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canada-man

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That is what they are. They are Zionists. There are many Jews who are anti-Zionist as well, so that line of reasoning that anti-Zionism is antisemitism falls flat right there.

They did not prevent JEWISH students from going to classes. Infact, they did not prevent anybody from going to classes. They were asking him (and possibly others) to take another route possibly because they have encamped that location to protest. You posted a 20 second video of a Zionist crybaby playing "This is what they do guys" for the cameras. All I saw were that the pro-Palestinian students were just calm and decent.

The one who was being loud and intimidating with a camera in their faces was that professional crybaby. Infact it is always the pro-Zionist supporters who are intimidating. Did you read about the recent case of arrest where a guy with a nail gun started threatening pro-Palestinian protestors and shouted "Every fucking Palestinian will die!"? Now THAT is intimidation.


That Jewish kid was actually the one intimidating and getting physical with the protestors, while making sure the cameras were on.
Blaming the victim is not an argument

Anti-Zionism theology did not exist between 1949 and 1967 when the Gaza strip was part of Egypt and the West Bank part of Jordan. Nobody was advocating for a Palestinian state For 19 years. Anti Zionism along with the Palestinian movement was created by the Soviet Union to wage war against Israel. The fact that you blindly supporting a terrorist and anti-semitic movements invented after 1967 shows your ignorance and blindness which makes you no different from the other pro pallys most of which support terrorists abd hate crimes against Jews many of which have no ties to the state of Israel
 

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Blaming the victim is not an argument

Anti-Zionism theology did not exist between 1949 and 1967 when the Gaza strip was part of Egypt and the West Bank part of Jordan. Nobody was advocating for a Palestinian state For 19 years. Anti Zionism along with the Palestinian movement was created by the Soviet Union to wage war against Israel. The fact that you blindly supporting a terrorist and anti-semitic movements invented after 1967 shows your ignorance and blindness which makes you no different from the other pro pallys most of which support terrorists abd hate crimes against Jews many of which have no ties to the state of Israel
Previous to 1949 there was a Palestinian state.
After Partition there was still a Palestinian state based on partition until Israel took it all in 1967.

Palestinians were never in favour of a foreign colonial movement coming to take their country away.
Why would they be?

Its like you're arguing that South Africans loved having Afrikaners come and take over their country and rule through apartheid.
 

canada-man

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Yes blaming the pro Palestinian protestors who are the victims here is not an argument.

And anti-zionism is the default JEWISH position and has always been. There was no Zionism prior to 1896. This was Theordre Herzls invention when he pulled it right out of his ass.
Wrong again anti-zionism arose in the 19th century to oppose the creation of a Jewish state. And why are you ignoring the period between 1949 and 1967? Zionism was supported by leftists before 1967.
 

shack

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Zionism originated with the publication of Der Judenstaat by Theodore Herzl who is the father of Zionism. There was nothing called Zionism prior to that. Infact the Balfour Declaration was itself issued to entice the Jewish leadership of the Bolsheviks to continue their support for the Allied forces during WW 1. However they rejected the idea of Zionism because they considered it a capitalist endeavour which made the Balfour Declaration a foreign policy blunder.

Jews prior to the advent of Zionism in 1896 did not even think of a Jewish state. Infact many Jews rejected the idea as it was against their religious sentiments. Their default position was anti-zionism. Anti-zionism is therefore a JEWISH invention. Therefore it cannot be and is not antisemitic.
So prior to 1896 they had to use different lies to defend their hatred of Jews. Regardless of the supposed reasons, why do you think that Jews have been hated and persecuted for 5,000 years?
 

Frankfooter

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So prior to 1896 they had to use different lies to defend their hatred of Jews. Regardless of the supposed reasons, why do you think that Jews have been hated and persecuted for 5,000 years?
Hammy, has it ever occurred to you that the hatred you feel is possibly not racism based but just based on your own personality?

Meanwhile, the dem party has a few issues of their own now.
 

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Hammy, has it ever occurred to you that the hatred you feel is possibly not racism based but just based on your own personality?
I'm interested in knowing why Jews have been hated and persecuted for over 5,000 years before there ever was Zionism?

The hate is constant but the reasons keep changing. Is there one common theme?
 

Frankfooter

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I'm interested in knowing why Jews have been hated and persecuted for over 5,000 years before there ever was Zionism?

