Brampton is fucked

[Jubee]

Am just saying the bad driving you complain about is bad, yes, but also quite tame lol. But I've driven in India, so may be why it doesn't seem as bad to me.

Fair point and my point is, "they" (referring to government officials") have fucked over that city with the mass migration of one culture who just happens to be terrible at driving.
Is that racist? No. Blanket statement? Yes. I'll take it back then, IMO, a large portion of Brampton drivers are bad drivers and perhaps it's just coincidence that they are of Indian descent.

But it seems to never end with the car incidents in Brampton. I can almost guarantee you there is one a week minimum.

Literally car insurance premiums are the highest in Ontario, if not, second highest for sure. I mean, cheaper than densely populated Toronto??

 

[Kautilya]

Fair point and my point is, "they" (referring to government officials") have fucked over that city with the mass migration of one culture who just happens to be terrible at driving.
Is that racist? No. Blanket statement? Yes. I'll take it back then, IMO, a large portion of Brampton drivers are bad drivers and perhaps it's just coincidence that they are of Indian descent.

But it seems to never end with the car incidents in Brampton. I can almost guarantee you there is one a week minimum.

Literally car insurance premiums are the highest in Ontario, if not, second highest for sure. I mean, cheaper than densely populated Toronto??

People will move where there is social security. Which is why you have ethnic enclaves in Toronto. IMO they should be discouraged, but then again people have freedom of association.

When one person drives bad, everyone drives bad. That is a fact actually.

I mean it is not as bad as this below. Which is Bangalore. Great city. Terrible traffic. Heck, the Bangalore traffic police tow truck was reported for jumping a red light and was fined.

 

[Jubee]

People will move where there is social security. Which is why you have ethnic enclaves in Toronto. IMO they should be discouraged, but then again people have freedom of association.

When one person drives bad, everyone drives bad. That is a fact actually.

I mean it is not as bad as this below. Which is Bangalore. Great city. Terrible traffic. Heck, the Bangalore traffic police tow truck was reported for jumping a red light and was fined.

I agree, they should be discouraged but they keep doing it regardless.
Europeans did the same thing in Toronto, Roncessvalles for Polish people, Spadina for Asians (Chinese mainly), Parkdale a whole mix of ethnic groups, Philipino, Caribbean, African, etc. but they assimilated quite well.
But Brampton is a different beast for some reason. Me having parents of European descent and growing up in Parkdale and Roncessvalles, zero problems with other cultures, we get along quite well and the roads didn't feel dangerous like they do in Brampton, it's bizarre for sure.
But what's going on there needs to be addressed and/or fixed, otherwise, people will keep laughing at what has happened to Brampton compared to it's beautiful past.
This is all before 2010.

 

[spankingman]

I was in a Shopping Mall on Great Lakes Ave. after watching a grandsons socecer game up the street. The driving in that mall parking lot was insane let alone on the streets!! Red lights in Brampton mean speed up and go through.

 

[shack]

I did not say you said anything. I have not seen you post much. I am generally saying that there are members who say these things and I call them out. And none of those people have actually presented any evidence & statistics, because if they did,.....

....you'd just say it's irrelevant.

 

[Jubee]

I was in a Shopping Mall on Great Lakes Ave. after watching a grandsons socecer game up the street. The driving in that mall parking lot was insane let alone on the streets!! Red lights in Brampton mean speed up and go through.

Good timing.

Man, 26, charged after allegedly driving dangerously in Brampton parking lot

A man is facing charges after allegedly driving 'recklessly' in a Brampton parking lot last year.

www.cp24.com

 

[TomFord1980]

I agree, they should be discouraged but they keep doing it regardless.
Europeans did the same thing in Toronto, Roncessvalles for Polish people, Spadina for Asians (Chinese mainly), Parkdale a whole mix of ethnic groups, Philipino, Caribbean, African, etc. but they assimilated quite well.
But Brampton is a different beast for some reason. Me having parents of European descent and growing up in Parkdale and Roncessvalles, zero problems with other cultures, we get along quite well and the roads didn't feel dangerous like they do in Brampton, it's bizarre for sure.
But what's going on there needs to be addressed and/or fixed, otherwise, people will keep laughing at what has happened to Brampton compared to it's beautiful past.
This is all before 2010.

The problem is they flooded the city with immigrants who arent used to canadian norms and drive like maniacs. I was almost hit twice by two gentlemen who looked like they just arrived at the airport. And for some reason they cant quite grasp the traffic light idea. Brampton should install red light cameras at every intersection. Also put up automated speed cameras to catch these bastards.

