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Asking College Students if They Know Why They are Protesting

Frankfooter

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And you continue to spread hate speech of genocide, ethnic cleansing and no regard for civilian lives.

If those were truly Israeli goals there would be a million dead by now and the UN would have passed numbered resolutions declaring those things have happened. They passed resolutions in 1962 regarding S. African apartheid. Nothing at all like that in regards to Israel.
Nah, Netanyahu's goal is as much genocide as he can get away with.
This is the first time he went too far.


 

JohnLarue

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Its antisemitic to try to tie the entire Jewish people to a genocidal government and colonial settler movement.
Take some time to check out anti zionist Jewish groups and limit your discussion to the government of Israel.

please do not pretend there has not been mufti-cultural hatred and persecution of the Jews for a thousand + years

limit your discussion to the government of Israel.
i do not take orders from you,
grow up
 
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please do not pretend there has not been mufti-cultural hatred and persecution of the Jews for a thousand + years
There has been racial hatred for thousands of years, you know, slavery, indigenous peoples, colonization....
None of that is justification for stealing someone else's land and committing apartheid and genocide.
 
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And you continue to spread hate speech of genocide, ethnic cleansing and no regard for civilian lives.

If those were truly Israeli goals there would be a million dead by now and the UN would have passed numbered resolutions declaring those things have happened. They passed resolutions in 1962 regarding S. African apartheid. Nothing at all like that in regards to Israel.
Dude at some point you have to ask yourself whether having a dialogue with team hamas helps to educate anyone or change anyone’s opinions or whether it only helps them to stay relevant and push their lies.
 

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There has been racial hatred for thousands of years, you know, slavery, indigenous peoples, colonization....
None of that is justification for stealing someone else's land and committing apartheid and genocide.
by your definition you are standing on stolen ground right now
stolen from people who stole it from a previous group of people, who stole it from a previous group of people, ........


directed at two Jewish students on the other side of the planet
"Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not one more time, not five more times, not 10...100…1000…10,000...The 7th of October is going to be every day for you." Protestors screamed this at two Jewish @Columbia students right outside campus gates tonight.
Hamas started a war on Oct 7th, they can end the war by releasing the hostages and surrendering
 
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While I agree with your perspective and understand where you are coming from, using "Jewish" is going to elicit accusations of antisemitism. I think it is important to be more specific, in assigning accountability, and either refer to the Israeli government, or Zionists. There are lots of Jewish people who are anti-Zionist and actually oppose the Israeli government, both within and outside of Israel for what Bibi is doing right now, so I guess we should be more specific in language. Again I know what you mean, but the ones who want to misinterpret will find it convenient if you use "Jewish" to refer to Israel and its govt's actions. That is why they even try to create the narrative "Antizionism is antisemitism", without much success. Just saying.

a) Hamas are Palestinians. Palestinians are not Hamas. By protesting against Israel, you are supporting Palestinians, not Hamas. Dont conflate the two.
b) Israel is a multi-religious, multi-racial, multi-ethnic pluralistic nation. Protest against Israel is against its govt., not Jews. There are Israelis right now, who are protesting on the streets of Israel and calling for a ceasefire. Are those people against Jews as well?

You display an extraordinary lack of factual knowledge on anything you talk about.
Palestinians are Hamas. They elected them, support them. Just because they are now losing doesn't mean they get cry about it.

Same as the Nazis, the Japanese, and now even the Russians. You get the governments you elect. You support.
 

Frankfooter

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by your definition you are standing on stolen ground right now
stolen from people who stole it from a previous group of people, who stole it from a previous group of people, ........
Yes, and we are still working through Truth and Reconciliation but at least we aren't killing them off and still taking their land.



Hamas started a war on Oct 7th, they can end the war by releasing the hostages and surrendering
The occupation is 75 years old, Hamas only started in the 80's.
There have been 5 previous 'wars' against Hamas and Gaza in the last 10 years alone.
This didn't start Oct 7.

If you want peace, end the occupation.
 

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Palestinians are Hamas. They elected them, support them. Just because they are now losing doesn't mean they get cry about it.

Same as the Nazis, the Japanese, and now even the Russians. You get the governments you elect. You support.
This is obvious to all but the pro Hamas crowd...Gazans voted them in and in polls overwhelmingly support them.

Generations are taught to hate Israel and are prepared to martyr themselves in the name of Allah.

Egypt won't touch them because they realize just how radical they are. That pretty much says it all.
 

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This demonstrates the power of social media to inflame.
Proves it's not just the right who are susceptible.
 

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Palestinians are Hamas. They elected them, support them. Just because they are now losing doesn't mean they get cry about it.

Same as the Nazis, the Japanese, and now even the Russians. You get the governments you elect. You support.
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Frankfooter

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This is obvious to all but the pro Hamas crowd...Gazans voted them in and in polls overwhelmingly support them.

Generations are taught to hate Israel and are prepared to martyr themselves in the name of Allah.

Egypt won't touch them because they realize just how radical they are. That pretty much says it all.
If they hate Israel its not about 'Allah', its because they've lived under military occupation for 75 years.
Gaza was a concentration camp before Oct 7, with Palestinians living under 17 years of illegal blockade.

Palestinians no more want to leave their homeland than Egypt or any other surrounding country wants to take on more Palestinian refugees.
The UNRWA already tracks 5 million Palestinian refugees in Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. That's 5 million people they have to take care of while Israel refuses to honour UN resolutions demanding their Right of Return be honoured and they be allowed to return.

If you want to deescalate you have to understand they have rights and they have legitimate beefs with the occupation.
You have to stop saying they are all religious extremists and start treating them as humans.

I know you hate the xitter, but check out how many wars a 16 year old who grew up in Gaza has lived through.
 

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You think I'm the one that does that constantly?
That's funny,
Hell, yeah.

You are the originator and have perfected it. It is not at all funny when you use it to promote hate, racism and anti-Semitism. It makes you a disingenuous debater and that is why more and more people are calling you out on a seemingly daily basis.
 

shack

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While I agree with your perspective and understand where you are coming from, using "Jewish" is going to elicit accusations of antisemitism.
Thanks for admitting that anti-Zionism is simply code for anti-Semitism.

"Hey buddy, don't say Jewish because it exposes how we actually feel. We must remain cowardly."
 
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