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The Effect of the Wonderful World of Unfettered Capitalistic Greed on the Housing Market

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‘The condo market right now is a ghost town’: Toronto has a record number of units for sale. Here’s why they aren’t selling despite a housing crisis
‘Something is wrong with the market when we have housing nobody wants and homelessness at the same time,’ says Coun. Gord Perks, Toronto’s planning and housing chair.

June 14, 2024

By Diana ZlomislicHousing Reporter

In the thick of a housing crisis, there is suddenly a record number of homes for sale in Toronto that nobody wants.

Near Jarvis and Dundas streets, realtor Jamie Page warned his clients two months ago that their condo’s unobstructed lake views, designer credentials and a balcony might not be enough to quickly bait a buyer. He’s not happy to be right. At the end of April, they dropped the price by $21,000 to $589,900 for 550 square feet, which is below average for that size and location. Still, no bites. Not even a showing.

“The condo market right now is a ghost town,” said Page. “I have zero action.”

With a growing number of Torontonians facing homelessness in the past three months — nearly 11,000 people including more families, according to a city report — a record number of condominium apartments, generally the most affordable form of housing, has flooded the city’s housing market.

The homes up for grabs are typically smaller-sized units that were built for investors like Page’s clients who are trying to cash out before their profit margin disappears.

Some realtors and politicians say the flatlining of Toronto’s condo market is proof the provincial government’s attempt to fix the housing crisis has backfired because it has catered to developers, investors and speculators instead of ordinary people who need somewhere affordable to live.

“Something is wrong with the market when we have housing nobody wants and homelessness at the same time,” said Coun. Gord Perks, chair of the City of Toronto’s planning and housing committee.

At the end of May, Greater Toronto had the highest number of condos for sale for any month in recent history with 8,183 apartment units on the market. The last highest number of active condo listings was 7,600 in October 2020.

Buyers are also shying away from investing in condos that are not yet built. Pre-construction condo sales are down 74 per cent this year compared with the 10-year average, Altus reports.

“We’re not building enough houses, and fewer and fewer lowrise houses, which means we don’t have anywhere for tomorrow’s families to live,” said John Pasalis, president of Realosophy, a Toronto-based real estate brokerage that specializes in housing market data analysis.

“Toronto’s housing market has prioritized micro-sized condos for investors over the past 20 years,” Pasalis said. “Mom and pop investors want small units. Policymakers didn’t step in to reverse that direction.”

The number of new listings for condos has increased 30 per cent since last May, Pasalis’s analysis of MLS property data shows. Suites in the 500- to 599-square-foot range grew by 49 per cent year over year. The average list price is $593,000.

“In many ways, families have been kind of shut out of the condo market,” Pasalis said. “It’s been dominated by investors so the price per square foot is very high.”

The average price for a resale condo in downtown Toronto is about $1,000 per square foot while presale condo units downtown are substantially higher at $1,500, which reflects increased labour and construction costs and the fact investors are willing to pay more.

Why would investors pay more?

“Most reasonable people would have the same question,” Pasalis said.

“Especially since 2020, many who bought (pre-construction condos) weren’t planning on closing,” he said, noting they planned to sell it on assignment — a legal transaction in which the original pre-construction buyer transfers the rights and obligations of the purchase agreement to another buyer. “It looked like a way to make easy money where you don’t have to worry about tenants and rent. You buy it, flip it and make $150,000 to $250,000.”

A spokesperson for the City of Toronto said there’s nothing it can do to stem the construction of small, investor-geared units. It has released guidelines for developers, encouraging them to think about young and growing families when designing “vertical communities” but can’t force them to make larger suites.

“The provincial government has been throwing gasoline on that fire by cutting development charges,” said Perks (Parkdale — High Park), “which further incentivizes investor and speculator parts of the market.”

Perks said he finds it difficult to articulate his outrage on this issue.

“The province’s solution to Ontario’s housing crisis has been to get rid of planning laws, development fees, the right of the public to have a conversation about the kind of city they want and magically it will be fixed,” he said. “Well, here we are at the end of the story and we’ve got empty condo units and people who can’t afford to live in the city. They were completely wrong.”

The province didn’t respond to the Star’s request for comment Thursday.

