US supreme court rules Trump has ‘absolute immunity’ for official acts

[Frankfooter]

This ruling is the big gamble for turning the US authoritarian.

SCOTUS made the ruling on the last possible day before the election and now have gone in hiding.
Its a major gamble that by declaring the president to have the powers that Biden won't use them and they will just be used by rump to overturn/overthrow the election and then through his following dictatorship.

Really, the big question is whether Biden is too distracted by fighting off calls to resign to do anything about it before the election.
Ideally he'd make use of the powers to cripple SCOTUS and rump and then let someone else run during the election.

If not, democracy is likely done there.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1807804785116016948

 

[Gooseifur]

Are you okay?

The lefties are calling for Trump to be poisoned or nuked. LOL. I thought they were worried about Trump doing that to his political opponent? Yet they are calling for it to be done to him. The TDS is strong in these guys. I think the left all needs to take a pill or seek mental help.

 

[Gooseifur]

All decision-makers have immunity, as long as they stay within the proper ambit of their powers. Judges have judicial immunity. Legislators have legislative immunity.

The decision won't affect the hush money case, as this was when Trump was a private citizen BEFORE he became president. It probably won't affect the stolen documents case, as Trump was a private citizen AFTER he was president.

The insurrection case is interesting, as it involves corrupt and bad faith conduct when Trump was still in office.

It could affect the hush money case. The payments were made after he was President. It could also affect the documents case, He was still President when he took them to Florida

 

[The Oracle]

The lefties are calling for Trump to be poisoned or nuked. LOL. I thought they were worried about Trump doing that to his political opponent? Yet they are calling for it to be done to him. The TDS is strong in these guys. I think the left all needs to take a pill or seek mental help.

The sad part is most of them are on medication and still behave this way...

 

[mandrill]

It could affect the hush money case. The payments were made after he was President. It could also affect the documents case, He was still President when he took them to Florida

But the hush money in particular isn't connected to any presidential duties.

It's like me paying off a blackmail threat by an escort after being made president.

 

[Frankfooter]

The sad part is most of them are on medication and still behave this way...

Its really weird the stories right wingers tell themselves.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1807817632365817887

 

[wigglee]

Maybe Biden should exercise his newly declared immunity by sending a hit squad to take out the treasonous felon Trump, thereby saving democracy, and then fire 6 of the judges and have that immunity removed.

 

[oil&gas]

Maybe Biden should exercise his newly declared immunity by sending a hit squad to take out the treasonous felon Trump, thereby saving democracy, and then fire 6 of the judges and have that immunity removed.

To follow up this feat Biden would have to make himself the
dictator, appoint his successor and scuttle the 2024 election
to preemptively take out Trump II.

 

[Gooseifur]

But the hush money in particular isn't connected to any presidential duties.

It's like me paying off a blackmail threat by an escort after being made president.

No but some of the communications were with white house staff such as Hope Hicks who testified, and communications sent through white house emails were used as evidence. I;m not saying it's valid but with the scope of immunity set by scotus who knows

 

[Frankfooter]

To follow up this feat Biden would have to make himself the
dictator, appoint his successor and scuttle the 2024 election
to preemptively take out Trump II.

Nah, he could do the dirty work and then install a set of judges that would return the US to democracy and the law and then not run in 2024.
Save the country, take the fall for the GOP attack dogs and put the country back on track.

But would he?

 

[mandrill]

Woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her at 13 drops lawsuit

Woman had alleged Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein raped her in 1994, which Trump had denied, and the accuser’s attorney filed a voluntary dismissal

www.theguardian.com

 

[squeezer]

The decision won't affect the hush money case, as this was when Trump was a private citizen BEFORE he became president. It probably won't affect the stolen documents case, as Trump was a private citizen AFTER he was president.

It already has albeit delayed only at this point but it can get worse or better if you're in Trump's camp.

Judge delays Trump’s hush money sentencing until at least September after high court immunity ruling

Donald Trump’s sentencing in his hush money case has been postponed until at least Sept. 18, a major reprieve for the Republican former president.

apnews.com

 

[Valcazar]

US supreme court rules Trump has ‘absolute immunity’ for official acts

Amazing that this has already dropped down off the front pages.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but really just shows you how little people understand.

 

[Valcazar]

All decision-makers have immunity, as long as they stay within the proper ambit of their powers. Judges have judicial immunity. Legislators have legislative immunity.

Wasn't really in dispute in the case.
I remain baffled you think this is a good decision.

The decision won't affect the hush money case, as this was when Trump was a private citizen BEFORE he became president.

It has already affected the case, although Merchand may refuse the motion.

It probably won't affect the stolen documents case, as Trump was a private citizen AFTER he was president.

He took the documents before leaving the presidency.
Therefore it will affect the case.

The insurrection case is interesting, as it involves corrupt and bad faith conduct when Trump was still in office.

Which you aren't allowed to mention or infer.
All official acts are immune and motive can't be used to question that.

 

[Valcazar]

The question is whether the USSC ruling allows bad faith to be taken into account or confers absolute immunity.

Also a question of whether challenging the selection of his successor is within his role as president, as it doesn't involve enforcement and execution of Congress's decrees or his diplomatic duties?

If this is Trump qua private citizen / candidate, then immunity should not attach. And indeed, the president has no role in the selection of the incoming president. It's the Senate and the V-P who play the key roles.

You didn't read the case or summaries of it, did you?

Bad faith doesn't matter.
The court will decide if something is an official act.
In other words, challenging the selection (if it is Donald Trump) is immune.

There is no list of official acts, it is "what does this judge decide is an official act for this person".
(If you want the fig leaf, it is that the President's job is to ensure the elections ran properly.)


It's a power grab by the judiciary.

 

[Frankfooter]

You didn't read the case or summaries of it, did you?

Bad faith doesn't matter.
The court will decide if something is an official act.
In other words, challenging the selection (if it is Donald Trump) is immune.

There is no list of official acts, it is "what does this judge decide is an official act for this person".
(If you want the fig leaf, it is that the President's job is to ensure the elections ran properly.)


It's a power grab by the judiciary.

Hopefully this is true, though unlikely and slow.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810094719210332198

 

[Valcazar]

Hopefully this is true, though unlikely and slow.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810094719210332198

I see twitter has already started pointing out the problems here.

 

[Frankfooter]

I see twitter has already started pointing out the problems here.

Absolutely.

Still....

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4761924-democratic-senators-request-special-counsel-thomas/

 

[Valcazar]

Absolutely.

Still....

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4761924-democratic-senators-request-special-counsel-thomas/

Fine for them to initiate an investigation, it just won't get anywhere quick or be a magic bullet.

 

[wigglee]

Is asking for 12000 votes to be fabricated in Georgia, an official act? If so, the SCOTUS is totally corrupt.