because of Israeli action, are you?

Of course not.

Like I said, their estimate is a completely plausible one.

But they aren't battlefield casualties, which is what you said.

 

[Frankfooter]

Of course not.

Like I said, their estimate is a completely plausible one.

But they aren't battlefield casualties, which is what you said.

I don't think I said that, valcazar.
Its a genocide in the world's largest open air prison, there is no 'battlefield' just as there is no safe area.
Using that term is incorrect in this case.

If you think its worthwhile differentiating between those killed directly by bombs, missiles, drones and snipers vs those who are being systematically starved, deprived of water and health care or dying slowly by injury and lack of care that's your choice.

 

[Valcazar]

I don't think I said that, valcazar.

Post 99.

 

[Frankfooter]

Post 99.

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Its not in that quote.
Try again.

 

[shack]

This is likely the best estimate at the true number of those killed by israel.

You are a pathological liar. It does not say that.

This is why you have no credibility. Your lack of integrity is also being called out in the Ontario thread.

 

[shack]

I read it, nothing valcazar has said disputes what I've been saying.

You say the letters are vetted and he says that they are not. What do you call that?

you should understand what is meant by 'the Lancet says'.

You should understand what it means when Valcazar says "the Lancet says nothing".

Bottom line, your headline was a total lie that has been thoroughly debunked. The Lancet said nothing and nobody accused Israel of killing 186,000.

 

[Frankfooter]

You are a pathological liar. It does not say that.

This is why you have no credibility. Your lack of integrity is also being called out in the Ontario thread.

shack counter:
58 accusations of lying, 46 intentional misquotes (straw man arguments) - 0 proof

That is what it says, Shazi.
That the total dead as a result of the Israeli genocide will be at least 186,000 based on the numbers when they were published by the Lancet.
As I've been saying here for months, Israel is killing through bombs, missiles, starvation, water deprivation and disease.

 

[Frankfooter]

You say the letters are vetted and he says that they are not. What do you call that?

You should understand what it means when Valcazar says "the Lancet says nothing".

Bottom line, your headline was a total lie that has been thoroughly debunked. The Lancet said nothing and nobody accused Israel of killing 186,000.

shack counter:
59 accusations of lying, 46 intentional misquotes (straw man arguments) - 0 proof

If you think they publish letters without being vetted you should write them and prove it by getting published.
If you can't get published, its because you weren't vetted.

Easy test for you, Shazi.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1825311828710183113

 

[shack]

That the total dead as a result of the Israeli genocide will be at least 186,000 based on the numbers when they were published by the Lancet.

Why must you incessantly lie?

Show us the quote from the study sent as a letter to the editor of the Lancet that says that Israel is responsible for 186,000 deaths. I defy you to produce it.

Produce that statement and I won't post in Politics for a week. If you can't produce then you don't post for 3 days. More than fair terms.

Do you accept? I know you won't because you are cowardly and can't back up your lie. You continue to embarrass yourself and cement your rep.

 

[Frankfooter]

Why must you incessantly lie?

Show us the quote from the study sent as a letter to the editor of the Lancet that says that Israel is responsible for 186,000 deaths. I defy you to produce it.

Produce that statement and I won't post in Politics for a week. If you can't produce then you don't post for 3 days. More than fair terms.

Do you accept? I know you won't because you are cowardly and can't back up your lie. You continue to embarrass yourself and cement your rep.

The Lancet letter references the ICJ charges of genocide against Israel. Everyone knows exactly who are the genocidal maniacs, Shazi.
Read the ICJ ruling yourself if you think there is any doubt.

Documenting the true scale is crucial for ensuring historical accountability and acknowledging the full cost of the war. It is also a legal requirement. The interim measures set out by the International Court of Justice in January, 2024, require Israel to “take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of … the Genocide Convention”.11

11.

• International Court of Justice

Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip.
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf
Date: 2024
Date accessed: May 3, 2024

 

[shack]

The Lancet letter references the ICJ charges of genocide against Israel. Everyone knows exactly who are the genocidal maniacs, Shazi.

Which has nothing to do about you claiming that Israel has killed 186,000. It never said that. It never came to that conclusion. The letter referencing the ICJ is not a conclusion of the study. You lied. Are you taking that bet to back up your claim? Can you find where the study clearly states that Israel is responsible for 186,000 deaths as your fabricated headline said.

No quote for you to provide is proof of another lie from you. You will cowardly slink away and not take the bet because you know the headline was false. No blame was assigned to any party.

 

[Frankfooter]

Which has nothing to do about you claiming that Israel has killed 186,000. It never said that. It never came to that conclusion. The letter referencing the ICJ is not a conclusion of the study. You lied. Are you taking that bet to back up your claim? Can you find where the study clearly states that Israel is responsible for 186,000 deaths as your fabricated headline said.

No quote for you to provide is proof of another lie from you. You will cowardly slink away and not take the bet because you know the headline was false. No blame was assigned to any party.

Its not hard, Shazi.
1) The letter applies standard battlefield stats to estimate that 186,000 Palestinians will die from Israeli actions up the report.
2) The letter refers to the ICJ to assign blame for those idiotic enough to question who is dropping all those bombs on Gaza.

We know who is dropping those bombs, Shazi.

 

[Leimonis]

what I see from this graph is that Israel must have been exceptionally careful not to bomb civilians.

In Dresden 25,000 people were killed with 3,900 tons.
Now Gaza is bombed with 70,000 tons which is 17 times more, and kills only 40,000 or so, which is not even double of Dresden casualties. At Dresden rate, 70,000 tons would have killed 25k x17 = 425,000 people.

Check and mate, team hamas guess they don't teach arithmetic at those UNRWA schools

 

[Frankfooter]

what I see from this graph is that Israel must have been exceptionally careful not to bomb civilians.

In Dresden 25,000 people were killed with 3,900 tons.
Now Gaza is bombed with 70,000 tons which is 17 times more, and kills only 40,000 or so, which is not even double of Dresden casualties. At Dresden rate, 70,000 tons would have killed 25k x17 = 425,000 people.

Check and mate, team hamas guess they don't teach arithmetic at those UNRWA schools

The letter published by the Lancet says that Israel has likely killed at least 186,000 Palestinians in Gaza.
Looks like Israel is targeting civilians.

 

[Leimonis]

The letter published by the Lancet says that Israel has likely killed at least 186,000 Palestinians in Gaza.
Looks like Israel is targeting civilians.

so now your entire genocide claim is hanging on a letter? Hanging on a snot would be more reliable

 

[Frankfooter]

so now your entire genocide claim is hanging on a letter? Hanging on a snot would be more reliable

Nope, that's just the most accurate estimate of the number zionists have killed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1808229415878644068

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1807299909684494740

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810682298028679425

 

[Leimonis]

Nope, that's just the most accurate estimate of the number zionists have killed.

so hamas ministry of health said 40k but you are trying to be more hamas than hamas?

 

[Frankfooter]

so hamas ministry of health said 40k but you are trying to be more hamas than hamas?

You could always call for a ceasefire to count.
But of course that would imply you had a limit to how much genocide you'll back and I don't think you have one.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1825344673495310458

 

[Leimonis]

You could always call for a ceasefire to count.

you are a lot more bloodthirsty than I thought you want 180k dead where even hamas counted 40k and you want a ceasefire which would guarantee repeat of October 7
you secretly love this shit