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So you're saying Hamas is as evil as Israel but its ok when Israel does it cuz Hamas?
That isn't what I am saying and there is no way that someone who can actually read would take that talking point from what I said.

Lets see if I can explain it to you, I got time to waste.

You tossed around the supporting a rapist claim
I point out that hamas via a source you respect [and not a source simply publishing a letter to an editor] a source that you cite that Hamas is guilty of rape [as well as murder and civilian taking]

That makes you are supporter of rapists which makes your accusation either very hypocritical or a case of horrid evil game recognizing horrid evil game.

Now if you were inventing some atrocity that the Israeli government was doing like that lie that they are trying to kill everyone they can get their hands on when both the body count and their efforts to avoid MDKing civilians shows this is not true AND I responded solely with a Hamas do the rape [which is true] then you can counter with pointing out that I didn't counter your initial claim and give tacit [is that the word] approval of your claim.

However in this case, you made so such claim in terms of what I responded to, so this does not imply.

See how that works?

I think it's funny/sad that when I slam into you for defending Hamas not by proving they did not commit horrible acts but by making claims against Israel [which are often proved to be wrong] which means one can infer that you admit that Hamas are horrible cunts, that you don't fully understand the rhetorical device that I am using, in so far that you used it incorrectly.

Also Israel does shit, but it is either, nowhere near the scale of Hamas, not official policy, an unavoidable effect of attacking an enemy that has dug itself into built up areas and specifically hides in civilian rich targets because they know who will get the blame leaving Israel with the unacceptable choice of attacking an unfortunate spot or just letting terrorists run buck wild... you know Hamas effectively holding their own people as hostage human shields, or I think this is 4th doing a reasonable action to keep a country with a very weak geographical defense safe when surrounded by people who either have stated goals to exterminate them or wouldn't mind seeing them wiped off the face of the earth but gave up after having their asses handed to them decade after decade.

So to answer you question, what Israel does is nothing at all like what Hamas does
The biggest point of this, the IDF often provides warnings to civilians when they attack which is horrible military strategy that gets your own people killed to minimize Gaza dead, Hamas tells their people to stay put to maximize their bodycount because as the terb hate squad Indian professor of logic pointed out, they need a lot more bodies to manipulate the west into defending [my words their evil]

I shared a news report not from twitter or some right wing Israel source but IIRC Reuters.

Israel is trying to minimize dead at the expense of their own soldier's lives, Hamas is trying to prevent this to get their own people killed. People like you want Gaza to be piled high with corpses because like Hamas you know you need to separate the west from Israel at the very least to have a chance and you are willing to do that over the bodies of the people in Gaza. This is also why Hamas did their murder rape hostage taking spree specifically targeting civilians [as opposed to the IDF who kills civilians as collateral damage, even the US army kills allied troops in war as Jimmy Carr uses for comedic effect, it's unavoidable]. Hamas started shit knowing Israel MUST respond and knowing full well what would happen to them. If anyone is a menace to Gaza it's Hamas. And that is what makes your repeated claims of genocide this and genocide that so gauling. A bit like a Neo Nazi wondering why that bad man Churchill picked on that nice man Hitler and people bitching about the WWII bombing campaigns, A bombs? Rape of Nanking, UNit 731, Three All campaigns, POW treatment, Comfort women, that's why.

Fuck around, find out. Even worse, they knew they would find out, they wanted to find out and the more they find out the better they think it is for them.

See this is how you counter a claim, by ripping it apart not by going, nu uh your people did XYZ.
 
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Frankfooter

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My views aren't extreme right wing. So your argument falls on its face just like you do Mr. Marx.

In a democracy, someone can support whoever they want. That's what a democracy is. Obviously you don't really believe in democracy when you attack people for not having the same political opinions as you do and support assassination attempts on political rivals.
And yes, not condemning an assassination attempt and making light of it is indeed supporting it.

Similar to how you support homophobes by constantly using their posts as your moral compass.

