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Do you believe in privilege? White privilege, etc?

Do you believe privilege exists?

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TomFord1980

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actually, I need $600/hr to pretend to take bait this bad
Too expensive for me lassie. Glad to hear you have gents out there who are willing to pay that. But like I said, if you feel so strongly, you should either give a discount to people of colour or donate a portion for under-represented groups.
 

jeff2

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Wow, this thread is still going….

Haven’t read the whole thing, and I may have said this before, even in this thread, but if you are a white guy like me, in this world (even in Canada where things are not as disparate as other places in the world)would you ever consider trading places with someone non-white, or not male? I am a fucking pretty liberal guy, and from a self interest point of view? Fuck no.
What about trying to get a government job?
 

kherg007

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It exists. It's more subtle but it's there. After dating/marrying ebony ladies over past 30+ years you see it up close. Always. Security following her in the store, until I show up. She being asked to show ID for a credit card purchase when the whites ahead of her in queue were not asked to do so. Her pain being discounted, and me having to advocate for MRI which they were not going to do. So they do, it shows fully torn tendons requiring surgery.
Just some observations.
 

escortsxxx

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I think it's because we are bombarded with US culture so we see the White vs Black narrative more than others discriminations.

Canada has begun coming to terms with treatment and discrimination against First Nations people (though there's still plenty of people triggered by that recognition too)



p.s. anti-indigenous racism is another aspect of white privilege.
White privilege was a made up thing about an essay about some backpack written in the 90s. its like crystals, or astrology. Pretty privilege and height privilege have more relevance. It could /can exist in any nation that literally makes laws benefiting x or y group - like first nations and the French speaking qubecers , and catholic for education in Ontario. IT could theoretical matter and /or exist like any social construct - if you can imagine it its possible to create. If you assume white people are superior in fact or effect (by getting better treatment) and enough people support you it will become true to society even if false to reality.
 
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On one of my trips way up North. There was an old abandoned Hudson Bay trading post sort of nearby If you went to the area, and looked hard, you could still find some of the foundations.

Years ago, an old almost falling apart journal was found. I think they called it a manifest. Each day, the Captain logged “Aug 30th 1833”. Weather ABC. Nails 1,000, fish X pounds, Z pounds (whatever) vegetables Y pounds. Firewood X cords. etc

Joe assigned to cut wood
Henry tend the nets
Bob cut his foot off with an axe ( not exaggerating well a bit but it was severe I remember that entry)

Feb 23rh..weather, supplies. Assignments,
An Indian boy came in. He told us his sister, mom, dad caught the fever in January, died a few days later. He had to wait for decent weather to walk X miles through 3 foot snow…

Every day, from Aug, through to about Feb or March.

fascinating read.
I dont get it
 

TomFord1980

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It exists. It's more subtle but it's there. After dating/marrying ebony ladies over past 30+ years you see it up close. Always. Security following her in the store, until I show up. She being asked to show ID for a credit card purchase when the whites ahead of her in queue were not asked to do so. Her pain being discounted, and me having to advocate for MRI which they were not going to do. So they do, it shows fully torn tendons requiring surgery.
Just some observations.
How inconvenient. However, it's 2024 now and a white person would be demonized for this, while people of colour are free to be racist toward whites.

I see it daily at a company where I am on the board. Times they are a changing.
 

Y_Diner

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If you’re white, and live in North America you’ll never feel it or get it.
That’s it!
An ex coworker of mine, defines waspyness, white privlege, deep pockets. He married a Canadian born polish woman.
One of his best friends is black.
Black bff was also a groomsman.
Before the reception, I heard a white man from the brides side say “hey who’s that
Black dude?” as the groomsman rushed by, looked
Like he was busy doing groomsman tasks. Brides side white mans face was Serious, tone as well, but slight smile afterwards.
When I asked my co worker about that knowing the black groomsman and he are like bffs, he said his wife’s relative was just joking, relax.
Point is, it’s not really a joke.
Again, if you’re white, you’ll never understand that this happens often. And it’s not a joke. Even if the joke maker says it’s a joke, the fact that he thinks like that, is racist.
 

kherg007

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How inconvenient. However, it's 2024 now and a white person would be demonized for this, while people of colour are free to be racist toward whites.

I see it daily at a company where I am on the board. Times they are a changing.
You're a thief. You have no moral character. You suck as a person.
Now - I don't believe that about you. I truly don't. But I'm only making a point - how did that make you feel when i told those lies? What i'm trying to do is give you a sense of what it's like when these incidents happen, and the fact you can't hide from it. Imagine someone actually accusing you of the lies I told about you above. Imagine that's the look and behaviour you get. Often. What does that do over time? It's not inconvenient. It's maddening. Total strangers making snap judgments despite your stellar character and leading a decent honest life. As Henry Aaron says, every day you go out in public something happens that reminds you that you're black.

