That was my initial take before I learned what was in the accident report.
I thought the issue was whether Northrup and his female partner had ID-ed themselves and was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on that.
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I thought the issue was whether Northrup and his female partner had ID-ed themselves and was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on that.
I would have been far happier if it was a retired, respected judge.
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The presumption of innocence is one of the pillars of our criminal justice system, he said. "And for politicians to spout off and sentence a man and condemn a man who is presumed innocent without knowing any true details of the case — it is reckless, it is irresponsible.
Canadians deserve and expect more from their elected officials.
Michael Kempa, associate professor of criminology at the University of Ottawa, offered a similar sentiment, saying it would be a charitable interpretation to see this as a situation where elected officials spoke out of turn before they had all the facts.
A more cynical interpretation would be that it is a willful manipulation ... a misrepresentation of how bail works for the public audience — in other words, politicizing this issue, Kempa said, also speaking on Metro Morning
Nader Hasan also questioned TPS chief's comments about 'hoping for a different outcome' from trial
After weeks of evidence in court and several tense days of jury deliberations, Umar Zameer is a free man (new window) — and his lawyer isn't mincing words about the politicians who rushed to demonize his client after he initially got bail back in 2021.
Speaking on CBC Radio's Metro Morning on Monday, Hasan lamented the response from politicians like Ontario's premier and Toronto's former mayor who rushed to judgment before any evidence was presented at trial, as well as comments from the police chief on Sunday stating he wished for a different outcome.
Hasan said that back in 2021 when Zameer was initially charged, his office was receiving hate mail, even death threats, for "having the audacity to take on this case.
That hatred had been stoked by elected officials and by the chief of police himself, Hasan said.
James Ramer, who was chief of Toronto police at the time of Zameer's arrest, initially called Northrup's death (new window) an intentional and deliberate act — something the jury rejected over the weekend.
In a responding statement from 2021 posted on X, formerly Twitter, Premier Doug Ford called the court's decision to grant Zameer bail "beyond comprehension.
It's completely unacceptable that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail, Ford said — though his initial statement went even further (new window) and called Zameer "the person responsible" for Northrup's death, before walking that back by deleting and reposting with the words "responsible for" swapped for "charged with."
Comments out of line, lawyer says
Former Toronto mayor John Tory, meanwhile, said it was almost impossible to imagine a circumstance in which an accused in a case of first-degree murder would be granted bail.
Brampton Mayor Patrick Brown also tweeted at the time, saying in part: This is disgusting. It is very disturbing that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail.
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Hasan said Monday that those comments were ignorant, and came from people who should know better.
Kempa said he understands the chief's reaction as an emotional one in the face of a tragic event for everyone involved — but he also said questioning or expressing disappointment in a jury's verdict is troublesome, and can harm public perception of police impartiality.
I don't feel that it is the role of a chief of police or an elected person to basically say that a jury is wrong or that court erred in its legal interpretation of the situation, he said.
Hasan agreed, saying there was a lengthy trial in this case, and jurors heard the evidence and deliberated carefully.
They determined that Mr. Zameer was not guilty because he's not guilty, he said. It is somewhat frustrating and embarrassing that we have a chief of police who cannot accept this reality.
Civic leaders stoked hatred of Umar Zameer after Toronto police officer’s death: lawyer | RCI
Nader Hasan also questioned TPS chief's comments about 'hoping for a different outcome' from trial
The presumption of innocence is one of the pillars of our criminal justice system, he said. "And for politicians to spout off and sentence a man and condemn a man who is presumed innocent without knowing any true details of the case — it is reckless, it is irresponsible.
Canadians deserve and expect more from their elected officials.
Michael Kempa, associate professor of criminology at the University of Ottawa, offered a similar sentiment, saying it would be a charitable interpretation to see this as a situation where elected officials spoke out of turn before they had all the facts.
A more cynical interpretation would be that it is a willful manipulation ... a misrepresentation of how bail works for the public audience — in other words, politicizing this issue, Kempa said, also speaking on Metro Morning
Nader Hasan also questioned TPS chief's comments about 'hoping for a different outcome' from trial
After weeks of evidence in court and several tense days of jury deliberations, Umar Zameer is a free man (new window) — and his lawyer isn't mincing words about the politicians who rushed to demonize his client after he initially got bail back in 2021.