You don't seriously believe you're fooling anyone here do you comrade?
Your views are extremist, skoob.
You want to lower minimum wage, are against unions, want to lower Canadian worker wages by 90%, want to give away public assets to corporate donors, are against the application of law, back coup attempts and an extreme right wing cult.

You branded yourself as a fascist.

If your logic made sense you'd also be saying that fascism is the logical conclusion of right wing policies.
 
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Frankfooter

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That isn't what I am saying and there is no way that someone who can actually read would take that talking point from what I said.

Lets see if I can explain it to you, I got time to waste.

You tossed around the supporting a rapist claim
I point out that hamas via a source you respect [and not a source simply publishing a letter to an editor] a source that you cite that Hamas is guilty of rape [as well as murder and civilian taking]

That makes you are supporter of rapists which makes your accusation either very hypocritical or a case of horrid evil game recognizing horrid evil game.

Now if you were inventing some atrocity that the Israeli government was doing like that lie that they are trying to kill everyone they can get their hands on when both the body count and their efforts to avoid MDKing civilians shows this is not true AND I responded solely with a Hamas do the rape [which is true] then you can counter with pointing out that I didn't counter your initial claim and give tacit [is that the word] approval of your claim.

However in this case, you made so such claim in terms of what I responded to, so this does not imply.
The reports of rape by Hamas are all sourced down to Haka and one retracted NYT story. The UN and HRW reports only say that Israel has made these accusations and should be investigated, not that they happened. I support that, investigate and find out if they are bullshit. To this day there are no names of victims, no direct testimonies on record and no confirmed evidence. So go to it, take it to court and see what you can find, if you find evidence I'll back the charges. There's the difference, no matter what evidence on the Israeli side is presented you won't accept it.

See how that works?


Also Israel does shit, but it is either, nowhere near the scale of Hamas, not official policy, an unavoidable effect of attacking an enemy that has dug itself into built up areas and specifically hides in civilian rich targets because they know who will get the blame leaving Israel with the unacceptable choice of attacking an unfortunate spot or just letting terrorists run buck wild... you know Hamas effectively holding their own people as hostage human shields, or I think this is 4th doing a reasonable action to keep a country with a very weak geographical defense safe when surrounded by people who either have stated goals to exterminate them or wouldn't mind seeing them wiped off the face of the earth but gave up after having their asses handed to them decade after decade.
There is no metric on which you can realistically make this claim.
Israel has likely killed 186,000 Palestinians with about 40,000 dead counted now.
Israel has anally raped prisoners to death, is on the UN blacklist for killing the most children, has created the most child amputees in the world, has killed the most journalists in a war ever, had destroyed every school and hospital in Gaza and is in the midst of a genocide that has used bombs, starvation and disease.

There is nothing that comes close to that kind of evil by any group since the nazis.

Your claim of human shields is bullshit on all levels, its not happening and it doesn't justify or excuse genocide.
So to answer you question, what Israel does is nothing at all like what Hamas does
The biggest point of this, the IDF often provides warnings to civilians when they attack which is horrible military strategy that gets your own people killed to minimize Gaza dead, Hamas tells their people to stay put to maximize their bodycount because as the terb hate squad Indian professor of logic pointed out, they need a lot more bodies to manipulate the west into defending [my words their evil]
Also bullshit, warning someone you're going to kill them doesn't mean its now ok to kill them.



Israel is trying to minimize dead at the expense of their own soldier's lives, Hamas is trying to prevent this to get their own people killed. People like you want Gaza to be piled high with corpses because like Hamas you know you need to separate the west from Israel at the very least to have a chance and you are willing to do that over the bodies of the people in Gaza. This is also why Hamas did their murder rape hostage taking spree specifically targeting civilians [as opposed to the IDF who kills civilians as collateral damage, even the US army kills allied troops in war as Jimmy Carr uses for comedic effect, it's unavoidable]. Hamas started shit knowing Israel MUST respond and knowing full well what would happen to them. If anyone is a menace to Gaza it's Hamas. And that is what makes your repeated claims of genocide this and genocide that so gauling. A bit like a Neo Nazi wondering why that bad man Churchill picked on that nice man Hitler and people bitching about the WWII bombing campaigns, A bombs? Rape of Nanking, UNit 731, Three All campaigns, POW treatment, Comfort women, that's why.

