LCBO strike?

[Frankfooter]

That answer makes no sense. Are all the good jobs gone? Every company out there has all the skilled labour they can handle? No one can start their own business any longer?
Make your response make sense please.

And you can stop using your broad 10% narrative as it's misleading. More than half the people earning minimum wage are 15-24 year olds. You are peddling misleading info again.



We use Statistics Canada’s “Low Income Cutoff” line, or LICO, to assess the extent to which minimum wage earners live in low income families.

We show that that 8.8 percent of all workers earn the minimum wage. Further, we find that 7.7 percent of all minimum wage earners in Canada live in households that are below the LICO after taxes and transfers. This means that 92.3 percent of minimum wage earners live in households that are above the LICO. The reason for this is driven primarily by the fact that most minimum wage workers are not primary breadwinners in their households but rather are secondary or tertiary earners. Out of the eight provinces for which adequate data was available, the share ranked from a low of 6.6 percent in Alberta to 14.5 percent in Manitoba.

Our analysis also examines the age profile of minimum wage workers. We find that 53 percent of all minimum wage workers are between the ages of 15 and 24. The share of minimum wage workers in this age group varies considerably from province to province.

For many younger minimum-wage workers, the evidence suggests that jobs paying the minimum wage are a first step towards higher-paid compensation. One recent study, for instance, shows that 46.4 percent of minimum wage workers had been in their job for less than a year. Finally, our data show that just 2.2 percent of minimum wage workers are single parents with a child or children under the age of 18.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/who-earns-the-minimum-wage-in-canada

Ok, lets say 9% instead of 10%.
Where are those 9% of people supposed to get other jobs?

Do you want every youth to have to stay at home even after they get their first jobs because they can't afford housing and food?
You must be a manager at 7 Eleven, you hate workers, hate the youth and think everyone is lazy and under achievers next to the glory of your manager's job.

DoFo already spent $1 billion of Ontario money to cancel the Beer store contract, now he wants to give the $2.5 billion from the LCBO to billionaires.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810309654750114292

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810038304546468046

 

[Frankfooter]

Is that what the voices in your head are telling you?

That's what your supremacist support of zionists, support of extremist right wing views and anger at workers and immigrants tells us, skoob.

 

[Frankfooter]

Don't worry. If all goes well, then eventually you'll be able to walk to your corner store and buy it and won't be held hostage any longer.

Ah, so the problem really is you don't have a car and can't get to the LCBO.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1809603771065851982

 

[Skoob]

Ok, lets say 9% instead of 10%.
Where are those 9% of people supposed to get other jobs?

No, more like closer to 4%. So your original number and narrative was misleading.

I expect most of those people, ie students, to get an education and then get a career job that doesn't involve putting apple slices in a Happy Meal box while hoping to be paid like an engineer, lawyer, mechanic, etc.

As usual your narrative falls short.

 

[Skoob]

That's what your supremacist support of zionists, support of extremist right wing views and anger at workers and immigrants tells us, skoob.

Funny how you work in the Palestine/Israel issue into a thread about the LCBO.

You're sick and need help.

ps and you lost this argument because when you feel the need to distract to completely different topics, we all know you have nothing to say about this one.

Case & point: WTF does Palestine have to do with the LCBO?

Here: https://www.camh.ca/

 

[Skoob]

Ah, so the problem really is you don't have a car and can't get to the LCBO.

Actually, I usually have a hard time deciding which one of my cars to drive. But thanks for making another wrong assumption on your continued pursuit of failure.

btw Why are you encouraging people to use their cars just to go to the LCBO? Won't that cause pollution and set the planet on fire? Think of the housing that could be built where 680 stores currently stand?

You should be welcoming the availability of liquor at corner stores to reduce your carbon footprint. Or is that not a thing anymore?

 

[Frankfooter]

No, more like closer to 4%. So your original number and narrative was misleading.