 

[richaceg]

Nobody follows traffic signs in Brampton...specially at night....Jesus...a vehicle can run 40 on the far left of the 3 lane road like it's nothing....then swerve all the way to the right not to miss a turn....

 

[Kautilya]

The problem is they flooded the city with immigrants who arent used to canadian norms and drive like maniacs. I was almost hit twice by two gentlemen who looked like they just arrived at the airport. And for some reason they cant quite grasp the traffic light idea. Brampton should install red light cameras at every intersection. Also put up automated speed cameras to catch these bastards.

Saying immigrants 'flooded' the city, is racist. You should NEVER use language like that. That sort of language is meant to 'other' people of a different culture, and isolate them, instead of being inclusive and considering them part of your society. It creates tiers of privileged citizens, and second class immigrants who have 'flooded' the city, and therefore are undesirables. This is dehumanizing speech towards immigrants and hope you wont use it again since you are old enough and therefore mature and reasonable enough when an explanation is provided, right?

But that said, I would in a way agree that it is difficult to adjust to North American road rules when you come from India. I mean we drive on the left side of the road, with the steering on the right, so controlling a car is difficult enough and takes getting used to. When I first learned driving in the US, I have mistakenly and out of habit, turned into the oncoming traffic lane, a couple of times, and had to apologize as I backed up after realizing my mistake.

People in North America also display no anticipation when they drive because things are supposed to work in a certain way. If you learned driving in India, you'd learn to always be on the lookout for someone from some direction to come at you. In India you are taught to honk regularly. So if you fuck up here, or honk people are taken by surprise and do something stupid and crash their cars. lol.

And then there are confusing rules (to someone new to driving in Canada and the US) with yielding to oncoming traffic, when the light is green, which is not a road rule in India. If it is green, you go. If it is red, you stop. So initially it is confusing, why you have to yield, when the light is green.

May be the adjustments take a while and could be a reason too. No need to go for punitive measures. What I think they should do, is that driving schools need to create courses for people who are newcomers who may have been driving on the other side of the road, may be used to different set of rules or may be habituated in certain driving styles (like honking) and address those points during training. That would have honestly been helpful for me personally, even though it may appear to be simple enough.

 

[TomFord1980]

Saying immigrants 'flooded' the city, is racist. You should NEVER use language like that. That sort of language is meant to 'other' people of a different culture, and isolate them, instead of being inclusive and considering them part of your society. It creates tiers of privileged citizens, and second class immigrants who have 'flooded' the city, and therefore are undesirables. This is dehumanizing speech towards immigrants and hope you wont use it again since you are old enough and therefore mature and reasonable enough when an explanation is provided, right?

But that said, I would in a way agree that it is difficult to adjust to North American road rules when you come from India. I mean we drive on the left side of the road, with the steering on the right, so controlling a car is difficult enough and takes getting used to. When I first learned driving in the US, I have mistakenly and out of habit, turned into the oncoming traffic lane, a couple of times, and had to apologize as I backed up after realizing my mistake.

People in North America also display no anticipation when they drive because things are supposed to work in a certain way. If you learned driving in India, you'd learn to always be on the lookout for someone from some direction to come at you. In India you are taught to honk regularly. So if you fuck up here, or honk people are taken by surprise and do something stupid and crash their cars. lol.

And then there are confusing rules (to someone new to driving in Canada and the US) with yielding to oncoming traffic, when the light is green, which is not a road rule in India. If it is green, you go. If it is red, you stop. So initially it is confusing, why you have to yield, when the light is green.

May be the adjustments take a while and could be a reason too. No need to go for punitive measures. What I think they should do, is that driving schools need to create courses for people who are newcomers who may have been driving on the other side of the road, may be used to different set of rules or may be habituated in certain driving styles (like honking) and address those points during training. That would have honestly been helpful for me personally, even though it may appear to be simple enough.

When you import people from other countries, you import their problems unfortunately. In this case, Indians are used to chaotic driving, therefore they drive chaotically here. We do need punitive measures otherwise they wont clean up their act on the road!

 

[shack]

You are being overtly paranoic. I get people drive rash there but you've blown it up outta proportion.

Insurance is fine. Its more accidents and incidents there, so they jack up the fees.

They base their rates on historical data. So it is not paranoic to react to something that is proven. Paranoia is irrationally worrying about what might happen and to an exaggerated degree. There is nothing irrational or exaggerated about learning from and acting on history.

Obviously Brampton is statistically proven to be a much riskier place. Or you can just claim statistics and history are irrelevant. You like doing that.