Speaking on CBC Radio's Metro Morning on Monday, Hasan lamented the response from politicians like Ontario's premier and Toronto's former mayor who rushed to judgment before any evidence was presented at trial, as well as comments from the police chief on Sunday stating he wished for a different outcome.
Hasan said that back in 2021 when Zameer was initially charged, his office was receiving hate mail, even death threats, for "having the audacity to take on this case.
That hatred had been stoked by elected officials and by the chief of police himself, Hasan said.
James Ramer, who was chief of Toronto police at the time of Zameer's arrest, initially called Northrup's death (new window) an intentional and deliberate act — something the jury rejected over the weekend.
In a responding statement from 2021 posted on X, formerly Twitter, Premier Doug Ford called the court's decision to grant Zameer bail "beyond comprehension.
It's completely unacceptable that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail, Ford said — though his initial statement went even further (new window) and called Zameer "the person responsible" for Northrup's death, before walking that back by deleting and reposting with the words "responsible for" swapped for "charged with."
Comments out of line, lawyer says
Former Toronto mayor John Tory, meanwhile, said it was almost impossible to imagine a circumstance in which an accused in a case of first-degree murder would be granted bail.
Brampton Mayor Patrick Brown also tweeted at the time, saying in part: This is disgusting. It is very disturbing that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail.
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Hasan said Monday that those comments were ignorant, and came from people who should know better.
Kempa said he understands the chief's reaction as an emotional one in the face of a tragic event for everyone involved — but he also said questioning or expressing disappointment in a jury's verdict is troublesome, and can harm public perception of police impartiality.
I don't feel that it is the role of a chief of police or an elected person to basically say that a jury is wrong or that court erred in its legal interpretation of the situation, he said.
Hasan agreed, saying there was a lengthy trial in this case, and jurors heard the evidence and deliberated carefully.
They determined that Mr. Zameer was not guilty because he's not guilty, he said. It is somewhat frustrating and embarrassing that we have a chief of police who cannot accept this reality.
It’s deeply maddening and saddening that the police and crown do not/cannot acknowledge the actual facts and maintain their positions on this, despite being proven by their own experts as liars/colluders. Their comments after the verdict was reached demonstrated that revenge was the main objective, not truth or justice.
The politicians expressing their outrage after the incident , without respecting due process, contributed to this whole mess. The rush to comment outweighs everything else these days. #first!
I’m sure the whole charade had nothing to do with Zameer’s skin colour.
A recent immigrant more trustworthy and truthful than our legal system. Terrible joke on Zameer, but the joke is also on the people of Ontario. We bankrolled that shitshow and should be demonstrating our collective outrage. Heads should roll.
The politicians expressing their outrage after the incident , without respecting due process, contributed to this whole mess. The rush to comment outweighs everything else these days. #first!
I’m sure the whole charade had nothing to do with Zameer’s skin colour.
A recent immigrant more trustworthy and truthful than our legal system. Terrible joke on Zameer, but the joke is also on the people of Ontario. We bankrolled that shitshow and should be demonstrating our collective outrage. Heads should roll.
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I try to not let my attitude towards any group to be generalized by it's worst performers.So what's the consensus here, do you all like the TPS now more or less after this case and verdict?
Do you trust them more, less or the same?
Civic leaders stoked hatred of Umar Zameer after Toronto police officer’s death: lawyer
Civic leaders stoked hatred of Umar Zameer after Toronto police officer’s death: lawyer | RCI
Nader Hasan also questioned TPS chief's comments about 'hoping for a different outcome' from trial
The presumption of innocence is one of the pillars of our criminal justice system, he said. "And for politicians to spout off and sentence a man and condemn a man who is presumed innocent without knowing any true details of the case — it is reckless, it is irresponsible.
Canadians deserve and expect more from their elected officials.
Michael Kempa, associate professor of criminology at the University of Ottawa, offered a similar sentiment, saying it would be a charitable interpretation to see this as a situation where elected officials spoke out of turn before they had all the facts.
A more cynical interpretation would be that it is a willful manipulation ... a misrepresentation of how bail works for the public audience — in other words, politicizing this issue, Kempa said, also speaking on Metro Morning
Nader Hasan also questioned TPS chief's comments about 'hoping for a different outcome' from trial
After weeks of evidence in court and several tense days of jury deliberations, Umar Zameer is a free man (new window) — and his lawyer isn't mincing words about the politicians who rushed to demonize his client after he initially got bail back in 2021.