Fuck around, find out. Even worse, they knew they would find out, they wanted to find out and the more they find out the better they think it is for them.

See this is how you counter a claim, by ripping it apart not by going, nu uh your people did XYZ.
This is the wife beaters defence taken to the level of a nazi.
'they made us genocide them because.....'

Look at this one charge.
50% of Gaza are children.
Israel is intentionally starving 1 million children and depriving them of all medical care.
This is nazi level fucking evil, there is absolutely no justification for starving children to death.
none



 

Valcazar

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Wrong...the second trial was about defamation not a verdict about rape.

Distorting the facts and spreading misinformation is your greatest strength and weakness.

But we all know that which is why no one trusts you.

The second trial was about whether or not its legally correct to say rump is a rapist.
The judge said it is.

You can pretend its not true but nobody cares, you're still a rapist cheerleader, skoob.
That all depends on what you consider the first and second trial.

Because the trial referred to as E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump I was paused and then Carroll II happened first.

So you two might just be using different references here.

Carrol I was a defamation case.

Carrol II was about defamation and battery.

The bit about the judge saying "Yes, you can legally call Trump a rapist" is a counterclaim defamation lawsuit filed by Trump that was dismissed, since he was claiming that being called a rapist was defamation, which the judge said was simply untrue.

So you two probably just need to agree about which is the "first" and which is the "second" trial while you are arguing.
 

Skoob

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Who do you think your fooling JC ?
Why can't you answer a simple question?
Who is JC?

One of your long lost lovers? Imaginary friend?

Want to keep avoiding the question? Ok.

From now on I'll just call you BS. Fair?
 

Skoob

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Your views are extremist, skoob.
You want to lower minimum wage, are against unions, want to lower Canadian worker wages by 90%, want to give away public assets to corporate donors, are against the application of law, back coup attempts and an extreme right wing cult.

You branded yourself as a fascist.

If your logic made sense you'd also be saying that fascism is the logical conclusion of right wing policies.
Ummm no. That's just you making shit up again and putting words in people's mouths.
I'm against public sector unions. You know...the ones that hold the public hostage while not providing services we've already paid for.
Everything else you mentioned is just pure bullshit but we all know that's what you spew when you want to troll for attention.

Just because you're a Communist doesn't mean everyone who disagrees with you is a Fascist.

It just means you're a Communist and people prefer democracy and freedom over your ideology.

Accept it and move on. No need to lash out at the truth comrade.
 

Skoob

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That all depends on what you consider the first and second trial.

Because the trial referred to as E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump I was paused and then Carroll II happened first.

So you two might just be using different references here.

Carrol I was a defamation case.

Carrol II was about defamation and battery.

The bit about the judge saying "Yes, you can legally call Trump a rapist" is a counterclaim defamation lawsuit filed by Trump that was dismissed, since he was claiming that being called a rapist was defamation, which the judge said was simply untrue.

So you two probably just need to agree about which is the "first" and which is the "second" trial while you are arguing.
Did the jury find that the allegation of rape was true? No.

The rest is semantics.

I rest my case.
 
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Frankfooter

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Ummm no. That's just you making shit up again and putting words in people's mouths.
I'm against public sector unions. You know...the ones that hold the public hostage while not providing services we've already paid for.
Everything else you mentioned is just pure bullshit but we all know that's what you spew when you want to troll for attention.

Just because you're a Communist doesn't mean everyone who disagrees with you is a Fascist.

It just means you're a Communist and people prefer democracy and freedom over your ideology.

