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So what's the consensus here, do you all like the TPS now more or less after this case and verdict?

Do you trust them more, less or the same? šŸ˜…
The same. That is, not so much.

I believe that almost all cops are well intentioned and got on the job to do good work. But the few that are fuckwad assholes and corrupt cops that make headlines are protected by the FAT blue line. And therefore, the good guys in blue protecting the bad guys in blue discredits the entire organization.
 
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The same. That is, not so much.

I believe that almost all cops are well intentioned and got on the job to do good work. But the few that are fuckwad assholes and corrupt cops that make headlines are protected by the FAT blue line. And therefore, the good guys in blue protecting the bad guys in blue discredits the entire organization.
I remember talking to this dude who started off copping and jumped teams and got his law degree. He said there was a LOT of internal politics and being made to "toe the line".

If you didn't pay ball, you got to do beach patrol on Toronto Island all night in January. If you fitted in, you got fast tracked for sergeant.
 

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I really doubt that.

No single cop will dare risk trying to make life difficult for him in any way. There would be unbelievable scrutiny of whatever and whomever bothered him.

However, that doesn't mean he will not live in fear of it and in fear of his infamy.
I'm a lot of coppers believe that he should have been charged. They just can't say it to the public.
I think he'll be ok
 

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I have enjoyed reading and following this news story, and the two threads - this one and the older one "TPS officer killed..."

A question I have is - had Zameer not been able to hire and pay for Hasan, the high powered reputable defense lawyer - would the verdict have been as favourable for him? What if he used Legal Aid, or Diamond&Diamond

Is the quality of your defense team going to make a huge impact? Most people would hire the best lawyer they can afford of course, but what if?

I feel badly for this guy and his family and what he's been thru. I contributed to his GoFund me page, hope he raises the $200K he needs for the lawyers. Just can't imagine if that happened to me if I was in the same situation... guaranteed I would have put the pedal to the metal and got my family to safety
You make a very good point. The truth is there is simply no way a legal aid funded defense would have gotten him a walk. That lawyer worked round the clock for 3 years on this case. Legal aid has a cap and I'm sure it was very low.
 
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You make a very good point. The truth is there is simply no way a legal aid funded defense would have gotten him a walk. That lawyer worked round the clock for 3 years on this case. Legal aid has a cap and I'm sure it was very low.
not for a murder charge.
 
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I'm a lot of coppers believe that he should have been charged. They just can't say it to the public.
I think he'll be ok
Did you mean to say that a lot of coppers thought Zameer should NOT have been charged?
 

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Not for any charge. Legal Aid does not cover criminal trails at all from my understanding. Which is why poor people have to plead out and hope for the best.
Don't be silly.
 

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Buddy, I'm not "invested" in anything. I didn't learn about the Crown's own accident report until it was mentioned AFTER the defence accident report was put into evidence towards the end of the trial.

Unlike you, I haven't been following the trial 24/7
Then why comment on this topic if you cant be bothered to do a bit of research??
 
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Not for any charge. Legal Aid does not cover criminal trails at all from my understanding. Which is why poor people have to plead out and hope for the best.
No, legal aid won't help you unless you are facing jail time. For first degree murder, you are definitely going to be accepted. I know that they have a maximum amount of billable hours that they will be reimbursed for but @mandrill seemed to be indicating that the limit is waived for a murder charge.
 

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No, legal aid won't help you unless you are facing jail time. For first degree murder, you are definitely going to be accepted. I know that they have a maximum amount of billable hours that they will be reimbursed for but @mandrill seemed to be indicating that the limit is waived for a murder charge.
So murder but not a DUI?

And that is what I thought. The max hours would be billed before a trail could officially start??? No???
 

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So murder but not a DUI?

And that is what I thought. The max hours would be billed before a trail could officially start??? No???
If the legal aid office deemed it unlikely that the crown would seek incarceration for the DUI, then no, they would deny coverage. At least that is my understanding of it. As a general disclaimer though, I do not work for legal aid.

I'm assuming you know someone who got a DUI and was denied legal aid though?
 

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Many years ago, a news reporter was interviewing the Chief of Police at that time, regarding corruption in the force in a live session on TV, and ways to stop it.

The following is my recollection of his response, " This will always exist as long as we can only recruit from the human race". That was the only time I admired a comment from a Police Chief.
 

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I really doubt that.

No single cop will dare risk trying to make life difficult for him in any way. There would be unbelievable scrutiny of whatever and whomever bothered him.

However, that doesn't mean he will not live in fear of it and in fear of his infamy.
No cop would dare? lol this is a common occurrence throughout the world (mostly North America) whenever someone wins a popular court battle against the local police. The police will not forget. No cop would risk trying anything? Whatā€™s going to happen? They get paid vacation. To them he is a cop killer. He probably will be pulled over more often than he has been before. They will keep an eye on him. heā€™s probably going to move to another province.
 
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As pointed out in a previous post, the chief of police has changed his tune. Although he said ā€œ closure cannot come at the expense of justiceā€, that wonā€™t be the attitude of most cops.

This was a vengeful and spiteful persecution. Those feelings donā€™t just end because one politician says so.
To Add to that both Ford and John Tory publicly expressed their dislike on the verdict. As I just mentioned. Itā€™s unfortunate but itā€™s best he leaves the province
 

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The legal aid lawyers are often the ones who graduated at the bottom of their class. In some cases, the advice the accused will receive is 'I recommend that you plead guilty because I don't have the skills necessary to properly defend you', (but not in so many words).

What's worse is that sometimes an accused will follow advice to plead 'Not Criminally Responsible' to avoid a jail sentence. Instead they'll be sentenced indefinitely to the forensic unit in a mental health hospital.

One of my former students took that bad advice, in a case involving a minor assault. If he had done the jail time, he likely would have received less than eighteen months, and may have been able to serve the time on weekends. Instead of that, he spent more than ten years in Penetanguishene and CAMH, and although he is now living in a rooming house in Parkdale, he's probably still several years away from being fully discharged.

The CAMH foresnsic unit at Queen/ Ossington is a really horrible place. Many of the staff nurses are 'man haters' who feel that it's their responsibility to punish the patients who have dodged the penal system. Patients are NEVER served any meat - many of them spend most of their ODSP money on restaurant food during the first few days of each month, and I think they only get about $150 - $200 of their cheque as spending money, because food and shelter are included in their accommodations, (the same applies to people living in government-sponsored rooming houses, where meals are provided).

There is one forensic psychiatrist, (whom I won't name), to whom I gave the unflattering nickname "Josephine Mengele". She pretty much wants most of her patients to be required to take Leuprorelin, which is a 'chemical castration' drug. I found the majority of the staff there to be dishonest, but they all cover each other's butts, even worse than the police do.

Don't ever make the mistake of thinking that CAMH is a benevolent institution with a sincere desire to assist persons afflicted with mental health disorders. The place is motivated by profit, and designed to keep patients within its walls for as long as possible.

One of the things which history has taught us is that whenever a group is given authority without accountability for the actions of its members, invariably that group will abuse that authority, because they can.
 
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