Speaking on CBC Radio's Metro Morning on Monday, Hasan lamented the response from politicians like Ontario's premier and Toronto's former mayor who rushed to judgment before any evidence was presented at trial, as well as comments from the police chief on Sunday stating he wished for a different outcome.
Hasan said that back in 2021 when Zameer was initially charged, his office was receiving hate mail, even death threats, for "having the audacity to take on this case.
That hatred had been stoked by elected officials and by the chief of police himself, Hasan said.
James Ramer, who was chief of Toronto police at the time of Zameer's arrest, initially called Northrup's death (new window) an intentional and deliberate act — something the jury rejected over the weekend.
In a responding statement from 2021 posted on X, formerly Twitter, Premier Doug Ford called the court's decision to grant Zameer bail "beyond comprehension.
It's completely unacceptable that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail, Ford said — though his initial statement went even further (new window) and called Zameer "the person responsible" for Northrup's death, before walking that back by deleting and reposting with the words "responsible for" swapped for "charged with."
Comments out of line, lawyer says
Former Toronto mayor John Tory, meanwhile, said it was almost impossible to imagine a circumstance in which an accused in a case of first-degree murder would be granted bail.
Brampton Mayor Patrick Brown also tweeted at the time, saying in part: This is disgusting. It is very disturbing that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail.
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Hasan said Monday that those comments were ignorant, and came from people who should know better.
Kempa said he understands the chief's reaction as an emotional one in the face of a tragic event for everyone involved — but he also said questioning or expressing disappointment in a jury's verdict is troublesome, and can harm public perception of police impartiality.
I don't feel that it is the role of a chief of police or an elected person to basically say that a jury is wrong or that court erred in its legal interpretation of the situation, he said.
Hasan agreed, saying there was a lengthy trial in this case, and jurors heard the evidence and deliberated carefully.
They determined that Mr. Zameer was not guilty because he's not guilty, he said. It is somewhat frustrating and embarrassing that we have a chief of police who cannot accept this reality.
Finally, Chief Demkiw made a more appropriate statement. I wonder if this was composed by a professional crisis management consultant or written by him, from the heart?
Either way, I respect him for following up and sort of apologizing. Making mistakes is fine. But not admitting to them or digging yourself deeper is inexcusable. As the Three Lymigos are likely going to find out once the OPP investigates their sworn testimony, note making party etc.
Also, I should retract my precious misstatement and clarify that It was not Chief Demkiw that made the original accusatory and prejudicial public statement back in 2021. It was, then-interim Chief Ramer who shot off his mouth. He was in good company with the unrepentant Premier Ford, Mayor Tory and the other political whores who put politics over the presumption of innocence and respect for the Canadian Judicial system.
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He has to leave the city. It’s absolutely disgusting how the police lied to try to destroy his life and no doubt they will keep an eye on him and his family.
As pointed out in a previous post, the chief of police has changed his tune. Although he said “ closure cannot come at the expense of justice”, that won’t be the attitude of most cops.
This was a vengeful and spiteful persecution. Those feelings don’t just end because one politician says so.
I really doubt that.
No single cop will dare risk trying to make life difficult for him in any way. There would be unbelievable scrutiny of whatever and whomever bothered him.
However, that doesn't mean he will not live in fear of it and in fear of his infamy.
I have enjoyed reading and following this news story, and the two threads - this one and the older one "TPS officer killed..."
A question I have is - had Zameer not been able to hire and pay for Hasan, the high powered reputable defense lawyer - would the verdict have been as favourable for him? What if he used Legal Aid, or Diamond&Diamond
Is the quality of your defense team going to make a huge impact? Most people would hire the best lawyer they can afford of course, but what if?
I feel badly for this guy and his family and what he's been thru. I contributed to his GoFund me page, hope he raises the $200K he needs for the lawyers. Just can't imagine if that happened to me if I was in the same situation... guaranteed I would have put the pedal to the metal and got my family to safety
A question I have is - had Zameer not been able to hire and pay for Hasan, the high powered reputable defense lawyer - would the verdict have been as favourable for him? What if he used Legal Aid, or Diamond&Diamond
Is the quality of your defense team going to make a huge impact? Most people would hire the best lawyer they can afford of course, but what if?
