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And here is just one example of an illegal immigrant committing rape once he got inside the US

 

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No. The links you provided clearly stated, the following:

a) 80% of women are sexually assaulted. They flee their lands because they are sexually assaulted and subjected to horrible conditions, and they are assaulted during their journey.
b) The sexual assaults are perpetrated by anybody - police, border security, fellow migrants, coyotes etc., It does not say that they are solely being raped by other migrants
Read your own post more carefully next time, smartypants. I post the relevant parts in bold.
Here you clearly admit fellow migrants also do the raping, in addition to police, coyotes....etc

So Trump is correct, Mexico (and other Latin-American countries) are sending rapists, period.
He did not say all Mexicans are rapists


But to characterize them ALL as rapists, is racist. Which is what Trump did
He did not say all are rapists. Here's what he said exactly.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”.

His statement is factually correct.
Nowhere does he say all Mexicans are rapists, he merely says that Mexico is sending a lot of rapists, drug dealers, and other criminals
 
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Read your own post more carefully next time, smartypants. I post the relevant parts in bold.
Here you clearly admit fellow migrants also do the raping, in addition to police, coyotes....etc

So Trump is correct, Mexico (and other Latin-American countries) are sending rapists, period.
He did not say all Mexicans are rapists



He did not say all are rapists. Here's what he said exactly.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”.

His statement is factually correct.
Nowhere does he say all Mexicans are rapists, he merely says that Mexico is sending a lot of rapists, and drug dealers, and other criminals
Don't you see the irony of trump who is a known rapist consoling the mother of a rape victim ? He could give Teo fucks about a girl getting raped but he shamelessly used it as a pr stunt to show to make Biden look bad. If Trump really cared about Americans he would visit ever rape victim including e Jean carrol
 
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Read your own post more carefully next time, smartypants. I post the relevant parts in bold.
Here you clearly admit fellow migrants also do the raping, in addition to police, coyotes....etc

So Trump is correct, Mexico (and other Latin-American countries) are sending rapists, period.
He did not say all Mexicans are rapists

He did not say all are rapists. Here's what he said exactly.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”.

His statement is factually correct.
Nowhere does he say all Mexicans are rapists, he merely says that Mexico is sending a lot of rapists, and drug dealers, and other criminals
I did not say anything differently. I know what I posted. Yes, some migrants are likely to be criminals and rapists - I said that explicitly. But the majority of them are just poor people fleeing horrible conditions.

Trump however characterized ALLLLL of them as rapists. And here's why and let us dissect his statement:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. - Mexico isn't sending anybody. Those people are fleeing horrible conditions. Factually incorrect. Also it makes it sound like there is a plot to send "horrible people" to the US, which characterizes the entire group as inferior. Hence racist.
They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. - The point of assylum seeking or fleeing to another country, is escaping horrible conditions. However, to say they are bringing those horrible conditions with them, is to characterize the entire group as inferior. Hence racist.
They’re bringing drugs - "They" is an all encompassing term, directed at a group. He should have said, "Some of them". He chose to paint everyone as drug mules. Hence racist.
They’re bringing crime. - "They" is an all encompassing term, directed at a group. He should have said, "Some of them". He chose to paint everyone as criminals. Hence racist.
They’re rapists. - "They" is an all encompassing term, directed at a group. He should have said, "Some of them". He chose to paint everyone as rapists. Hence racist.
And some, I assume, are good people” - And the majority he assumes are bad people. Hence racist.

In short, his statement regarding migrants, was designed to paint them as inferior, and horrible people, and establishes a sort of imagery that creates fear, xenophobia and racism. This is why the right is rightfully derided as being hateful.

And looks like you had no response to the fact that the guy calling migrants rapists, is a rapist himself. 😂
 
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Yes…I actually prefer this structure with no audience, microphones cut off, etc. Somehow over the years I think debates had become more about spectacle and less about substance. They should do it this way for future political debates in my opinion.

One factor to consider is that of audience feedback.

And I am in no way saying that Trump didn't kill it in the debate and Biden fail miserably.

Trump gets HIGH off the adulation and feedback of the crowd. And gets carried away and exhibits classic ADHD verbal diarrhea. So when he didn't have that feedback, and had some Come-Jesus-Moment coaching, he didn't go off in lunatic rants. Although lying as usual, he presented very well and canme across as sincere and "Presidential".

Joe on the other hand, evidently needs that human interaction/feedback to get his energy. He looked like a deer in the headlights looking around aimlessly and had "Resting Idiot Face" when not speaking.

I also think that Biden may have been overly coached to go on attack mode in a way that was not authentic to what his authentic candid responses may be. For example. In response to whatever the first question was, Joe went off on a rapid fire, anti-Trump diatribe and tried to point out every single fault and transgression of Trump. Yet didn't answer the question!

That is not like Biden to my impression of him over the years. When commenting on Israel for example, he may go off and blame Hamas for the recent attacks etc, but he doesn't normally go off on other arab/muslim transgressions. (I am only using this as. an example...NOT commenting on his actual position... just as an example of his ability to stay relatively on the direct question.)