While the Bank of Canada cut its key interest rate by 25 basis points to 4.75 per cent last week, signalling some relief for potential homebuyers following a very aggressive period of rate hikes, the reduction is still not enough to help many qualify for new mortgages.

Realtors expect many buyers to remain on the sidelines for several more months, until the central bank issues a few more rate reductions.

In the meantime, sellers might consider spending a little more money to take their best shot at moving their condos.

“If I had a cookie-cutter unit in a 30-storey tower similar to a lot of other buildings out there, I’d try to make it look as good as possible, stage it and make it available for showings any time,” said Ira Jelinek, a realtor with Harvey Kalles.

Smart buyers are also taking full advantage of their negotiating power, added Page, a realtor for Royal LePage State in Ancaster. On another listing in Hamilton recently, a buyer asked Page’s client to lower the price, paint the unit and replace its flooring.

“My client didn’t agree but why not ask,” said Page. “Somebody might be fed up enough to want to get rid of it.

However, buyers shouldn’t expect prices to budge dramatically, Pasalis said. Not yet, anyway.

“Even though listings are at an all-time high, it’s still technically a balanced market,” he said.

Prices aren’t plummeting because many investors have equity in their properties and are trying to be patient. In this market, a sale can take 3.5 to four months, Pasalis said.

“Investors feel it’s terrible because they’re used to their investments selling in a week.”


Thank you Doug.
 

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Dutch Oven

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Gord Perks couldn't know less about the free market or about the housing market in particular.

The simple reason condos are priced the way they are is because of the price it took to purchase or build them (at much lower interest rates) and a shortage of single family housing at the next tier (driving the price of those homes up, despite interest rates). The simple reason that people aren't buying condos is that the economy still sucks (net wage reduction after inflation and increased taxation at all levels) and not that many people think that now is the time to dive into their first property purchase when all of: prices, inflation and interest rates are still running high. Purchasers are waiting for at least one of these factors to cool off. Perks only real life experience (if you could call it that) is working for environmental advocacy groups. He knows ZERO about how the housing market works, or the economy in general. He shows his stupidity in this article by noting that condos are overpriced and then advocating for higher development fees (which, of course, would only raise prices more - as even an idiot like him should understand).
 
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Anbarandy

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Wow.

The view from a bunker in rural Shitsville, Ontario is drastically different than from reality.

It's 1992 and you're still in a hole in the ground without a view.
 
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‘The condo market right now is a ghost town’: Toronto has a record number of units for sale. Here’s why they aren’t selling despite a housing crisis
‘Something is wrong with the market when we have housing nobody wants and homelessness at the same time,’ says Coun. Gord Perks, Toronto’s planning and housing chair.

June 14, 2024

By Diana ZlomislicHousing Reporter

In the thick of a housing crisis, there is suddenly a record number of homes for sale in Toronto that nobody wants.

Near Jarvis and Dundas streets, realtor Jamie Page warned his clients two months ago that their condo’s unobstructed lake views, designer credentials and a balcony might not be enough to quickly bait a buyer. He’s not happy to be right. At the end of April, they dropped the price by $21,000 to $589,900 for 550 square feet, which is below average for that size and location. Still, no bites. Not even a showing.

“The condo market right now is a ghost town,” said Page. “I have zero action.”

With a growing number of Torontonians facing homelessness in the past three months — nearly 11,000 people including more families, according to a city report — a record number of condominium apartments, generally the most affordable form of housing, has flooded the city’s housing market.

The homes up for grabs are typically smaller-sized units that were built for investors like Page’s clients who are trying to cash out before their profit margin disappears.

Some realtors and politicians say the flatlining of Toronto’s condo market is proof the provincial government’s attempt to fix the housing crisis has backfired because it has catered to developers, investors and speculators instead of ordinary people who need somewhere affordable to live.

“Something is wrong with the market when we have housing nobody wants and homelessness at the same time,” said Coun. Gord Perks, chair of the City of Toronto’s planning and housing committee.

At the end of May, Greater Toronto had the highest number of condos for sale for any month in recent history with 8,183 apartment units on the market. The last highest number of active condo listings was 7,600 in October 2020.

