if only Trump testified and told us why right before the election he paid a porn star a ton of money and then doubled it to offset cohen taxes, then maybe one would not believe that it was a campaign finance violation
Verdict reached in Trump hush money trial
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In our system of law here in the United States, crimes aren't assessed based on speculation. It's quite an amazing concept if you break it down.
Anyway, we have precedence in campaign finance law that basically says that candidates and their friends/supporters can preserve the appearance and reputation of candidates. There is no delineation between whether it is purely for personal reasons or for campaign purposes.
That's just the way Federal campaign finance law has worked. It was probably for the best as it would lead (and had led in the past i.e. John Edwards) to elected prosecutors trying to take down politicians for political benefit. Unfortunately, "getting Trump" seems to have made people lose their sense of direction with the law.
As far as why it happened before the election is irrelevant. I hear people say that it was too close to the election. It doesn't matter if it was one year before, six months before or whatever because we don't have to codify legal personal expenses. Besides, the amazing thing is that if this payment was classified as the prosecutor argues it would have been 2017 when is was reported.
By the way, you are bringing up some type of extraneous tax matter. The IRS is not pursuing charges as grossing up payments to cover a tax liability is not illegal as long as the IRS gets their cut.
grossing up is not illegal per se but such an extravagant expense creates an irresistible inference that trump knew this payment to be illegal...and surprise surprise! 12 people accepted it beyond a reasonable doubt
It's actually quite common in business to achieve a desired financial renumeration especially with employees or someone working on their behalf. There's a lot of overly-distilled information being reported from various media outlet. Perhaps this is your self-distillation.grossing up is not illegal per se but such an extravagant expense creates an irresistible inference that trump knew this payment to be illegal...and surprise surprise! 12 people accepted it beyond a reasonable doubt
I'd love to entertain this concept of the grossed-up payments to Cohen inferring guilt, but as said I and various Federal entities didn't see a campaign finance violation. The whole Trump himself thought he was violating campaign finance laws doesn't make it a crime in the eyes of the law. It's an interesting idea, but more than likely Trump and Cohen didn't know enough about campaign finance laws to really give the payments much thought.
No, though?
That's not correct.
"The payment to the mistress was a crime" wasn't a thing that had to be proved.
They have moved very little and I don't expect them to move much.
It has been close, it will be close.
If you view everything from the point of view of the horse race, then anything other than "It stops Trump" would be a failure.
I believe your employing a bit of wordsmithing in quotations attempting to obfuscate what people have actually been saying. What has been said is that the New York DA would have and still might have to prove a federal election campaign finance violation. And even at that he would have to prove it was a felony violation.
None of these arguments are new and peculiar to threads here. There widely discussed in the public arena. In fact, it seems the general public is underwhelmed with the New York case.
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If you follow my posts, you should get the picture that I tend to lean on the practical reality whether people on the left and right like hearing them.
Having said that, what public purpose (after all that time and money) was served in this case if Trump is given probation? I don't know anyone who really believes that these NY codes were creatively applied to send a general message to all politicians who would attempt payments of this nature. "The State has sent a message" Really?
"It stops Trump" is not the standard I have established. It's clear that this is what many people on the Left are cheering and demanding from this prosecution.
I know people have been saying that.
It just doesn't appear to be true, from what I can gather.
It's a political line being used as an argument on talk shows.
Which is, again, only of real importance if you think the point of the case is to affect the election.
So you just don't think the law should be applied?
Personally, I am happy to see white collar crime prosecuted more.
Do you think jail is the only useful outcome here?
It does appear to be the standard you are using, though.
You keep saying that it isn't affecting the election and people don't mostly care, therefore it was useless and shouldn't have been done.
I don't disagree that there are many people who viewed it this way - I think they were wrong to do so.
How many times have I had to explain on this very board that Trump can absolutely run from prison and wouldn't even be the first to do so?
Imagine that in 2016 Trump would be given some kind of a magical guarantee that when the affair becomes public knowledge no Joe Schmoe is going to change their vote .
In this scenario does anyone seriously believe that Trump would still pay stormy?
You can't just talk about paying Stormy Daniels - you have to look at the whole deal with the National Enquirer.
Another win for Trump. Manhattan prosecutors agree to delay Trump's sentencing
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Judge Delays Trump’s Sentencing Until Sept. 18 After Immunity Claim
Donald J. Trump’s lawyers want to argue that a Supreme Court decision giving presidents immunity for official acts should void his felony conviction for covering up hush money paid to a porn star.
BREAKING IN NEW YORK: Trump’s July 11 sentencing is likely to be delayed until after July 24 following his July 1 request for court permission to file a motion to overturn a jury verdict based on a new Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity. NOTE: Trump argued that evidence of his official acts, which he sought to exclude in a pre-trial motion on March 7, should not have been used in the trial. NOTE: Judge Merchan had denied that motion and allowed the trial to proceed. NOTE: Trump claims the SCOTUS decision now supports his position and seeks until July 10 to file his motion. NOTE: The Manhattan DA's Office noted that Trump's request for a July 10 deadline would delay his July 11 sentencing. While the DA's Office believes Trump's motion lacks merit, it does not oppose the extension and asks to have until July 24 to respond.
Based on the Supreme Court decision. Game it over..checkmate! The Trump Hush Money Trial will be verdicts is overturned!!!
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