Get ready Kamala fans...this is just the beginning

WyattEarp

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Outside factors are always going to play a role.
Job numbers, tensions getting worse or better in the middle east, China doing something dramatic, etc.
Not much to be done about that except roll with them as they come.
There's nothing really to disagree with your post except that the economy is always a top political issue. Rolling with it as it comes is quite an understatement.

Inflation was something that hit everyone differently. Generally, lower income American were hit harder while those with higher incomes were benefiting from inflated asset values (stocks, real estate). The economic adjustment that I see coming (or already here) will impact almost everyone.

While I tend to think a global recession was inevitable and is going to impact the U.S. one way or another. Economic factors can affect the incumbent Administration's message. Suddenly, Bidenomics is scrutinized against this backdrop. It will be interesting to see if Kamala can separate herself from the Biden Administration.
 
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That's always been the conundrum. As far as VP's go, Kamala is fine in the job. There's never been a high bar.

I think U.S. politics is all about DEI every which way. Kamala's VP choice is going to be a white dude. Biden was the white dude on Obama's ticket and Pence was the white, Christian dude. It's safe to say Obama earned his trip to the White House.

However, we've never been in this situation. We have had Presidents die and resign. The VP becomes the President and that's that. Vice Presidents have also run for the Presidency and had to earn it through the primary process.

Kamala Harris has no individual electoral success at the national level. Her ascent to Democratic nominee is realistically a default appointment.
Why is that a game-changer? Those who don't want to vote for her are still free to refrain.

When Biden was nommed in 2020, did he have any individual success at the national level?.... Not really. He rode Obama's coat tails.
 

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Kamala Harris has no individual electoral success at the national level. Her ascent to Democratic nominee is realistically a default appointment.
Still way more experience than rump had before his run.
As VP you don't get anything better as experience.
 
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This guy looks like he understands politics really well and it would be safe to follow his lead
The question is will Trump stick to all the free lifetime buffets he offered the fella to wear the t-shirt.
 

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Why is that a game-changer? Those who don't want to vote for her are still free to refrain.

When Biden was nommed in 2020, did he have any individual success at the national level?.... Not really. He rode Obama's coat tails.
It's very simple. Biden won primaries to get the nomination. We don't have a parliamentary system where the party members decide who will be the party leader.

Whether we use the phrase "game-changer" which you introduced, her expected nomination is unprecedented. I think it's fair for Republicans to point out that she didn't earn the nomination. Kamala can't be cordoned off from such criticism. They should however be careful how hard they push on DEI.

All in all, the Democrats are in a better place with her than Biden.
 

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It's very simple. Biden won primaries to get the nomination. We don't have a parliamentary system where the party members decide who will be the party leader.

Whether we use the phrase "game-changer" which you introduced, her expected nomination is unprecedented. I think it's fair for Republicans to point out that she didn't earn the nomination. Kamala can't be cordoned off from such criticism. They should however be careful how hard they push on DEI.

All in all, the Democrats are in a better place with her than Biden.
If Trump collapses from a stroke or a coronary in early September, won't the same situation propel JD Vance into the presidential nomination?
 

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Latest battleground polls have Trump beating Harris in all States except for Michigan


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If Trump collapses from a stroke or a coronary in early September, won't the same situation propel JD Vance into the presidential nomination?
First, I suspect Vance would be subject to criticism of not being the people's choice. Probably from you in fact.

More importantly, your hypothetical relies on many of us suspending our belief that Biden was cognitively impaired months prior to the June debate. You and others can believe time caught up with Biden in June. Republicans will continuously remind voters of what appeared to be an effort from the Biden team and many Democratic leaders to conceal this decline.
 
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Latest battleground polls have Trump beating Harris in all States except for Michigan


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Kamala has so much work to do that I wouldn't give any poll much credence. The Trump campaign also has to find its footing post-Biden. I wouldn't start paying attention until mid-September.
 
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First, I suspect Vance would be subject to criticism of not being the people's choice. Probably from you in fact.
I would support a Vance candidacy with my dying breath. A man that esteemed and accomplished deserves a chance to hump the WH couches.
More importantly, your hypothetical relies on many of us suspending our belief that Biden was cognitively impaired months prior to the June debate. You and others can believe time caught up with Biden in June. Republicans will continuously remind voters of what appeared to be an effort from the Biden team and many Democratic leaders to conceal this decline.
I'm sure Biden was a senile as Methuselah throughout the last year or so of his tenure. And it's not the place of his staffers to act as whistleblowers and Joe himself likely doesn't realize how much he has deteriorated.

Trump's senile too.

So you're 0 for 2, Earp.
 

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Kamala has so much work to do that I wouldn't give any poll much credence. The Trump campaign also has to find its footing post-Biden. I wouldn't start paying attention until mid-September
Agreed, but @squeezer seems to think Kamaltoe has this election already wrapped, so I have to bring him back down to reality
 
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WyattEarp

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I would support a Vance candidacy with my dying breath. A man that esteemed and accomplished deserves a chance to hump the WH couches.

I'm sure Biden was a senile as Methuselah throughout the last year or so of his tenure. And it's not the place of his staffers to act as whistleblowers and Joe himself likely doesn't realize how much he has deteriorated.

Trump's senile too.

So you're 0 for 2, Earp.
I think you're lost somewhere in this conversation. I'm just explaining to you how some will perceive the nomination of Kamala Harris and how it's fair to raise this point. Your hypothetical is a reasonable point, but Kamala's "coronation" is the reality.

Are you keeping a lifetime scoring tab between us? In fairness, could you let me know when the conversation turns to competitive scoring? Thanks.
 
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