So, when Joe has to perform for a camera lens, and has also been coached and rehearsed for the weekend to make sure he goes on the attack on every one of these x,y,z points... I think that works against him.

I also think that that lack of audience feedback also was beneficial to Trump so he didn't get that adrenaline high that causes his incoherent rants and episodes. That often lead to him mis-speaking words or names in the rush of the moment.

One excuse that I might make for old Joe is that one bad night of sleep can really fuck you up. Especially as you get older. And especially if you've had a stressful week with other bad sleeps.

All the more reason to consider age limits in certain fields when you are dealing with the public. Wisdom can overcome much of the performance advantage of youth. But only to a point in some areas.

Too bad there were only these two choices in the US
 

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I did not say anything differently. I know what I posted. Yes, some migrants are likely to be criminals and rapists - I said that explicitly. But the majority of them are just poor people fleeing horrible conditions.

Trump however characterized ALLLLL of them as rapists. And here's why and let us dissect his statement:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. - Mexico isn't sending anybody. Those people are fleeing horrible conditions. Factually incorrect. Also it makes it sound like there is a plot to send "horrible people" to the US, which characterizes the entire group as inferior. Hence racist.
They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. - The point of assylum seeking or fleeing to another country, is escaping horrible conditions. However, to say they are bringing those horrible conditions with them, is to characterize the entire group as inferior. Hence racist.
They’re bringing drugs - "They" is an all encompassing term, directed at a group. He should have said, "Some of them". He chose to paint everyone as drug mules. Hence racist.
They’re bringing crime. - "They" is an all encompassing term, directed at a group. He should have said, "Some of them". He chose to paint everyone as criminals. Hence racist.
They’re rapists. - "They" is an all encompassing term, directed at a group. He should have said, "Some of them". He chose to paint everyone as rapists. Hence racist.
And some, I assume, are good people” - And the majority he assumes are bad people. Hence racist.

In short, his statement regarding migrants, was designed to paint them as inferior, and horrible people, and establishes a sort of imagery that creates fear, xenophobia and racism. This is why the right is rightfully derided as being hateful.

And looks like you had no response to the fact that the guy calling migrants rapists, is a rapist himself. 😂
You obviously dont read properly. He said Mexico is sending rapists, and some are good people.
Therefore that cannot be all Mexicans. Use your brain, Einstein
 

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And looks like you had no response to the fact that the guy calling migrants rapists, is a rapist himself. 😂
You mean the psycho woman who lied about Trump touching her??
Nobody with a brain believes her. Why do you think Trump keeps going up in the polls??!!
 
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You obviously dont read properly. He said Mexico is sending rapists, and some are good people.
Therefore that cannot be all Mexicans. Use your brain FFS
I dissected his statement for you, including wording that he should have used to not be racist. The fact that he even said Mexico is sending rapists, was racist - and you can find why in my previous post.
You mean the psycho woman who lied about Trump touching her??
I mean the woman who Trump raped putting his finger into her non-consensually.
 

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I dissected his statement for you, including wording that he should have used to not be racist. The fact that he even said Mexico is sending rapists, was racist - and you can find why in my previous post
Doesnt matter what you think. Trump is factually correct.
Mexcio is sending rapists, but not all Mexicans are rapists, some are good people.
This is what he said

I mean the woman who Trump raped putting his finger into her non-consensually.
According to the polls a majority of Americans dont believe her and are now supporting Trump.
A minority do believe her and support Biden
 
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Doesnt matter what you think. Trump is factually correct.
Mexcio is sending rapists, but not all Mexicans are rapists, some are good people.
This is what he said
No he is factually incorrect. Mexico is NOT sending anybody. Show me an official state policy of Mexico to send rapists to the US. There is none. And he should have said, as I indicated - "The majority are good people, with some issues of criminals getting through which we should address". Would have been a reasonable statement. But he chose to paint all of them negatively and called them inferior.
According to the polls a majority of Americans dont believe her and are now supporting Trump.
A minority do believe her and support Biden
Not sure if such a poll exists. But a crime of rape is not based on public opinion. Trump was found guilty of sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Caroll in a court of law. Hence rapist.
 

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No he is factually incorrect. Mexico is NOT sending anybody. Show me an official state policy of Mexico to send rapists to the US. There is none.
When migrants buy a train ticket, the trains are sending them. Ha!!! :p
Trump never claimed there was an official State policy
Not sure if such a poll exists. But a crime of rape is not based on public opinion. Trump was found guilty of sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Caroll in a court of law. Hence rapist
Politically motivated trial, and a heavily anti-Trump jury
 

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At least @Kautilya is now admitting that migrants do commit rapes on their way to the US.

This is progressive for him
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Since Trump was never convicted of rape and you keep reiterating on here that he has...That would make you a plain sad liar.
Yup, davie doesnt even know the difference between civil and criminal law
 

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Not sure if such a poll exists. But a crime of rape is not based on public opinion. Trump was found guilty of sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Caroll in a court of law. Hence rapist.
We've been over this ad nauseam and you continue to push the same lie.

Trump was never convicted of the felony crime of rape. Therefore he cannot be legally called a rapist.
 
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