Maybe Israel should let some human rights organizations in to count the dead and take care of the injured and sick.
Oh, but that would get in the way of starving them all to death, wouldn't it?
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Oh, but that would get in the way of starving them all to death, wouldn't it?
Stated it repeatedly.
The US should be using more of its leverage than it has been willing to do to rein in Israel from what it is doing, which almost certainly consists of war crimes and may well meet the legal threshold for genocide. (Although that's a very high bar to reach.)
Yes.
Of course there are Biden voters who think he isn't doing a good job.
But you can't extrapolate your numbers on the specific issue of Israel/Palestine and say it is why his overall job disapproval numbers are so high.
I think Biden isn't doing things right at the border as well. I still overall approve of his job so far.
Most people aren't one-issue voters.
And most voters, including democrats, don't think this is the main thing they will vote on, even if they believe those things.
I think China should stop oppressing its people. Biden isn't doing anything to stop them. Not an issue I will be voting on.
I've said that repeatedly.
The election will be decided on the margins and the distribution of votes is more important than anything else.
Small numbers in the right place can have a large effect.
But my point stands - there's not a lot of evidence his overall job approval numbers or people's specific choice between Trump and Biden changes a lot from this.
It just isn't the main issue people are voting on.
That doesn't mean it can't swing the election - of course it can.
But that isn't what you claimed.
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Thank you for that statement.
I'm still going with the multiple reports, including by the UN, saying it is genocide.
You think Biden's job approval numbers are high?
Its enough of an issue that it shows up in poling statements.
President Joe Biden is trailing former President Donald Trump in seven key swing states, according to a new poll, as concerns over the economy, the Israel-Hamas conflict and other issues shroud Biden’s campaign.
The Emerson College/The Hill poll, conducted between April 25 and April 29, shows Trump leading Biden by four points in Arizona, three points in Georgia, one point in Michigan and Nevada, five points in North Carolina and two points in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Biden trails Trump in seven key swing states a few months out from Election Day, new poll shows
President Joe Biden is trailing former President Donald Trump in seven key swing states, according to a new poll.
www.usatoday.com
It might not be, but for someone on the edge worried about the economy or something else, it could be enough to tip them over.
Certainly in the youth vote.
What's ridiculous is Biden's choice to risk his reelection to support a war criminal who would rather have rump in power.
Most see Biden’s presidency as a ‘failure’
Biden is under water in every issue asked about in the CNN poll, according to Jennifer Agiesta, CNN’s polling director. Agiesta writes:
And his worst issue approval rating – for his handling of the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza – yields 28% approval to 71% disapproval, including an 81% disapproval mark among those younger than 35 and majority disapproval among Democrats (53%).
Asked whether they view Biden’s presidency as a success or a failure, 68% of younger Americans said it’s a failure, more than other age groups – and despite his high-profile efforts to address other issues of importance to young voters, including student debt relief.
Where did I say that?
It's in the news, of course it shows up in the news summary.Its enough of an issue that it shows up in poling statements.
President Joe Biden is trailing former President Donald Trump in seven key swing states, according to a new poll, as concerns over the economy, the Israel-Hamas conflict and other issues shroud Biden’s campaign.
The Emerson College/The Hill poll, conducted between April 25 and April 29, shows Trump leading Biden by four points in Arizona, three points in Georgia, one point in Michigan and Nevada, five points in North Carolina and two points in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Biden trails Trump in seven key swing states a few months out from Election Day, new poll shows
President Joe Biden is trailing former President Donald Trump in seven key swing states, according to a new poll.
It isn't even a question in the poll.
Will it turn into an issue more people vote on?
Maybe.
I showed you were it ranked a week ago.
Of course it could, no one has said otherwise.
You're the one who said it was the reason for his numbers.
I pointed out it isn't.
I never said it didn't matter.
Yes, obviously that is exactly what his thinking is here.
Here.
Your poll showed massive shift in the youth vote.
Its a large part of why his numbers are bad. Certainly this is another factor.
Who is surrounding him to let this continue?Yes, obviously that is exactly what his thinking is here.
What do you really think he's thinking here?
Way too much action at Columbia, I do hope it doesn't get out of control.
Fair enough!
Totally a type.
Will fix.
You're going to have to show me where you found that in the poll, since I didn't notice it having youth vote over time.
Exactly.
This is all considered massively important by people and is driving low numbers.
He's probably thinking he has an immensely complex foreign policy issue with multiple groups who have multiple demands and expectations, hemmed in by various diplomatic and legal realities.
Since I don't think the students brought weapons, I would like to think this can be kept from getting completely out of control.
But it is the NYPD, and while they aren't the Chicago police, they aren't exactly known for restraint.
It doesn't, but were you unaware that he had about 60% approval with youth before oct 7?
In the early days of Biden’s presidency (from January 2021 to June 2021), an average of 6 in 10 adult members of Generation Z – those born between 1997 and 2004 – approved of the job Biden was doing. During the period spanning September 2021 to March 2022, that number had plummeted to an average of just 39%.
Very complex.
Should I listen to AIPAC and back genocide or should I listen to voters and deescalate the situation?
We'll see.
Yes.
Your own article says the drop started well before October 7th, beginning back in 2021.
