The complexities of Sudan

southpaw

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A guy who wants a secular, democratic, constitutional republic with equal rights for all, is not the elitist.
He wants all that for Canada, he really does! He just doesn't want it for his promised land.
 
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Frankfooter

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Thanks for proving your racism while also violating terb's requirements by faking quotes. You're also a half step away from demanding "zionists" be killed and being banned like your previous two handles.

But sure, post some more pics about how nice it was in Tel Aviv in 1950.



p.s. You do realize that you posted a tweet about Doug Ford in a thread about Sudan right?
Now you're claiming zionists are a race?
Hilarious.

Stick to telling us how much you think Palestinian children need to be starved to death because Hamas....
 

basketcase

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A guy who wants a secular, democratic, constitutional republic with equal rights for all, is not the elitist...
You are an elitist though because you continually deny what Palestinians want and continually pretend the Ottomans weren't capable of having laws about immigrants.

And Hamas is clear what they want which isn't secular and isn't equal rights. The PA also sees Palestine as an Islamic state so if you really supported what you claim, you'd be critical of them.

The PA Constitution
Article 4
  1. Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect for the sanctity of all other divine religions shall be maintained.
  2. The principles of Islamic Shari’a shall be a principal source of legislation.
  3. Arabic shall be the official language.
Hamas
The movement
1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.

The Land of Palestine
2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

3. Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.


Don't see much talk about secularism and based on the laws of both the PA and Hamas, there sure seems to be a ton of oppression.
 

Frankfooter

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You are an elitist though because you continually deny what Palestinians want and continually pretend the Ottomans weren't capable of having laws about immigrants.

And Hamas is clear what they want which isn't secular and isn't equal rights. The PA also sees Palestine as an Islamic state so if you really supported what you claim, you'd be critical of them.

The PA Constitution
Article 4
  1. Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect for the sanctity of all other divine religions shall be maintained.
  2. The principles of Islamic Shari’a shall be a principal source of legislation.
  3. Arabic shall be the official language.
Hamas
The movement
1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.

The Land of Palestine
2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

3. Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.


Don't see much talk about secularism and based on the laws of both the PA and Hamas, there sure seems to be a ton of oppression.
From Canada's criminal code.

318 (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Definition of genocide
(2) In this section, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,
(a) killing members of the group; or
(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction


 

Frankfooter

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The body of the UN evidently, does not agree with her.
No, Shazi.
The world voted repeated for Israel to ceasefire, the world courts are charging Israel and their leaders with genocide and the UN voted on the side of Palestine. The only vote for the genocide came from Genocide Joe, and Netanyahu is done with him and prepping to work with his supremacist buddy, rump.

 

shack

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No, Shazi.
The world voted repeated for Israel to ceasefire, the world courts are charging Israel and their leaders with genocide and the UN voted on the side of Palestine. The only vote for the genocide came from Genocide Joe, and Netanyahu is done with him and prepping to work with his supremacist buddy, rump.
One falsehood after another. You are scrambling like cockroaches being sprayed.
 

Frankfooter

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One falsehood after another. You are scrambling like cockroaches being sprayed.
There is no falsehood in that post, Shazi.
Your denial is as lame as reading skoob defend DoFo or bud plug defending rump.


shack counter:
30 accusations of lying, 45 intentional misquotes (straw man arguments) - 0 proof
 

basketcase

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No, Shazi.
The world voted repeated for Israel to ceasefire, the world courts are charging Israel and their leaders with genocide and the UN voted on the side of Palestine. The only vote for the genocide came from Genocide Joe, and Netanyahu is done with him and prepping to work with his supremacist buddy, rump.

Another own goal. Can't you even read that the vote breakdown says it's explicitly about the Golan?
 

Frankfooter

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So you're admitting that your desire to remove Jews from Israel is a criminal code offence?
1) I have no desire to remove anyone from anywhere based on race.
2) Removing settlers from illegal settlements, where those settlements are war crimes, is correcting legal offences.
3) What happens to Palestine/Israel leadership should be up to the ICC, ICJ and the UN at this point.
4) My preference is still the one state solution with equal rights, the Canadian way. Followed by investigations and charges on all war crimes/terrorism and some kind of truth and reconciliation type act to return land and refugees.

There you go Geno, your post had falsehoods.
I said that the world voted with Palestine, that's accurate, Shazi.
Same way the vote fell when they voted on whether Israeli settlements are illegal as they are parts of occupied Palestine.
Without that Biden veto, Israel is screwed.