I feel badly for this guy and his family and what he's been thru. I contributed to his GoFund me page, hope he raises the $200K he needs for the lawyers. Just can't imagine if that happened to me if I was in the same situation... guaranteed I would have put the pedal to the metal and got my family to safety
Tory has backed down on his earlier statement and called it a "learning moment for me".Finally, Chief Demkiw made a more appropriate statement. I wonder if this was composed by a professional crisis management consultant or written by him, from the heart?
Either way, I respect him for following up and sort of apologizing. Making mistakes is fine. But not admitting to them or digging yourself deeper is inexcusable. As the Three Lymigos are likely going to find out once the OPP investigates their sworn testimony, note making party etc.
Also, I should retract my precious misstatement and clarify that It was not Chief Demkiw that made the original accusatory and prejudicial public statement back in 2021. It was, then-interim Chief Ramer who shot off his mouth. He was in good company with the unrepentant Premier Ford, Mayor Tory and the other political whores who put politics over the presumption of innocence and respect for the Canadian Judicial system.
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Ford has disappeared again.
Diamond is a personal injury claim mill and would not have accepted the case.
Hasan was smart in hiring the accident reconstruction guy. That won the case right there. Would other lawyers have thought of that?.... Some would. Some wouldn't.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/all-i-hope-for-is-justice At $198.8K now...hopefully will surpass $200k
The 2 lying cops were told not to contact each other but then they texted each other anyway. One claimed they texted the other because they needed a plumber! Could Hasan not have got the text messages from BELL, Rogers etc. and confirmed whether they were colluding or not? Likely thought of that but decided not to use it.
Doubt anything will happen except for 're-training' but at least 1 of those cops need to lose their jobs for lying and for punching a handcuffed guy.
When asked whether striking a handcuffed person was consistent with his training, Pais (1 of the lying cops) told the court officers are authorized "to strike people to gain compliance." I wonder if that is true about their training.
Another incident with the same cop 13 years ago:
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The 2 lying cops were told not to contact each other but then they texted each other anyway. One claimed they texted the other because they needed a plumber! Could Hasan not have got the text messages from BELL, Rogers etc. and confirmed whether they were colluding or not? Likely thought of that but decided not to use it.
Doubt anything will happen except for 're-training' but at least 1 of those cops need to lose their jobs for lying and for punching a handcuffed guy.
When asked whether striking a handcuffed person was consistent with his training, Pais (1 of the lying cops) told the court officers are authorized "to strike people to gain compliance." I wonder if that is true about their training.
Another incident with the same cop 13 years ago:
Neptune 4 cops found guilty on Police Act charges
Penalty phase will be scheduled for a later date
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I am guessing that Pais is about to transition to the "private security industry" from being a TPS member.https://www.gofundme.com/f/all-i-hope-for-is-justice At $198.8K now...hopefully will surpass $200k
The 2 lying cops were told not to contact each other but then they texted each other anyway. One claimed they texted the other because they needed a plumber! Could Hasan not have got the text messages from BELL, Rogers etc. and confirmed whether they were colluding or not? Likely thought of that but decided not to use it.
Doubt anything will happen except for 're-training' but at least 1 of those cops need to lose their jobs for lying and for punching a handcuffed guy.
When asked whether striking a handcuffed person was consistent with his training, Pais (1 of the lying cops) told the court officers are authorized "to strike people to gain compliance." I wonder if that is true about their training.
Another incident with the same cop 13 years ago:
Neptune 4 cops found guilty on Police Act charges
Penalty phase will be scheduled for a later date
I had this discussion with my SO and basically said if it happened to her I would second mortgage if necessary and she agreed. No way do I risk my or her freedom.
IMHO, without an excellent lawyer like Hasan, Zameer might have been found guilty?? It also helped that Justice Anne Molloy told the jury that the Crown's case was weak!!
Schlong you do you, i will do me. Or check that, one of the girls from SFT will do me.
God speed my man!
Perhaps a private secure institution would be more approriate?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ontario-to-take-back-control-of-private-super-jail-1.586052#:~:text=Link-,Canada's%20only%20privately%20run%20jail%2C%20in%20Penetanguishene%2C%20Ont.%2C,and%20reduced%20repeat%20offender%20rates.
