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This one is really bugging you, isn't it grandpa?
Not in the slightest.

When you post racist and ageist comments, it reflects on you, not me.

But the funniest is your admission that all your attempts at naming me have failed. And not a single one had any wit or ingenuity. Klatuu got it on his first attempt. And I even gave him immediate approval. And that was before your lame copycat attempts. You have no sense of humour.

Keep using it, it makes you look foolish each time and it bothers me not in the least.

And whatever you say about me does not change the fact that you, Geno, are morally bankrupt. And all of TERB sees it.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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It is a lie. Why haven't the other hostages reported sexual assault after being released? Palestinian women have a reason to not report, because the IDF know where she lives and they have hell to pay if they say something. Why would an Israeli women not report sexual assault AFTER being released? And no, they weren't able to find forensic evidence even from those dead bodies. And even if almost all are dead, it automatically follows that not ALL are dead. So where are the rest? Why aren't they coming forward, to Israeli media? Because it did not happen and most women neither want to falsely debase themselves as victims of rape nor do they want to play to Bibi's bullshit propaganda.

Considering the number of accusations of rape, and considering the number of women that were abducted, and considering there are MORE female hostages who praise Hamas compared to the ONE AND ONLY female hostage who is reporting sexual assault, I will conclude that this is a Zionist fabrication. There is also the fact that this hostage was released in November, and she said nothing, and then suddenly months later, she remembers she was raped. I mean HAMAS kidnaps you, rapes you and your country is in a war, and you casually remember you were RAPED 6 months later?

Her claims are neither credible, nor true. This is as I said before, a Zionist fabrication and a bone for you to chew on, that they threw your way. So try again, Phil.
Yup, the UN is a Zionist organization :rolleyes:

 

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No there arent. Right from your link, only 2 accusations of rape


This is why people dont take you seriously on this forum.
Have a look: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147217

The UN’s special envoy on sexual violence in conflict has reported “clear and convincing information” that some women and children hostages held by Hamas had been subjected to rape and sexualised torture and that there were “reasonable grounds” to believe such abuses were “ongoing”. The special envoy, Pramila Patten, also reported on Monday that there were “reasonable grounds” to believe sexual assaults including rape and gang-rape in several places took place during the 7 October attacks by Hamas

Now that you are quoting and believing UN reports there is a long list for you to get through.

 
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Yes everything critical of Israel is "Hamas".

I do believe reports from the UN and other human rights organizations.


Middle east eye is funded by Qatar where the leaders of Hamas currently lives.

And MEE is fake news central

 

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So what? They are "Mostly Factual" in their reporting and have "High Credibility" as rated by MediaBiasFactCheck.

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Here is CNN's to compare. In short, they are just as credible.

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Mediabiasfactcheck is also fake and misleading
So what? They are "Mostly Factual" in their reporting and have "High Credibility" as rated by MediaBiasFactCheck.

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Here is CNN's to compare. In short, they are just as credible.

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And here is Arab News, the source you used to call MEE not credible. 😂 😂

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so you have no problem with news outlets liked to Hamas the terror group? typical of pro-pallys for being apologists for hamas and terrorism and you are the same one that defends the intimidation of Jewish students when they are blocked from going to classes they paid for




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Children are starving to death at the hands of a country on the same moral footing as Isis and the Taliban.

Israel joins ISIL, Taliban, Sudan on UN Blacklist of Violators of Children, Killing or Maiming 20,000 last Year

The Israel government is calling on the IDF to stop protecting aid convoys to Gaza, so Israeli terrorists can attack them.



 

Phil C. McNasty

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8. The mission team also faced specific challenges in gathering and verifying information on the occurrence of conflict-related sexual violence. The main challenge was the limited number of and access to survivors/victims of sexual violence, and to survivors and witnesses of the 7 October attacks
Exactly, UN had limited access because the Oct. 7th victims are all dead
 

Phil C. McNasty

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We are talking about survivors of these alleged rapes. The UN mission concluded that these survivors would not come forward even when urged.

The very statement you quoted, says that they had access. Limited access, is still access. And it was not limited because of survivors dying. It was limited because they did not want to come forward, even when urged, as it was explained in the very same sentence that you conveniently edited out which I will quote here - " ...it did not meet with any survivor/victim of sexual violence from 7 October despite concerted efforts encouraging them to come forward".
Maybe they felt ashamed?? Ever think of that??

BTW do you acknowledge the holocaust happened?? Yes or no??
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Or may be the rapes just did not happen. 🤷‍♂️
They most definitely happened. Unless you think NY Times is lying, and are "zionists" as well


In a grainy video, you can see her, lying on her back, dress torn, legs spread, vagina exposed. Her face is burned beyond recognition and her right hand covers her eyes.
The video was shot in the early hours of Oct. 8 by a woman searching for a missing friend at the site of the rave in southern Israel where, the day before, Hamas terrorists massacred hundreds of young Israelis.

The video went viral, with thousands of people responding, desperate to know if the woman in the black dress was their missing friend, sister or daughter.
One family knew exactly who she was — Gal Abdush, mother of two from a working-class town in central Israel, who disappeared from the rave that night with her husband.

As the terrorists closed in on her, trapped on a highway in a line of cars of people trying to flee the party, she sent one final WhatsApp message to her family: “You don’t understand.”
Based largely on the video evidence — which was verified by The New York Times — Israeli police officials said they believed that Ms. Abdush was raped, and she has become a symbol of the horrors visited upon Israeli women and girls during the Oct. 7 attacks.
 

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Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated
Four witnesses described in graphic detail seeing women raped and killed at two different places along Route 232, the same highway where Ms. Abdush’s half-naked body was found sprawled on the road at a third location.

And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.
 

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Many of the accounts are difficult to bear, and the visual evidence is disturbing to see.
The Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin.
The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military, showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas.
 

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Sapir, a 26-year-old accountant, has become one of the Israeli police’s key witnesses. She does not want to be fully identified, saying she would be hounded for the rest of her life if her last name were revealed.

She attended the rave with several friends and provided investigators with graphic testimony. She also spoke to The Times. In a two-hour interview outside a cafe in southern Israel, she recounted seeing groups of heavily armed gunmen rape and kill at least five women.
 

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The first victim she said she saw was a young woman with copper-color hair, blood running down her back, pants pushed down to her knees. One man pulled her by the hair and made her bend over. Another penetrated her, Sapir said, and every time she flinched, he plunged a knife into her back.

She said she then watched another woman “shredded into pieces.” While one terrorist raped her, she said, another pulled out a box cutter and sliced off her breast.
“One continues to rape her, and the other throws her breast to someone else, and they play with it, throw it, and it falls on the road,” Sapir said.
 

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One continues to rape her, and the other throws her breast to someone else, and they play with it, throw it, and it falls on the road,” Sapir said.
She said the men sliced her face and then the woman fell out of view. Around the same time, she said, she saw three other women raped and terrorists carrying the severed heads of three more women.

Sapir provided photographs of her hiding place and her wounds, and police officials have stood by her testimony and released a video of her, with her face blurred, recounting some of what she saw.

Yura Karol, a 22-year-old security consultant, said he was hiding in the same spot, and he can be seen in one of Sapir’s photos. He and Sapir were part of a group of friends who had met up at the party. In an interview, Mr. Karol said he barely lifted his head to look at the road but he also described seeing a woman raped and killed.

Since that day, Sapir said, she has struggled with a painful rash that spread across her torso, and she can barely sleep, waking up at night, heart pounding, covered in sweat.
 
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