Verdict reached in Trump hush money trial

[Valcazar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1796888666175832345

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@Timcast
Tim Pool had to cut the feed. He ended the stream when I said people who committed treason in our country (I was talking about the Democrats who staged a coup against Donald Trump) should be tried for TREASON and get the DEATH PENALTY. Apparently you’re not allowed to say that on YouTube even though it’s literally in our US legal system…. I am not angry with Tim. It’s not his fault that YouTube is pro-censorship. Obviously I don’t want his account to be taken down just because I was defending Donald Trump and because I said there needs to be a trial and then the maximum punishment on the books for TREASON. I stand by everything I said. The Leftists at the top of this lawfare machine are committing treason. Many of these efforts are funded by the CCP. These lawfare agents and communists deserve the death penalty. I will say it till I’m blue in the face because it’s TRUE. I believe Tim Pool is posting the show on Rumble. Hopefully he will tweet the link out so all Of you can watch the show. Here’s the clip explaining why the YouTube stream was ended by Tim.

I knew Loomer was a bit of a nutjob, but does she not know how Treason is defined in the US?

 

[mandrill]

nothing to do with color. All those people your govt is letting in don’t give a shit about Canada. It’s almost an open border to get some quick money influx into Canada by creating fake schools.

News to me, bud. All the immigrants I know disrupted their lives and families to come here and search for something better and they care about Canada as much as anyone.

In America, the Indian population is the best of the best. Highest earners in the country. In Canada, you’re letting the D team from India. No strategy other than to quickly replace the old people that died from Covid without any vetting.

Quite the expert. Why don't you give us the stats and analysis?

biden administration is doing the same with the southern border. That’s why I’m saying I hope the US doesn’t turn into what Canada had become.

Biden administration would love to turn off the tap, but the GOP won't vote for that because they want to use the border as an election issue.

Tell me that you don't understand the news without actually saying "I don't understand my own news programming".

 

[Valcazar]

Doesn’t matter what people normally have gotten. Democats are not playing by the books and will put him in jail.

By the books would mean he could go to jail for contempt, of course.
But I doubt he will get prison time.
If he does, it won't happen until after the election anyway, since I suspect the sentence will be held off pending appeals.

Democracy is dying in America.

This is true,
Trump and the GOP have made their contempt for democracy clear for years now.
I remain hopeful that it can be saved, but it is far from a sure thing.

Biden can’t win this legitametly so they are changing the rules as they go along to inflict maximum damage to Trump.

What rules have they changed, Eddie?

 

[mandrill]

Doesn’t matter what people normally have gotten. Democats are not playing by the books and will put him in jail.

Probation is the range and the judge won't go outside the range. It would make Turnipman a martyr and would set up an easy appeal.

You don't understand anything about law, do you?

Democracy is dying in America. Biden can’t win this legitametly so they are changing the rules as they go along to inflict maximum damage to Trump.

They're not changing the rules. It's just that Trump makes such an easy target to beat up on in court. It's so hard to resist.

 

[mandrill]

I knew Loomer was a bit of a nutjob, but does she not know how Treason is defined in the US?

Her whole career - like MTG - is about ranting nonsense to the Base. Why would she know how Treason is defined or even give a fuck?!

 

[mandrill]

Not always true. There is jury bias. If you don't think that it exists that then you're not that bright.

Isn't that usually dealt with by challenging the jury with actual evidence of bias before the trial, counsellor?

I don't recall the Trump legal team actually doing that. Hmmm.........

 

[mandrill]

It's the exact opposite, If NY doesn't overturn it the Supreme court will for sure

It's a state offence trial, genius.

It doesn't get to the USSC. It goes as far as the New York State Court of Appeal.

Another brilliant theory you gotta let go, huh?

 

[mitchell76]

Probation is the range and the judge won't go outside the range. It would make Turnipman a martyr and would set up an easy appeal.

You don't understand anything about law, do you?

They're not changing the rules. It's just that Trump makes such an easy target to beat up on in court. It's so hard to resist.

Who really knows?? This loony and totally bias Judge Merchan, could sentence Trump to 10 years in jail, for all we know......LMAO

 

[mitchell76]

Isn't that usually dealt with by challenging the jury with actual evidence of bias before the trial, counsellor?