There is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong.
At this point, should I assume you are rooting for violence?
It will make the issue stay in the news longer.
Yes and the numbers in your poll were even lower for youth.
Occam's Razor?
Score 1- 1
Whatever complex reasons you think are going on, this will be remembered for the simple ones.
Why would you assume I would root for any violence?
Which isn't what you claimed.
That's not what Occam's razor means.
Good try, though.
And you are right - simple answers are what get remembered.
People love a simple narrative that doesn't require them to think too hard.
I agree completely that in the end, there will be very simplistic narratives about all this.
You seem to think that the protests and violence are accomplishing what you want.
If things get resolved like in Brown, you lose energy.
Look at your reaction to ceasefire proposals.
You aren't quite where some others are on this, but that's been the impression I'm getting off you right now.
Saying 'its complicated' has long been a way refuse to make a statement on this issue.
The solutions may be complicated but the situation is pretty simple.
Israel is occupying Palestine illegally and still settling and colonizing that land.
The protests are accomplishing two things, more media presence and starting the implementation of BDS at universities like Browns.
I don't support the violence at all, which at present is all from the cops or zionist protesters.
I back ceasefire, as I've repeatedly stated.
Right now talks are close but the sticking point is that Hamas wants the violence to stop and Israel says they will attack Rafah regardless.
“Israel will under no circumstances agree to ending the war as part of a deal to free our hostages.”
A senior Hamas official tells Al Jazeera, “The occupation is obstructing an agreement by insisting on continuing the war. The Zionist entity is seeking a deal to recover its captives without linking this to ending the aggression.”
The Hamas official, speaking on condition of anonymity, reiterated the group will “under no circumstances agree to an agreement that does not explicitly include stopping the war on Gaza”.
That's not the complicated part.
Glad to hear it.
I'm surprised you haven't denounced the Brown solution.
They gave the students nothing but a promise that they will have a discussion/vote on the issue later in the year.
No promise of divestment at all.
It is less than the offer Columbia made that the students there refused.
Given you've often said that offers that don't actually require action are useless, I would have thought you would have been against the Brown solution.
As I said.
You have repeatedly said that a ceasefire that doesn't accomplish real concessions isn't worth taking.
I don't even disagree with you here - ceasefires are tools of negotiation.
They are always contingent on what the people involved in the shooting think the tradeoffs are.
That's why it was always so frustrating to have people just yell "There must be a ceasefire" as if that meant anything without a discussion over what conditions were involved and what the people on the ground thought of them.
What does "stopping the war on Gaza" mean in this formulation, though?
That's the question, isn't it?
Please explain.
Its all part of the BDS movement that will change Israel if nothing else does beforehand.
Even if the admin is lying, that puts them on their heels.
If this was a war calling for a ceasefire is more obvious. But this is a 3 prong genocide. Calling for a ceasefire will hopefully stop the bombing and shooting but it will take international pressure to end the now declared famine and to start rebuilding the health care system. Without a functioning health care system there are warnings that 500,000 could die by the end of the summer.
It is a good question.
Change has to happen, the famine has to be ended, the health care rebuilt, people held to war crimes, systematic changes...
But stopping the bombing and killing is the first and biggest step.
Montreal is unceded territory and therefore an illegal occupation.
That's simple and factual.
What gets done about it is complicated.
Should the Columbia students have left then, since the Administration offered them a better deal than the one at Brown?
So since it is a three prong thing, nothing should be done until all prongs are settled?
But you just said they shouldn't accept the ceasefire and stop -even temporarily - the bombing and the killing.
You're right. Hamas' whole basis of power is their calls to eliminate the Jewish presence and choosing violence over any kind of compromise.
And yes, the UNSC demanded Hamas immediately and unconditionally release those hostages. So did the ICJ and ICC who added that it is wrong to use those hostages as bargaining chips.
You clearly don't want a ceasefire and you don't want the suffering people in Gaza to get help. Like Hamas, your only desire is the destruction of Israel.
In reality, Jewish immigrants that were met with violence incited by power-hungry wealthy Arabs who just like today, put their corrupt power-hungry desires ahead of the people they allegedly represent.
p.s. the Palestinian state was wiped off the map when Palestinians and Arab leaders rejected Partition and Jordan annexed it.
Truth and Reconciliation.
Different situations, Canada is weakly trying to reconcile colonization while Israel is still actively colonizing Palestine.
That's up to them, do you think chances of divestment go up or down the longer the sit ins last?
Stupid question, valcazar.
You can't even start to deal with the other two until the shooting and bombing stops.
When did I just say that?
No, that's not their position.
All genocides in recent history have been based on the side committing genocide screaming that its the other side that really, really wants to do it so they better do it first.
That's all you're doing here, justifying doing genocide first because of hate.
Fixed for accurate representation of my views.
Yes.
Different situation.
Complicated.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
I think divestment is much more complicated in the modern financial system than most people think.
As for Columbia itself, it is well known that if you constantly reject offers, it doesn't always mean you get better offers.
Which is why you are supporting the proposed 40-day ceasefire?
After all, "You can't even start to deal with the other two until the shooting and bombing stops."
When you said Hamas shouldn't accept the 40-day stop in the bombing.