The hate is constant but the reasons keep changing. Is there one common theme?
I don't know, hammy.
Why have you hated them for so long?
 

Valcazar

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the video shows that the hamas supporters are blocking him preventing him from going to classes why do you keep making excuses for anti-Jewish intimidation?
Because the video doesn't actually show that.
They show him being blocked from going that way.

There isn't any evidence they are blocking him from going to class and doesn't appear to be any evidence they are blocking him specifically for being Jewish.

And since you've hyped this so much, I looked it up.
This kid's name is apparently Eli Tsieves.

There he is, in his own post, saying all he had to do was walk around and use another entrance.
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So... no.
Can't really call this terrorism.
Sorry.
 

Valcazar

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Pratt Institute red-hands painting on tree used to ‘terrorize’ Jewish students, critics say



Red hands painted on a tree at Pratt Institute’s Brooklyn campus are being used to “terrorize” Jewish students in a bloody reminder of a lynching of two Israelis, critics claim.

“What better way to terrorize your Jewish students and faculty into submission than maintaining a display in the middle of your campus representing Jews getting lynched?” said Rory Lancman, senior counsel to the Brandeis Center for Human Rights Under Law, who forwarded The Post a snap of the tree with the symbol removed.

Israeli Jews said the red hands were painful reminder of of the Ramallah Lynching of 2000, during the Secnd Intifada, when Israeli military reservists Yossi Avrahami and Vadim Nurzhitz were lynched by a massive Palestinian mob in Ramallah, West Bank, after they made a wrong turn in the Palestinian-run-region.

One particular gruesome image from the murder became infamous when one of the killers, Aziz Salha, waved his bloodied hands from the lynching and dismemberment of the two Jews to the crowd.

Historians said the infamous use of the red hands to kill Jews goes back much further.


During the Jewish holiday of Shavuot in 1941, a pogrom was carried out against the Jewish community of Baghdad, Iraq. This pogrom is known as Farhud or “forced dispossession.”

Red hands were painted on Jewish houses for identification for the pogrom, where homes were later burned and Jews slaughtered.


Anti-Israel protesters have been seen at rallies painting red hands on buildings or painting their hands red.

Lancman criticized Pratt professor Uzma Rizvi, who noted the “Red Hands” tree on the campus in an Instagram post.

“Back to campus and I’m reminded of our students’ protest,” Rizvi said in the post.


“NYT says they’re pulling some of the tanks out of the North. Why were tanks set up against civilians in the first place? #Cease Fire Now,” she said, while posting an image of the Palestinian flag.

Pratt, in a statement to The Post, said the paint was removed from the tree on campus.

“Any defacement to our campus property is addressed as quickly as possible, and we have removed the paint on the tree,” a Pratt spokesperson said.

Pratt Institute red-hands painting on tree used to ‘terrorize’ Jewish students, critics say (nypost.com)
Now this is terrorism.
 

mandrill

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Yes, University of Florida has begun having the police make arrests. If you are exercising free speech, that’s great. You deserve that right. If you are harming other people by exercising your free speech then you have no right.

‘Harming other people’ includes:
- Making threats towards entire groups of people.
- Making people who paid for an education feel in danger.
- Preventing people from obtaining a service that they paid for (education).
- Trespassing on property that you are not welcomed on, especially if you are an outsider to the University.

- Refusing to obey the guidelines and rules of the University that you agreed to when enrolling, meaning that others can’t get the service they were promised.
 
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mandrill

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Because the video doesn't actually show that.
They show him being blocked from going that way.

There isn't any evidence they are blocking him from going to class and doesn't appear to be any evidence they are blocking him specifically for being Jewish.

And since you've hyped this so much, I looked it up.
This kid's name is apparently Eli Tsieves.

There he is, in his own post, saying all he had to do was walk around and use another entrance.
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So... no.
Can't really call this terrorism.
Sorry.
It's not terrorism. But it hardly makes the campus the sedate comfortable place that it should be for kids whose folks pay $90k for learning in.

By your analysis, there's was no racism in 1950's Alabama because the Black folks could go round the back of the joint to get their burgers and eat them in the parking lot, as long as they kept away from the white people's cars.

They still got their burgers, right? Even if they were treated like human garbage?
 
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