Buyers are also shying away from investing in condos that are not yet built. Pre-construction condo sales are down 74 per cent this year compared with the 10-year average, Altus reports.

“We’re not building enough houses, and fewer and fewer lowrise houses, which means we don’t have anywhere for tomorrow’s families to live,” said John Pasalis, president of Realosophy, a Toronto-based real estate brokerage that specializes in housing market data analysis.

“Toronto’s housing market has prioritized micro-sized condos for investors over the past 20 years,” Pasalis said. “Mom and pop investors want small units. Policymakers didn’t step in to reverse that direction.”

The number of new listings for condos has increased 30 per cent since last May, Pasalis’s analysis of MLS property data shows. Suites in the 500- to 599-square-foot range grew by 49 per cent year over year. The average list price is $593,000.

“In many ways, families have been kind of shut out of the condo market,” Pasalis said. “It’s been dominated by investors so the price per square foot is very high.”

The average price for a resale condo in downtown Toronto is about $1,000 per square foot while presale condo units downtown are substantially higher at $1,500, which reflects increased labour and construction costs and the fact investors are willing to pay more.

Why would investors pay more?

“Most reasonable people would have the same question,” Pasalis said.

“Especially since 2020, many who bought (pre-construction condos) weren’t planning on closing,” he said, noting they planned to sell it on assignment — a legal transaction in which the original pre-construction buyer transfers the rights and obligations of the purchase agreement to another buyer. “It looked like a way to make easy money where you don’t have to worry about tenants and rent. You buy it, flip it and make $150,000 to $250,000.”

A spokesperson for the City of Toronto said there’s nothing it can do to stem the construction of small, investor-geared units. It has released guidelines for developers, encouraging them to think about young and growing families when designing “vertical communities” but can’t force them to make larger suites.

“The provincial government has been throwing gasoline on that fire by cutting development charges,” said Perks (Parkdale — High Park), “which further incentivizes investor and speculator parts of the market.”

Perks said he finds it difficult to articulate his outrage on this issue.

“The province’s solution to Ontario’s housing crisis has been to get rid of planning laws, development fees, the right of the public to have a conversation about the kind of city they want and magically it will be fixed,” he said. “Well, here we are at the end of the story and we’ve got empty condo units and people who can’t afford to live in the city. They were completely wrong.”

The province didn’t respond to the Star’s request for comment Thursday.

While the Bank of Canada cut its key interest rate by 25 basis points to 4.75 per cent last week, signalling some relief for potential homebuyers following a very aggressive period of rate hikes, the reduction is still not enough to help many qualify for new mortgages.

Realtors expect many buyers to remain on the sidelines for several more months, until the central bank issues a few more rate reductions.

In the meantime, sellers might consider spending a little more money to take their best shot at moving their condos.

“If I had a cookie-cutter unit in a 30-storey tower similar to a lot of other buildings out there, I’d try to make it look as good as possible, stage it and make it available for showings any time,” said Ira Jelinek, a realtor with Harvey Kalles.

Smart buyers are also taking full advantage of their negotiating power, added Page, a realtor for Royal LePage State in Ancaster. On another listing in Hamilton recently, a buyer asked Page’s client to lower the price, paint the unit and replace its flooring.

“My client didn’t agree but why not ask,” said Page. “Somebody might be fed up enough to want to get rid of it.

However, buyers shouldn’t expect prices to budge dramatically, Pasalis said. Not yet, anyway.

“Even though listings are at an all-time high, it’s still technically a balanced market,” he said.

Prices aren’t plummeting because many investors have equity in their properties and are trying to be patient. In this market, a sale can take 3.5 to four months, Pasalis said.

“Investors feel it’s terrible because they’re used to their investments selling in a week.”


Thank you Doug.
Maybe people are getting tired of living in showboxes in the sky within a crowded downtown core?
Maybe they would prefer a house over a condo?
If only people would have allowed DoFo to free up accessible land to build houses on. Pity.
Leopards eat their face.
 

Anbarandy

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That's two from 1992 who are still in holes in the ground without a view.

Who do you think built these shoebox condos? Answer - Private sector developers.