I expect most of those people, ie students, to get an education and then get a career job that doesn't involve putting apple slices in a Happy Meal box while hoping to be paid like an engineer, lawyer, mechanic, etc.

As usual your narrative falls short.

Nope, Stats Canada says its 9%.
Deal with it and tell us where you're going to find jobs for 9% of the country.

Then tell those 9% they are lazy, underachievers who don't deserve to be able to pay for housing and food.
They'll love you.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1597723579491045378

 

[squeezer]

Ah right...when Trudeau fucks up it's everyone else's fault...just like he always says.
Fact is, Canada has been declining compared to other G20 countries since 2015...guess who took over in 2015?
https://economics.td.com/ca-falling-behind-standard-of-living-curve

I see, let me check

Economic and Fiscal Overview | Budget 2024

This section of Budget 2024 gives an overview of the economic and fiscal outlook of Canada, including current challenges and opportunities.

budget.canada.ca

Did you know Canada is a haven for entrepreneurship? Hmmmm, strange this would happen under Justin's watch no???

How Canada compares to other G7 countries in entrepreneurship

The 2018 GEM Canada Report revealed that the country has highest rate of female entrepreneurship among the G7 – women start businesses at almost 85% of the men’s rate.

www.gemconsortium.org

Scoob, look at the chart, can you tell me who are the third and fourth top countries with US being first UNDER JOE BIDEN and Germany being second, who is third?

G7 GDP per capita 2024| Statista

The GDP per capita in the G7 increased in all 7 countries since 2000 except in Italy.

www.statista.com

GO AHEAD, I will wait for your answer. Please be accurate or I will shoo you away.

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810347509140635855

Maybe DoFo should give us an interactive map of which hospital ER's are still open, where there are still walk in clinics and which family doctors are still working here.

Instead of wasting Ontario taxpayer money attacking Ontario workers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810309654750114292

 

[shack]

Here's a job. Here's how much it pays. Do you want it?

But what happens when somebody has been working at a job for 5 or more years (accepting the terms offered) but there has been no pay increase since. Cost of living has increased in all aspects of everyday life, the company has been making increased profits, CEOs are all getting big increases in pay and bonuses etc., and you think that the workers should be the only ones that don't get a raise?

If you think that is fair you just lost the debate.

 

[shack]

You just hate workers.
You hate the people of Ontario.
And you hate social services.

Typical hyperbole.
Typical idiocy.
Typical Geno.

This why people tune you out. You take every issue/accusation to the extreme, resulting in no credibility. You achieve the opposite of what you intend. Your comments are laughable.

And when you come up with accusations like this over an LCBO strike, it is obvious that you use the same outrageous accusations in other threads. It's your MO and the only way you know how to argue.

 

[shack]

I agree; I don't see why an LCBO needs to look any fancier than a Service Ontario building. We seem to be doing fine without government-run pot shops - they're on every corner.

Unfortunately, the reason you don't see more products in supermarkets is because of the legislation that govern the LCBO. The government could change those anytime, but they haven't done so (yet).

So do you think if all that legislation that governs the LCBO were removed, then Loblaws would carry as wide a range of products as the LCBO?

 

[Skoob]

Nope, Stats Canada says its 9%.
Deal with it and tell us where you're going to find jobs for 9% of the country.

Then tell those 9% they are lazy, underachievers who don't deserve to be able to pay for housing and food.
They'll love you.

Numbers without context is what you rely on when it suits your purpose.

From the article I shared: "We find that 53 percent of all minimum wage workers are between the ages of 15 and 24".

So 4.7% of all people in Canada working for minimum wage are students (or recent drop-outs).

That's a far cry from what you originally tried to peddle.

Now that we've blown up your argument and clarified the misleading info you have been trying to pass along...what's your argument now?

 

[Frankfooter]

Numbers without context is what you rely on when it suits your purpose.

From the article I shared: "We find that 53 percent of all minimum wage workers are between the ages of 15 and 24".