 

basketcase

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1) I have no desire to remove anyone from anywhere based on race.
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So why have you repeatedly stated that jews don't belong in various parts of the region? All your posts about Jewish civilians being legit targets because Jews don't belong in the West Bank? Your whole line of argument that Jewish immigration under the Ottomans and Brits being wrong?

Now the UN, ICC, and ICJ have tried to do things like demand Hamas immediately and unconditionally release their hostages and accept the ceasefire without conditions but you have repeatedly justified Hamas ignoring them.

And sorry but it's laughable to see you celebrating the UN but ignoring their official stance is that the borders and solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can only be achieved through negotiations.


p.s. Not going to acknowledge you stupidly posted a vote about the Syrian Golan pretending it was really about Palestine?
 

Frankfooter

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So why have you repeatedly stated that jews don't belong in various parts of the region? =
You used to say you backed the two state solution.
Now you are at the point where the idea that there would be a separate state of Palestine where Jews weren't allowed to go is 'antismetic'.

Did you just wake up one day and declare that even if there was a two state solution Palestine would still be Jewish?

Personally, I just think you've always been this guy.
 

basketcase

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You used to say you backed the two state solution.
Now you are at the point where the idea that there would be a separate state of Palestine where Jews weren't allowed to go is 'antismetic'.
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No, I'm saying you are antisemitic because despite all your claims, you believe there are certain regions which need to be Jew free.

And I do think a Two-State peace is most workable, just like Canada, the UN, and the Arab League. But unlike you, I also understand I don't have a vote and accept the peace will look like whatever the two sides choose to negotiate. I also know that your insistence that a permanent peace should be forced on Palestinians without their consent is unworkable
 

Frankfooter

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No, I'm saying you are antisemitic because despite all your claims, you believe there are certain regions which need to be Jew free.
I've never said that, basketcase.
Its you that is arguing that Palestinians won't have the right to declare who can be citizens in a future Palestinian state.
How very settler colonial of you.

And I do think a Two-State peace is most workable, just like Canada, the UN, and the Arab League. But unlike you, I also understand I don't have a vote and accept the peace will look like whatever the two sides choose to negotiate. I also know that your insistence that a permanent peace should be forced on Palestinians without their consent is unworkable
And of course that means returning all land illegally taken through war crimes, I assume.

 

basketcase

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I've never said that, basketcase.
Its you that is arguing that Palestinians won't have the right to declare who can be citizens in a future Palestinian state.
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??? It's pathetic when you read someone's post and argue the exact opposite. And you have repeatedly said that Jews don't belong in the West Bank and repeatedly call all of Israel 'occupied'.

And I fully expect a Palestinian state like any other state will have the right to decide their own immigration laws but that doesn't change your belief that Jews don't belong in certain areas is plain racist and I will always have the right to criticize you and them for it.

You complain that Israel prioritizing Jewish immigrants while at the same time being perfectly happy with PA laws saying Jews aren't allowed in PA controlled areas and making it a capitol offence to sell land to a Jew.
 

Frankfooter

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??? It's pathetic when you read someone's post and argue the exact opposite. And you have repeatedly said that Jews don't belong in the West Bank and repeatedly call all of Israel 'occupied'.
Its pathetic when you read someone's post and claim they said the exact opposite of what is there posted on this board.
Its also idiotic.

Just stop lying, its really stupid.
You argue that you back the two state solution but then say its antisemitic if there is Palestine where Palestinians can choose who is a citizen.
If you want to declare which parts of Palestine are occupied, take it up with the UN.
The only legal borders according to them are the partition borders.

And I fully expect a Palestinian state like any other state will have the right to decide their own immigration laws but that doesn't change your belief that Jews don't belong in certain areas is plain racist and I will always have the right to criticize you and them for it.

You complain that Israel prioritizing Jewish immigrants while at the same time being perfectly happy with PA laws saying Jews aren't allowed in PA controlled areas and making it a capitol offence to sell land to a Jew.
Stop lying and saying you think I've said 'Jews don't belong'. I've never said any such thing. If there were ever a two state solution Palestinians have that right to decide who can be a citizen.

Israel is apartheid, actively colonizing Palestine and stealing their land through military occupation and now genocide.
For you to argue that you think PA laws are wrong while you declare genocide and apartheid is great is really fucked.


 
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