Who do you think bought more than 70% of these shoebox condos? - Investors and speculators

What market segment did these developers build these shoebox condos for? - Investors and speculators, both corporate and mom and pop shops.

Is it really too much to ask for ninnies to use analytical skills to see the connection? - Yes, yes it is.

As if building large lot single family $3milliom McMansions in the Greenbelt and farmers field will help solve the housing affordability crisis.

Investors and speculators have cornered the market for housing and everyone else loses.
 
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As if building large lot single family $3milliom McMansions in the Greenbelt and farmers field will help solve the housing affordability crisis.
This is the point you're too dim to absorb - YES, IT WILL!

The real estate market is a LADDER. Supply at the highest point produces supply at EVERY lower rung. You should walk over to Home Depot and ask someone there to show you how a ladder works. Maybe someone you know with a house can show you where to find one of their locations.
 
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That's two from 1992 who are still in holes in the ground without a view.

Who do you think built these showbox condos? Answer - Private sector developers.

Who do you think bought more than 70% of these showbox condos? - Investors and speculators

What market segment did these developers build these shoebox condos for? - Investors and speculators, both corporate and mom and pop shops.

Is it really too much to ask for ninnies to use analytical skills to see the connection? - Yes, yes it is.

As if building large lot single family $3milliom McMansions in the Greenbelt and farmers field will help solve the housing affordability crisis.

Investors and speculators have cornered the market for housing and everyone else loses.
The developers built the condos for anyone who was willing to live in the city. They also had to abide by city planners regulations including a certain % allocated to 1 bedroom, 2 bedroom etc. The more units the more property tax collected right. The problem now is the spike in the interest rates and the lack of demand for living in the city thanks to the pandemic and piss poor city management.
 
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Skoob

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That's two from 1992 who are still in holes in the ground without a view.

Who do you think built these showbox condos? Answer - Private sector developers.

Who do you think bought more than 70% of these showbox condos? - Investors and speculators

What market segment did these developers build these shoebox condos for? - Investors and speculators, both corporate and mom and pop shops.

Is it really too much to ask for ninnies to use analytical skills to see the connection? - Yes, yes it is.

As if building large lot single family $3milliom McMansions in the Greenbelt and farmers field will help solve the housing affordability crisis.

Investors and speculators have cornered the market for housing and everyone else loses.
Are you suggesting that developers build stuff for people that will buy it?

Stop the presses! Forget about the Theory of Relativity, what you just outlined is revolutionary thinking!!! Wow!

Imagine someone investing in something that will make money based on demand.

You...you are going places kiddo!

Can you also share your knowledge about how that thing they call "fire" works? And then if you have a couple extra minutes, that round thing they call a "wheel".

Sorry if that takes you away from your deep-thinking time.
 
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‘The condo market right now is a ghost town’: Toronto has a record number of units for sale. Here’s why they aren’t selling despite a housing crisis
‘Something is wrong with the market when we have housing nobody wants and homelessness at the same time,’ says Coun. Gord Perks, Toronto’s planning and housing chair.

June 14, 2024

By Diana ZlomislicHousing Reporter

In the thick of a housing crisis, there is suddenly a record number of homes for sale in Toronto that nobody wants.

Near Jarvis and Dundas streets, realtor Jamie Page warned his clients two months ago that their condo’s unobstructed lake views, designer credentials and a balcony might not be enough to quickly bait a buyer. He’s not happy to be right. At the end of April, they dropped the price by $21,000 to $589,900 for 550 square feet, which is below average for that size and location. Still, no bites. Not even a showing.

“The condo market right now is a ghost town,” said Page. “I have zero action.”

With a growing number of Torontonians facing homelessness in the past three months — nearly 11,000 people including more families, according to a city report — a record number of condominium apartments, generally the most affordable form of housing, has flooded the city’s housing market.

The homes up for grabs are typically smaller-sized units that were built for investors like Page’s clients who are trying to cash out before their profit margin disappears.

Some realtors and politicians say the flatlining of Toronto’s condo market is proof the provincial government’s attempt to fix the housing crisis has backfired because it has catered to developers, investors and speculators instead of ordinary people who need somewhere affordable to live.