So 4.7% of all people in Canada working for minimum wage are students (or recent drop-outs).

That's a far cry from what you originally tried to peddle.

Now that we've blown up your argument and clarified the misleading info you have been trying to pass along...what's your argument now?

Its the same, skoob.
Minimum wage should pay the minimum it takes to afford for subsistence.
Regardless of whether you're a university student or an uneducated right winger.

 

[Skoob]

I see, let me check

Economic and Fiscal Overview | Budget 2024

This section of Budget 2024 gives an overview of the economic and fiscal outlook of Canada, including current challenges and opportunities.

budget.canada.ca

Did you know Canada is a haven for entrepreneurship? Hmmmm, strange this would happen under Justin's watch no???

How Canada compares to other G7 countries in entrepreneurship

The 2018 GEM Canada Report revealed that the country has highest rate of female entrepreneurship among the G7 – women start businesses at almost 85% of the men’s rate.

www.gemconsortium.org

Scoob, look at the chart, can you tell me who are the third and fourth top countries with US being first UNDER JOE BIDEN and Germany being second, who is third?

G7 GDP per capita 2024| Statista

The GDP per capita in the G7 increased in all 7 countries since 2000 except in Italy.

www.statista.com

GO AHEAD, I will wait for your answer. Please be accurate or I will shoo you away.

First off, providing a source written by the current government in power is not really a source...it's an advertisement or PR piece.

I'm not sure what chart you are looking at but Canada is at the bottom...
The US has been on the same trajectory since 2009 (other than the pandemic). Is your point that the big bad capitalist society of the US is doing very well in comparison?

 

[Skoob]

But what happens when somebody has been working at a job for 5 or more years (accepting the terms offered) but there has been no pay increase since. Cost of living has increased in all aspects of everyday life, the company has been making increased profits, CEOs are all getting big increases in pay and bonuses etc., and you think that the workers should be the only ones that don't get a raise?

If you think that is fair you just lost the debate.

Ok so you're talking about private sector employees and not public sector. (you know there's a difference right?)

Let's go with private sector then...

A company exists to make money for its owners/shareholders. Period.

Shareholders can include people's investments like pensions, etc. ie it's not just the company that's relying on success.

They don't exist to provide people with a living.
They don't exist to share the wealth (some do via profit sharing programs that are typically performance-based)
They need employees to to the extent that they keep the business going and maintain profitability.
If they need good employees, they compensate them well to stay. (typically skilled labour)
If some employees can be easily replaced by others then they'll pay the least amount they have to and give the job to whoever wants it. (typically non-skilled labour)
If less employees are needed, they reduce them. If more are needed they hire.

If a company starts losing good employees, the business will typically suffer. No company wants to lose good employees.

It's business. Not charity.

 

[Skoob]

Its the same, skoob.
Minimum wage should pay the minimum it takes to afford for subsistence.
Regardless of whether you're a university student or an uneducated right winger.

So it's indeed charity you're looking for.

You expect a 15 year old, uneducated drop out to be able to afford what everyone else can, and expect everyone else to pay for that by rewarding them with a high-paying non-skilled labour job.

Yeah sure.

 

[Skoob]

So do you think if all that legislation that governs the LCBO were removed, then Loblaws would carry as wide a range of products as the LCBO?

No one is removing LCBO control.
It's expanding products into private stores. LCBO still controls the distribution.

My own personal opinion is that the government should get out of the retail business. But that's not what they're proposing.

 

[Frankfooter]

First off, providing a source written by the current government in power is not really a source...it's an advertisement or PR piece.

I'm not sure what chart you are looking at but Canada is at the bottom...
The US has been on the same trajectory since 2009 (other than the pandemic). Is your point that the big bad capitalist society of the US is doing very well in comparison?

View attachment 340960

Same info as this, skoob.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810075712642224587

 

[Frankfooter]

So it's indeed charity you're looking for.

No, skoob.
Pay for work is not charity, its the opposite.