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LCBO Store Employees On Strike!

Skoob

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But you lose the mark up revenue, which is were the bulk of the money comes from. It won't generate the same or better. It will be pocketed by The Big Corps.

These private owners you talk about will mostly be Loblaws and Walmart.
If LCBO remains as the wholesaler/distributor and doesn't have the high costs of operations due to running retail, they will make the same or more considering the volume of sales at 3x more the retailers than there are now.
 

Skoob

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Negotiating your terms of employment is not charity. However, to negotiate effectively, you have to correctly understand the value of your contribution to the business. If you want more than what those services could be acquired for in the labour market, you are asking for charity.


The system you seem to have a problem with is the system of reality (like the character in the Matrix who betrays Neo because he decides he prefers illusion over reality). I agree that a successful society must hold opportunity for individuals at all levels of income. However, it isn't reality to expect to be overpaid simply because others earn more.


Corporations are only a revenue vehicle for real people who work in the business and for investors in the business. The former are the brains of the business and the latter take risks that allow the business to grow, and to survive difficult cycles in its operations. Of course their efforts are FAR more valuable than those of individuals who have jobs that have simply yet to be automated out of existence.

In context, there is no explaining why retail workers at the LCBO should be paid ANY more than retail workers at Shoe Locker. No explanations apart from charity on behalf of the public, that is.
Perfectly stated.
 

Skoob

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How does negotiating your work agreement become charity?

Yes I have a problem. If we have a system that doesn't provide fair wages for all workers it turns into a blunder and poverty country. Why wouldn't you want people to come here to join a strong workforce?

Explain why you think big corps should make extra billions but workers (the people that actually delivery the goods and services) should make less?
Instead of "charity" do you prefer "ransom"?

What are "fair wages"?

What is a "strong workforce"?

Why do you think owners and shareholders of a businesses should make as much as the workers they employ? How much more should they be allowed to make?
 

Klatuu

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Instead of "charity" do you prefer "ransom"?

What are "fair wages"?

What is a "strong workforce"?

Why do you think owners and shareholders of a businesses should make as much as the workers they employ? How much more should they be allowed to make?
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Dutch Oven

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Why are you so opposed to the truth being proven? It's a very simple answer, It's a stupid business move!!!!!

We own 100% of the pie. Name me one company that would willingly give up a peice of their 100% market share?
We have federal legislation to break up monopolies, but you are suggesting that Ontario public policy should be to hold on to a monopoly that they created by statute?
 

Frankfooter

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So remove the $1 billion operating expense...you think privatization in Ontario wouldn't generate the same or better for the province considering there will be 3x the number of retailers?
btw retailers employ people. Private business owners are also people.
You really still can't understand the basics?

Alberta gets sales tax from liquor sales.
Ontario gets sales tax, some distribution and around $2.2 billion a year from retail sales through the LCBO stores.

Alberta collects nothing from retail sales.
 
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Skoob

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You really still can't understand the basics?

Alberta gets sales tax from liquor sales.
Ontario gets sales tax, some distribution and around $2.2 billion a year from retail sales through the LCBO stores.

Alberta collects nothing from retail sales.
Yet they get more per capita than Ontario. Why do you think that is?
 

Skoob

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Bullshit.
Why do you think that's bullshit? (or is that your standard response when you don't want to accept reality?)


Alberta turned from government-run liquor stores to private liquor stores more than 30 years ago. Yet, despite having a fully private retailing system, their provincial liquor regulator returns a larger dividend per capita to the provincial treasury than the LCBO does.
Statistics Canada tracks the annual net income of liquor authorities in Canada and for fiscal year 2022-23, Alberta returned $825,104,000 to the provincial coffers. With a population of 4,645,229 as of April 1, 2023, that means the Alberta Gaming, Liquor and Cannabis Commission gave the government a per capita return of $177.62.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/heres-the-facts-on-the-lcbos-2-5-billion-dividend
 

Skoob

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Galbraith had a sense of entitlement? Do you have the slightest idea who he is.? I’ll give you a big hint. He’s something you are not.
Wow...I managed to get a full sentence response from you by posting a simple meme. Imagine that! More than 1 or 2 words!