“Something is wrong with the market when we have housing nobody wants and homelessness at the same time,” said Coun. Gord Perks, chair of the City of Toronto’s planning and housing committee.

At the end of May, Greater Toronto had the highest number of condos for sale for any month in recent history with 8,183 apartment units on the market. The last highest number of active condo listings was 7,600 in October 2020.

Buyers are also shying away from investing in condos that are not yet built. Pre-construction condo sales are down 74 per cent this year compared with the 10-year average, Altus reports.

“We’re not building enough houses, and fewer and fewer lowrise houses, which means we don’t have anywhere for tomorrow’s families to live,” said John Pasalis, president of Realosophy, a Toronto-based real estate brokerage that specializes in housing market data analysis.

“Toronto’s housing market has prioritized micro-sized condos for investors over the past 20 years,” Pasalis said. “Mom and pop investors want small units. Policymakers didn’t step in to reverse that direction.”

The number of new listings for condos has increased 30 per cent since last May, Pasalis’s analysis of MLS property data shows. Suites in the 500- to 599-square-foot range grew by 49 per cent year over year. The average list price is $593,000.

“In many ways, families have been kind of shut out of the condo market,” Pasalis said. “It’s been dominated by investors so the price per square foot is very high.”

The average price for a resale condo in downtown Toronto is about $1,000 per square foot while presale condo units downtown are substantially higher at $1,500, which reflects increased labour and construction costs and the fact investors are willing to pay more.

Why would investors pay more?

“Most reasonable people would have the same question,” Pasalis said.

“Especially since 2020, many who bought (pre-construction condos) weren’t planning on closing,” he said, noting they planned to sell it on assignment — a legal transaction in which the original pre-construction buyer transfers the rights and obligations of the purchase agreement to another buyer. “It looked like a way to make easy money where you don’t have to worry about tenants and rent. You buy it, flip it and make $150,000 to $250,000.”

A spokesperson for the City of Toronto said there’s nothing it can do to stem the construction of small, investor-geared units. It has released guidelines for developers, encouraging them to think about young and growing families when designing “vertical communities” but can’t force them to make larger suites.

“The provincial government has been throwing gasoline on that fire by cutting development charges,” said Perks (Parkdale — High Park), “which further incentivizes investor and speculator parts of the market.”

Perks said he finds it difficult to articulate his outrage on this issue.

“The province’s solution to Ontario’s housing crisis has been to get rid of planning laws, development fees, the right of the public to have a conversation about the kind of city they want and magically it will be fixed,” he said. “Well, here we are at the end of the story and we’ve got empty condo units and people who can’t afford to live in the city. They were completely wrong.”

The province didn’t respond to the Star’s request for comment Thursday.

While the Bank of Canada cut its key interest rate by 25 basis points to 4.75 per cent last week, signalling some relief for potential homebuyers following a very aggressive period of rate hikes, the reduction is still not enough to help many qualify for new mortgages.

Realtors expect many buyers to remain on the sidelines for several more months, until the central bank issues a few more rate reductions.

In the meantime, sellers might consider spending a little more money to take their best shot at moving their condos.

“If I had a cookie-cutter unit in a 30-storey tower similar to a lot of other buildings out there, I’d try to make it look as good as possible, stage it and make it available for showings any time,” said Ira Jelinek, a realtor with Harvey Kalles.

Smart buyers are also taking full advantage of their negotiating power, added Page, a realtor for Royal LePage State in Ancaster. On another listing in Hamilton recently, a buyer asked Page’s client to lower the price, paint the unit and replace its flooring.

“My client didn’t agree but why not ask,” said Page. “Somebody might be fed up enough to want to get rid of it.

However, buyers shouldn’t expect prices to budge dramatically, Pasalis said. Not yet, anyway.

“Even though listings are at an all-time high, it’s still technically a balanced market,” he said.

Prices aren’t plummeting because many investors have equity in their properties and are trying to be patient. In this market, a sale can take 3.5 to four months, Pasalis said.

“Investors feel it’s terrible because they’re used to their investments selling in a week.”


Thank you Doug.
Unfettered is a funny word
 

Anbarandy

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This is the point you're too dim to absorb - YES, IT WILL!