I don't recall the Trump legal team actually doing that. Hmmm.........

Trump's defence filed all these motions, before trial, and Merchan ignored all of them!! Trump's defence tried to get Merchan to recuse himself from the case, and he wouldn't recuse himself!!

 

[Valcazar]

Isn't that usually dealt with by challenging the jury with actual evidence of bias before the trial, counsellor?

I don't recall the Trump legal team actually doing that. Hmmm.........

I believe they did.
They filed for a change of venue and I am sure they challenged a number of jurors for cause and won at least a few of those.

 

[Valcazar]

It's a state offence trial, genius.

It doesn't get to the USSC. It goes as far as the New York State Court of Appeal.

Another brilliant theory you gotta let go, huh?

I think there is a way to try and get it to SCOTUS.
I would like to hear how he thinks it would get there.

 

[Frankfooter]

I think for a Class E felony like this, first time offenders normally don't get jail time

If they admit their guilt and show remorse.

 

[mandrill]

I think there is a way to try and get it to SCOTUS.
I would like to hear how he thinks it would get there.

If there is a constitutional infringement, it can go there. But there appear to be no constitutional issues involved at all.

 

[mandrill]

I believe they did.
They filed for a change of venue and I am sure they challenged a number of jurors for cause and won at least a few of those.

Which proves that the system worked for them.

It's hard to change venue from Manhattan. Change of venue usually occurs with stuff like a small town scam that affected every family and where no objective juror can be found. The most notorious change of venue case locally was the Demeter murder trial which was moved from Brampton to London because the Demeters were the local big shots of the time in Brampton and the community was polarized about the case.

Manhattan is so large and cosmopolitan that no single accused could impact the community in that way.

I am guessing that what Trump wanted to do is move it to some retirement community in the Adirondacks with a 90% GOP voting population.

 

[mandrill]

lol the fact is you’re watching the news thinking all the facts are being reported. They tell you what aligns with their narrative. Yes the gop rejected the border deal because it had minimal impact on the flow of immigrants into the country and had more to do with funding Ukraine. They accept that deal, it does nothing to actually fix the border.

Except it would. Maybe not as much as the GOP argued it wanted, but a whole lot.

So it's not Biden's fault. It's Trump's. Every Guatemalan that crosses the Rio Grande does so courtesy of Pumpkinface.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

News to me, bud. All the immigrants I know disrupted their lives and families to come here and search for something better and they care about Canada as much as anyone.

I agree 100%. My experience with immigrants is that they are harder working and more appreciative of Canada than most Canadians…especially the entitled white losers who were born here and blame immigrants for their own shitty choices in life.

 

[Valcazar]

If there is a constitutional infringement, it can go there. But there appear to be no constitutional issues involved at all.

It can also get there if it involves federal law.
I can see an argument where you say the underlying crime involves federal election law.
I don't think it is a strong argument, but SCOTUS is more than willing these days to find bullshit excuses to exercise their power.

 

[mandrill]

It can also get there if it involves federal law.
I can see an argument where you say the underlying crime involves federal election law.
I don't think it is a strong argument, but SCOTUS is more than willing these days to find bullshit excuses to exercise their power.

I don't think it does involve federal election law. The payments were obscured to give candidate Trump a better chance in an election which happened to be for a federal position. But that's not an interface with federal law. That's just Turnipface's motivation to falsify his records.

 

[mitchell76]

I believe they did.
They filed for a change of venue and I am sure they challenged a number of jurors for cause and won at least a few of those.

They also challenged Merchan's jury questionnaire as well!!

 

[Knuckle Ball]

It will go to the NY State supreme court first, and if they dont throw the verdict out there it will go all the way to SCOTUS.
And if/when it goes there that court is dominated by republicans who will most likely throw it out completely

I’ve wondered about this too…along with the fact that they are seriously considering Trump’s appeal regarding presidential immunity. SCOTUS could very well throw all of these cases out…but as I understand it that does not mean Trump is Not Guilty…it would mean the prosecutors would need to decide whether or not re-try the case?

And if it is re-tried, can that even be done with a sitting POTUS (if Trump were re-elected)?

So…as Trump says, I’m sure this is far from over and Trump’s fate will largely depend on whether he wins in November.