Accept it and move on. No need to lash out at the truth comrade.
You've argued against all unions and declared people who work at minimum wage jobs 'lazy'.
The other day you were arguing that factory work should be paid 90% less to compete with China.

You support corruption and argue for might over right.
That's very fascist.

You should learn a little history.

 

Frankfooter

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Did the jury find that the allegation of rape was true? No.
The two juries found that they believed Carroll and not rump, awarding her $5 million for his slander than $85 million when kept it up.
Those two juries believed rump raped Carroll.
The third judge was charged with saying whether it was legally correct to call rump a rapist, which he agreed.

All 3 of those trials found Carroll trustworthy but not rump.

Fascist leaders always lie to their cult, its one of the markers of fascism.
 
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Communism is exactly the end goal of socialism. Socialism is exactly the goal of leftists. Maybe you haven't come to terms with that yet and figured out the relationship. Could be the indoctrination having it's affect on you.
Once again you confuse Social Democracy, Socialism and Communism. Remember that Capitalism can be Democratic or even Undemocratic like the Autocratic Nations, including the Neo-Nazi admiring Nations!!

So are you against Free Healthcare, Education, Social Security, State Pensions for all like we have it in Canada? Maybe you consider the likes of Austria, Belgium, France, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Switzerland, The United Kingdom, and The Nordic countries to be "Communist" as they are lumped into The Social Democratic Nations Category!!
 
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Valcazar

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Did the jury find that the allegation of rape was true? No.

The rest is semantics.

I rest my case.
Oh, we are back to the "It only matters what the specific legal ruling in that specific state is" are we?
Cute.

As I mentioned in the other thread, if you believe that the only thing that matters is official legal judgment, then I get to call Trump a rapist, since it was legally adjudicated that this is the correct term.

Your pretend obsession with legal semantics doesn't actually help here.
 

Leimonis

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As I mentioned in the other thread, if you believe that the only thing that matters is official legal judgment, then I get to call Trump a rapist, since it was legally adjudicated that this is the correct term.
I believe we all get to call trump a rapist based on that judges decision (and many do). It's not defamation.
 

Skoob

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The two juries found that they believed Carroll and not rump, awarding her $5 million for his slander than $85 million when kept it up.
Those two juries believed rump raped Carroll.
The third judge was charged with saying whether it was legally correct to call rump a rapist, which he agreed.
More misinformation from you...here's what the jury reported.

No rape.

You're lying.

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Skoob

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You've argued against all unions and declared people who work at minimum wage jobs 'lazy'.
The other day you were arguing that factory work should be paid 90% less to compete with China.

You support corruption and argue for might over right.
That's very fascist.

You should learn a little history.

I've argued against public sector unions so you're lying again.

I never said anything about factory workers getting paid 90% less than China. I said your idea to have other countries increase their labour costs by unionization was a pie dream. SO you're lying again.

I support democracy, you don't. That's a fact I have proven over and over again. So you're lying again.

Your only arguments are based on lies.
 

Frankfooter

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More misinformation from you...here's what the jury reported.

No rape.

You're lying.

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Different trial, skoob.
You know its a different trial and are trolling.


In other words, you don't support and accept verdicts when they don't jive with your narrative.
Sounds like the only sore loser here is you sunshine.





That's not even including this one, the pedophile rape charges with Epstein.



 

Frankfooter

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I've argued against public sector unions so you're lying again.

I never said anything about factory workers getting paid 90% less than China. I said your idea to have other countries increase their labour costs by unionization was a pie dream. SO you're lying again.

I support democracy, you don't. That's a fact I have proven over and over again. So you're lying again.

Your only arguments are based on lies.
You've argued against public sector unions, private sector unions, lowering the minimum wage and lowering factory wages 90% to compete with Mexico and China.

You are an extremist.
 

Skoob

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Different trial, skoob.
You know its a different trial and are trolling.
There were no trials where he was convicted of rape. You know that and everyone else knows it too.
You just keep peddling misinformation to suit your narrative while hoping it sticks.
Give it up.
 
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