#blockout2024
Not saying they will.???
The US would be foolish to distance itself from Israel. The US is itself a target of Iranian proxy forces, as with the Hooties. The challenge for Biden is not alienating Arab-American voters in swing states while backing Israel quietly.
Not saying they will.
But we're talking about how the protests will be remembered.
If they don't move policy, they won't be remembered at all, really.
What did they divest from?
In other words, the students didn't make them divest from anything.Policy on Socially Responsible Investments: California State University, Sacramento directs its auxiliaries, including the University Foundation at Sacramento State (UFSS), to investigate socially responsible investment strategies which include not having direct investments in corporations and funds that profit from genocide, ethnic cleansing, and activities that violate fundamental human rights. Currently, UFSS does not have any direct investments in these areas.
I suspect that's the case. The only occasion that US foreign policy was moved by domestic dissent - arguably - was Viet Nam. (And one could postulate that withdrawal was inevitable whether or not dissent occurred because the conflict was not winnable).Not saying they will.
But we're talking about how the protests will be remembered.
If they don't move policy, they won't be remembered at all, really.
Direct investments, they agreed to check their portfolios and divest there as well.What did they divest from?
According to their new, amended policy.
In other words, the students didn't make them divest from anything.
They never had the investments in the first place.
Don't overhype the victories.
The civil rights protests as well.I suspect that's the case. The only occasion that US foreign policy was moved by domestic dissent - arguably - was Viet Nam. (And one could postulate that withdrawal was inevitable whether or not dissent occurred because the conflict was not winnable).
It does.VN involved a very direct impact on US domestic life - the Draft - and also mirrored generational cultural, dress and lifestyle choices that had little to do with the war but marked the overall context of the protest movement.
The fact that I can access porn and contraceptives, listen to rock not jazz, don't think pre marital sex is sinful, don't think gays should be jailed, believe Blacks should have equal rights and am not donning a suit and tie and fedora to go for a walk in the park in 10 minutes' time all stems from the 60's.
I know, they all rip off their own people, they can't help it . Arafats wife is said to have a billion in swiss accounts.They can’t be near the water and not drink
There were no direct investments.Direct investments, they agreed to check their portfolios and divest there as well.
Nevertheless, the University further directs the Finance Committee of UFSS and other auxiliaries to ensure that the University’s investment portfolios remain free of such direct investments. UFSS and other campus auxiliaries are also directed to investigate a socially responsible stance for indirect investments (e.g., index funds, mutual funds). With this stance, the UFSS and other auxiliaries are directed to benchmark these investments with a goal toward limiting them to no more than de minimis in nature. This shall encompass a process of annual review and ongoing monitoring of holdings. We will pursue human rights-based approach to investments.
The rank and file and mid management UNWRA staff are local Gazans and have grown up under the Hamas regime and way of doing things. Lots of violence, rival crime families, no policies to actually assist the ordinary Gazans.They can’t be near the water and not drink
I think the protests you mention including the Vietnam War are/were close to home. The causes noted impacted Americans directly. I don't see the protests creating more real empathy for the Palestinians and by virtue the Hamas leadership.The civil rights protests as well.
And the Suffragette protests.
The BLM protests didn't yet, but may eventually.
The thing is, in none of these were the protests the be all and end all of the issue.
Which is the same here.
It does.
And those were protests that began years before - many in the 50s and earlier still.
We remember the tipping point but not the much longer road.
You don't think its even a tiny bit extreme to call protesting students 'freaking terrorists'?
The Vietnam war protests were much bigger, IMO.I think the protests you mention including the Vietnam War are/were close to home. The causes noted impacted Americans directly. I don't see the protests creating more real empathy for the Palestinians and by virtue the Hamas leadership.
Calls for a cease fire started immediately because most people just want there NOT TO BE PEOPLE KILLING EACH OTHER.Other than my most progressive friends, most of them who want to see a cease fire just are tired of 75 years of fighting and fruitless peace discussions. This seems a way to put things on the back burner and avoid more carnage and destruction for the time being. I'm not even sure the protesters have any workable solutions in mind for Palestine beyond a cease fire.
The whole point of giving that assistance was to build something because otherwise they would build resentment.As a separate note, I am not a historian but we know the Germans and Japanese were decimated. They came back with much assistance from the West to build great economies and successful democracies. Does anyone really see the Palestinians grabbing that olive branch and also Western and Mideastern assistance to build a thriving country? It would appear the Palestinians are more excited to get a box of missiles from Iran.
That might be true, but I don't think Palestine weighs on most Americans minds. Barring some major regional blow-up, I don't think it ever will.The Vietnam war protests were much bigger, IMO.
They also went on at scale for years.
They were also very unpopular (That's been edited in the collective memory) which is my point from earlier in the thread.
Protests that we now think of as "done right" were very unpopular while they were going on.
Polls almost all showed that people thought the Civil Rights protests were making things worse for the Black population, for instance.