You're evolving as a human being right before our eyes! Have a cookie on me champ!
 

DesRicardo

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Negotiating your terms of employment is not charity. However, to negotiate effectively, you have to correctly understand the value of your contribution to the business. If you want more than what those services could be acquired for in the labour market, you are asking for charity.


The system you seem to have a problem with is the system of reality (like the character in the Matrix who betrays Neo because he decides he prefers illusion over reality). I agree that a successful society must hold opportunity for individuals at all levels of income. However, it isn't reality to expect to be overpaid simply because others earn more.


Corporations are only a revenue vehicle for real people who work in the business and for investors in the business. The former are the brains of the business and the latter take risks that allow the business to grow, and to survive difficult cycles in its operations. Of course their efforts are FAR more valuable than those of individuals who have jobs that have simply yet to be automated out of existence.

In context, there is no explaining why retail workers at the LCBO should be paid ANY more than retail workers at Shoe Locker. No explanations apart from charity on behalf of the public, that is.
This is just blabber.

What specific detail did you find unreasonable from the union?
 

DesRicardo

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We have federal legislation to break up monopolies, but you are suggesting that Ontario public policy should be to hold on to a monopoly that they created by statute?
Yes. The monopoly is owned by the people and the funds go directly back to the people.
 

DesRicardo

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If LCBO remains as the wholesaler/distributor and doesn't have the high costs of operations due to running retail, they will make the same or more considering the volume of sales at 3x more the retailers than there are now.
Show me where you get these breakdowns from?
 

DesRicardo

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Why do you think that's bullshit? (or is that your standard response when you don't want to accept reality?)


Alberta turned from government-run liquor stores to private liquor stores more than 30 years ago. Yet, despite having a fully private retailing system, their provincial liquor regulator returns a larger dividend per capita to the provincial treasury than the LCBO does.
Statistics Canada tracks the annual net income of liquor authorities in Canada and for fiscal year 2022-23, Alberta returned $825,104,000 to the provincial coffers. With a population of 4,645,229 as of April 1, 2023, that means the Alberta Gaming, Liquor and Cannabis Commission gave the government a per capita return of $177.62.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/heres-the-facts-on-the-lcbos-2-5-billion-dividend
They only have a higher per capita because they pay more.

Plus as I posted before, they have lost out on revenue.

And finally, Alberta doesn't even have an open retail structure.
 

Skoob

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Show me where you get these breakdowns from?
You can find where the money made vs spent by doing a simple Google search for the LCBO financial report.
There you can see that they spend over $1 billion on operations.

Now remove that cost, multiply the proposed additional number of retail outlets liquor could be sold from (which was estimated at about 2000 (there are currently approx. 660 LCBO retail stores...that's where the 3x comes from.

Also, do a simple Google search on alcohol prices across Canada and you'll be pleasantly surprised that they are very competitive in Alberta? You know why? Because there's competition.
 

Skoob

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They only have a higher per capita because they pay more.

Plus as I posted before, they have lost out on revenue.

And finally, Alberta doesn't even have an open retail structure.
They don't pay more...their prices are one of the best in the country.

From your article, they also have the major retailers operating liquor stores of their own...just separate from the grocery stores.

"Large grocery retailers, including Loblaws, Sobeys and Costco, already operate their own standalone liquor stores in Alberta, often in the same shopping complexes as their grocery stores."
 

Klatuu

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Wow...I managed to get a full sentence response from you by posting a simple meme. Imagine that! More than 1 or 2 words!

You're evolving as a human being right before our eyes! Have a cookie on me champ!
No thanks, chump. But keep honing your food service industry skills.
 
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