The real estate market is a LADDER. Supply at the highest point produces supply at EVERY lower rung. You should walk over to Home Depot and ask someone there to show you how a ladder works. Maybe someone you know with a house can show you where to find one of their locations.
Still stuck in '92 in a hole in the ground without a view.

The ladder is f*cken broken, Bud.

The financialization and monetization of housing by investors/speculators shattered what was once the reality that you now pine for. Sad news for you Bud, it just doesn't exist anymore except maybe for those privileged few.
 

Anbarandy

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The developers built the condos for anyone who was willing to live in the city. They also had to abide by city planners regulations including a certain % allocated to 1 bedroom, 2 bedroom etc. The more units the more property tax collected right. The problem now is the spike in the interest rates and the lack of demand for living in the city thanks to the pandemic and piss poor city management.
:ROFLMAO:
 

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This is what I expect of GTA in the future. We will need
to build more shelters than condos at some point.

 

Anbarandy

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Are you suggesting that developers build stuff for people that will buy it?

Stop the presses! Forget about the Theory of Relativity, what you just outlined is revolutionary thinking!!! Wow!

Imagine someone investing in something that will make money based on demand.

You...you are going places kiddo!

Can you also share your knowledge about how that thing they call "fire" works? And then if you have a couple extra minutes, that round thing they call a "wheel".

Sorry if that takes you away from your deep-thinking time.
No one is buying anything that developers are peddling anymore, let alone building.

Their once sole audience/market, that being speculators, who drove the type of housing that developers built, small shoebox condo units that these speculators would buy in droves, have now kissed their sorry developer's asses goodbye.

Look at the frickin numbers.

Pre-construction condo unit sales are down 74% from the 10 year average.

Unsold shoebox unit listings, the ones that speculators told, told, told developers to build are up 50%.

If you are suggesting that developers build stuff that people will buy, the answer is a resounding NO.

If you are suggesting that developers build for speculators, the answer is YES.

If you are suggesting that you know jack shit, the answer is a f*ckin resounding YES.
 
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This article is horribly written. I'm not sure what this journalist is even trying to say.

It's a bunch of random facts that don't line up or conclude to anything.
 

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Buying a condo in Toronto is just not good use of your money. Better just rent and build a house in the Caribbean or whatever lol.
 
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This article is horribly written. I'm not sure what this journalist is even trying to say.

It's a bunch of random facts that don't line up or conclude to anything.
And the reporter is a tart!
 

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No one is buying anything that developers are peddling anymore, let alone building.

Their once sole audience that drove the type of housing that they built, small shoebox condo units that speculators would buy in droves, have kissed they're sorry asses goodbye.

Look at the frickin numbers.

Pre-construction condo unit sales are down 74% from the 10 year average.

Unsold shoebox unit listings, the ones that speculators told, told, told developers to build are up 50%.

If you are suggesting that developers build stuff that people will buy, the answer is a resounding NO.

If you are suggesting that developers build for speculators, the answer is YES.

If you are suggesting that you know jack shit, the answer is a f*ckin resounding YES.
If you understood how real-estate works you would see that short term vision means nothing...it's the long term that counts.
Explains why you live in a tent and blame investors rather than blaming yourself.

Just because someone has made investments, has taken risks and has made good decisions to end up owning property, doesn't make them a bad person.

Don't be a whiny communist.
 

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Are you suggesting that developers build stuff for people that will buy it?

Stop the presses! Forget about the Theory of Relativity, what you just outlined is revolutionary thinking!!! Wow!

Imagine someone investing in something that will make money based on demand.

You...you are going places kiddo!

Can you also share your knowledge about how that thing they call "fire" works? And then if you have a couple extra minutes, that round thing they call a "wheel".

Sorry if that takes you away from your deep-thinking time.
Sorry Skoob, but you have out done yourself with your depth and extent of sarcasm. It says more about you than you think it does, and none of it is good!
 
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If you understood how real-estate works you would see that short term vision means nothing...it's the long term that counts.
Explains why you live in a tent and blame investors rather than blaming yourself.

Just because someone has made investments, has taken risks and has made good decisions to end up owning property, doesn't make them a bad person.

Don't be a whiny communist.
And don't forget the countless jobs real estate development creates.
 
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