Yes, there are minorities who make ludicrous claims like "racism has never been this bad". (Are you kidding me? Lynchings? No right to vote? Redlining? Jeez how ignorant. And there are those who see everything as a race issue, when its not. Unfortunately they usually have the biggest megaphones). But despite that, I come down that it is still a bigger problem on one side.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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This just in, nonwhite people live more people to a house, surprise surprise, SHOCKING. Imagine using household income as a metric of anything without information like, how many people live in the home, how many rooms are in the home, home many children are in the home... etc etc etc

5 people making $30k/yr/person living in a one bedroom are obviously equally as well off as a couple who make $150k combined.
nice try though lol

We are all so very shocked that the ethnic group known for generational households have a high household income.
You're assuming that all those different nationalities are all large families living in 1 home though
 
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Musketeer

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Yes…Being a white male means I don’t have to put up with the racism and bigotry that others have to deal with. I still have problems and challenges in my life but thankfully racism is not one of them.
However, if you are Caucasian and a heterosexual male you may have to face reverse discrimination especially if you apply for a government job and even when applying for some private sector positions. Being inclusive in Canada often means "No Caucasians need apply." Sorry, but that's the truth.
 

Vera.Reis

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You're assuming that all those different nationalities are all large families living in 1 home though
No, I'm pointing out that household income is the total of all related adults under one roof and that statistically speaking, immigrants live more communally then generational Canadians. Especially Indians, I grew up in an area where half my high-school was east Indian, that is definitely a culture where multi generational households are common. Families that are 3rd generation or more North American (a group that is predominantly white), on the other hand, are far more likely to expect their kids to move out asap when they become adults, lowering white peoples households income. But this says NOTHING about individual income.

Logic isn't easy for some though.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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No, I'm pointing out that household income is the total of all related adults under one roof and that statistically speaking, immigrants live more communally then generational Canadians. Especially Indians, I grew up in an area where half my high-school was east Indian, that is definitely a culture where multi generational households are common. Families that are 3rd generation or more North American (a group that is predominantly white), on the other hand, are far more likely to expect their kids to move out asap when they become adults, lowering white peoples households income. But this says NOTHING about individual income.

Logic isn't easy for though.
That might be true for East-Indians, but it's not true for Japanese, Indonesians, Filipinos, or Koreans.

So your argument is very weak
 
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Leimonis

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Wow, this thread is still going….

Haven’t read the whole thing, and I may have said this before, even in this thread, but if you are a white guy like me, in this world (even in Canada where things are not as disparate as other places in the world)would you ever consider trading places with someone non-white, or not male? I am a fucking pretty liberal guy, and from a self interest point of view? Fuck no.
how do you trade places? Same jobs or same status or how exactly you figure? Here is a theory: If you make $100k as a white guy and trade to make $100K as a black guy your social status would go WAY up. A black doctor will have ten beautiful women of his race to choose from while a white doctor would have less white women to choose from because there's too many white successful men already and a white guy who does okay is not a big deal. So maybe racialized men are in even better position than whites as long as they work hard?
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Hispanic households are shown to be larger than Asian households, yet they have lower median incomes than Asian households. So this graphic is most likely reflecting the fact that white people tend to have less kids than immigrants. Which is very true.

Income is directly proportional to education. Indian immigrants tend to be better educated, have higher education levels and therefore higher incomes. Multi-generational households may have an impact, but it is less common, than most Indian immigrants being better educated and having better jobs that pay well. Education is the key.

Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with @Kautilya
 

Vera.Reis

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CN you pls sum up what your counter argument is? Are whites doing better being alone and having no family or all other ethnicities are doing better being in family.

Should white ppl work towards family or other ethnicities should break families and live alone ?
I am kind of confused on your arguments which side of you’re arguing.
My argument is that if you have more adults in your home, it is easier to have a higher household income, and therefore the graphic is misleading. I made zero other arguments or value judgements, simply said the numbers need context.
 
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Vera.Reis

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Hispanic households are shown to be larger than Asian households, yet they have lower median incomes than Asian households. So this graphic is most likely reflecting the fact that white people tend to have less kids than immigrants. Which is very true.

Income is directly proportional to education. Indian immigrants tend to be better educated, have higher education levels and therefore higher incomes. Multi-generational households may have an impact, but it is less common, than most Indian immigrants being better educated and having better jobs that pay well. Education is the key.

Might be a difficult concept for you, but two things can be true at once, Indian immigrants tend to have more education than Hispanic immigrants, and both are more likely to have more family members than just a nuclear family living together, than non-hispanic white people
 
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Vera.Reis

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That graph you posted is useless because it encompasses all Asians under one umbrella group, but doesn't break it down for the different Asian nationalities
It's not because it still shows white people being the ones in total who have smaller households.

The point being, measuring household income without more information is useless and those numbers can't be compared because they aren't equivalent unless each house has the same number of related adults.

But racists love numerical fallacies.
 
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