Zionists need to be deported from Palestine.
As per the ICJ ruling.
Israel at war
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As per the ICJ ruling.
While the US cautions against escalation, this happens….with US weapons. If this isn’t escalation, what is?
TONE DEAF TO GENOCIDE
Just because the other guy is worse, you don't stop holding her feet to fire for her moral decreptitude.
By M. Gessen
Opinion Columnist
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At a campaign rally in the Detroit area on Wednesday, Kamala Harris was speaking about the threat of Project 2025 and the Trump agenda when a small group of protesters interrupted her. I couldn’t make out their words, but it was reported that they were shouting something about Gaza. Harris reacted with her trademark “I am speaking now.” The protesters persisted. Harris’s tone grew stern. “You know what?” she said. “If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that. Otherwise, I’m speaking.” She continued, to cheers from the crowd. The protesters were escorted out.
When I watched a video of this scene, my heart sank. It reminded me of another interruption, at a Democratic fund-raiser at a nightclub in New York, 32 years ago. Bill Clinton was speaking when Bob Rafsky, a member of the AIDS activist group ACT UP, stood up to challenge him on his plans to deal with the AIDS epidemic. “We’re dying,” Rafsky said. Clinton engaged at first, saying he was running for president “to do something about it.” Rafsky continued to shout. Clinton became angry. “Would you just calm down?” he said.
I knew Rafsky. I was a member of ACT UP, and a journalist covering AIDS in the gay press. When Clinton said, “Calm down,” I heard, Some things are more important than your life. In campaign math, this was probably true: Only a fraction of a percent of Americans were living with AIDS. Clinton had statistically bigger issues to address.
Yes, before her Detroit speech, Harris met very briefly with a group of pro-Palestinian activists. But at the rally, I heard the same steely political calculus in Harris’s admonition to the protesters: She has to focus on beating Trump, not on a genocide occurring 6,000 miles away and affecting about two million people, some of whom are related to or have close ties with a small fraction of the American electorate for which the war in Gaza is a decisive issue in this election. And, like people confronting AIDS in 1992, Palestinian Americans and others who want an end to Israel’s war should know that the other candidate would be even worse.
Such reasoning is as statistically sound as it is tone-deaf and emotionally blind. It appears that at least one of the protesters at the rally is of Palestinian descent. And given the demographics of the Detroit area, it is quite likely that others in the crowd were Palestinian Americans, very possibly with family and friends in Gaza who are at risk of being killed, whether by bombing, disease or starvation in the coming months, if they are not dead already.
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Rafsky died in February 1993, one month into the first Clinton administration. In November 1992, on the eve of the presidential election, he gave a speech standing by the coffin of another ACT UP member, Mark Fisher, who had asked that his body be carried through the streets of New York in protest.
It was raining. Rafsky was emaciated. Purple Kaposi sarcoma lesions on his face and neck told us — told him — that he had only months left to live. He was furious: “George Bush, we believe you’ll be defeated tomorrow because we believe there’s still justice left in the universe, and some compassion left in the American people.” He was refusing to believe in a world in which a president who had been apparently indifferent to the deaths of more than 100,000 Americans could be re-elected.
The Biden administration has supported Israel, has sent it arms as it has pursued its relentless retaliatory onslaught against the people of Gaza. The administration has barely tempered its support even as, reportedly, around 40,000 people have died, a majority of them women and children. If Trump is elected, Israel will almost certainly be even more emboldened. If Harris is elected, there is a chance, though by no means a guarantee, that the United States will gradually turn away from its decades-long policy of unconditional military, political and economic support of Israel.
Most Democratic voters, even most voters who care about Israel-Palestine, can probably see themselves voting for Harris, knowing that her administration will not bring immediate relief to the Palestinian people, because they also know that on this and other issues, a Harris administration will be better than a Trump one. But some voters are like Rafsky: They cannot stand to live in a world in which Joe Biden’s vice president, who has not voiced any disagreement with the administration’s Middle East policies, wins the presidency. It’s not that they want Trump to win; it’s that the level of political cynicism they are being asked to adopt feels unbearable.
These voters are not choosing between Harris and Trump. They are choosing between their sense of themselves as moral beings if they vote for Harris and their sense of themselves if they vote for a third-party candidate or for no one at all. Some of them were among the more than 100,000 people who voted “uncommitted” in Michigan’s Democratic primary in February to send a message of opposition to Biden’s support for Israel.
If they vote for Harris in November, what will that say to the people of Gaza — that they’d held their noses while people died? What will they tell their children — that politics is the game of the possible, and sometimes it’s just not possible to stop a genocide? What will they tell themselves to be able to sleep at night?
For these voters, the psychic price of voting for Harris — of voting at all — is extremely high. It is possible that they could be convinced to pay this price, because, of course, they know, just as I do, that a Harris Middle East policy would be infinitely preferable to a Trump one. But they have to be convinced, not dismissed.
Harris has to acknowledge their existential pain, the unbearable burden of living, in some cases, with the daily fear for loved ones, their sense of alienation from a world that seems indifferent to 2,000-pound bombs and to the infliction of starvation. For a campaign that has started positioning itself as caring, humanistic and kind, the failure to acknowledge this pain and this fear is especially jarring.
Isn't that an interesting admission.
Yes.
It's a tragic misunderstanding of what voting is about given the system they are voting in.
Why do you think its a misunderstanding of the system if they find there is an issue that means they can't support a politician.
Why do you blame the voters instead of the politician, does Harris understand the system she is in?
Palestine isn't a recognized state. How can someone be deported from something that doesn't exist?
How can someone be so wrong, so continually?
Palestine is not a sovereign state. Palestine does not have a vote at the UN.
Only because Israeli is illegally occupying and trying to colonize and settle Palestine.
Israel needs to abide by the ICJ ruling and end the occupation.
And to pay restitution.
How much will the restitution for the Gaza genocide be?
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The New York Times has always favored Israel in its editorial writings, but no Times’ columnist compares to Bret Stephens, whose writings are chauvinistic and bellicose., Stephens, a former editor of the Jerusalem Post and a supporter of all Israeli policies, left the Wall Street Journal to...
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Which really means, "Shut up and vote for who the Elites tell you to. We know better than the unwashed masses"
Yeah, why have carefully worked out diplomatic policy platforms when you should just immediately let whatever whahoos crash your rally, scream at you and then do whatever they order you to do??
Good point, bro! You always hit the nail!
Aiding a genocide for AIPAC cash is hardly a carefully worked out diplomatic policy when its given you the label 'Genocide Joe', made the US globally hated and lead the middle east very close to starting a major war.
Backing someone who is about to be issued ICC warrants for genocide is not a smart move diplomatically.
Thank you for agreeing that Palestine is not a sovereign state. The reasoning is irrelevant as to the accuracy of my statement.
And once again, Geno, if they'd only accepted that land that they were offered in 1948, things would be a lot different. Bad decisions by bad leaders have repercussions. The Palestinians have been the masters of their own demise.
Harris clearly understands the system she is in.
As we've discussed before, you don't.
To be fair, you are not remotely alone in this.
Ah, we are back to you claiming superior insight.
You are on record for arguing:
1) You need third parties for democracy
2) If you vote for a third party you don't understand democracy
3) Its pragmatic to vote for aiding genocide
Look at this list.
It's clear you aren't ever going to understand the issue, or even what I am saying on it.