 

[Jubee]

This is just to keep things light a bit, great story by Sanjeev lol
Posted it earlier, either missed or no one appreciated the humour.

 

[Y_Diner]

Hey, fuck off!! LOL

My bad old friend

 

[Kautilya]

They base their rates on historical data. So it is not paranoic to react to something that is proven. Paranoia is irrationally worrying about what might happen and to an exaggerated degree. There is nothing irrational or exaggerated about learning from and acting on history.

Obviously Brampton is statistically proven to be a much riskier place. Or you can just claim statistics and history are irrelevant. You like doing that.

I am not talking about insurance rates. I am talking about Brampton being a threat to your life or you getting into a life threatening accident. Yes there is always a possibility on the road, but that is the case anywhere. But the rash driving, although a bit more dangerous in Brampton, is nothing a sensible person cannot adjust to for practical purposes. It is certainly not something to be freaked out about. Also the city itself is actually quite safe. Actually that is the case of the GTA and Canada in general despite what people might say. It is in general a very safe country.

When you import people from other countries, you import their problems unfortunately. In this case, Indians are used to chaotic driving, therefore they drive chaotically here. We do need punitive measures otherwise they wont clean up their act on the road!

I am an Indian who learned driving in India. If you saw me driving in India, you'd lose your mind even today lol. But I don't do that here. So no, that line of thinking, where you think people are mindless robots who bring their problems everywhere, is not true, and amounts to stereotyping and racism. And I am not just throwing that around. They say the same about Asians too, that Asians cannot drive. That is always considered racist.

What we do need though, is proper education for those folks along with existing enforcement. That should do. Teach them how to drive here, the rules of driving here and don't issue licenses until they properly display driving skills. And enforce rules as they are. That should work fine.

 

[richaceg]

I am not talking about insurance rates. I am talking about Brampton being a threat to your life or you getting into a life threatening accident. Yes there is always a possibility on the road, but that is the case anywhere. But the rash driving, although a bit more dangerous in Brampton, is nothing a sensible person cannot adjust to for practical purposes. It is certainly not something to be freaked out about. Also the city itself is actually quite safe. Actually that is the case of the GTA and Canada in general despite what people might say. It is in general a very safe country.

I am an Indian who learned driving in India. If you saw me driving in India, you'd lose your mind even today lol. But I don't do that here. So no, that line of thinking, where you think people are mindless robots who bring their problems everywhere, is not true, and amounts to stereotyping and racism. And I am not just throwing that around. They say the same about Asians too, that Asians cannot drive. That is always considered racist.

What we do need though, is proper education for those folks along with existing enforcement. That should do. Teach them how to drive here, the rules of driving here and don't issue licenses until they properly display driving skills. And enforce rules as they are. That should work fine.

The data itself tells you it's much more dangerous to be driving in Brampton that let's say scarborough, there's also a data that says, your risk of being stabbed is much higher somewhere else than brampton or getting shot at north york than brampton, there's no racism element into it...it's mere statistics....when you take "possibility" sure you can throw that word anywhere but the stats say, your odds are higher to get an accident in Brampton....doesn't have to be life threatening but an accident in itself is life altering...financially or otherwise.

 

[Kautilya]

The data itself tells you it's much more dangerous to be driving in Brampton that let's say scarborough, there's also a data that says, your risk of being stabbed is much higher somewhere else than brampton or getting shot at north york than brampton, there's no racism element into it...it's mere statistics....when you take "possibility" sure you can throw that word anywhere but the stats say, your odds are higher to get an accident in Brampton....doesn't have to be life threatening but an accident in itself is life altering...financially or otherwise.

For practical purposes it doesn't make a difference. I mean for example, you may have a 1% chance of getting T-boned downtown, as opposed to say a 2% chance in Brampton. Just making numbers up to show an example here. Yes that is a whole TWICE as likely to get into an accident in Brampton. But at the end of the day it is 2%. Meaning a 98% chance you are not going to get into an accident.

But to say, it is the way it is because immigrants import their problems like mindless robots instead of saying they lack the knowledge, and the enforcement of existing laws, is stereotyping.

 

[richaceg]

But to say, it is the way it is because immigrants import their problems like mindless robots instead of saying they lack the knowledge, and the enforcement of existing laws, is stereotyping.

Who's saying that? Nobody is saying Brampton driving is bad because of immigrants...it's more like most people there ignore traffic signs and rules...and because of high numbers of accidents insurance spiked up....all based on stats....the probability is simply higher...the need to mention "stereotyping" doesn't help...the data / stats is what insurance based it all from.

 

[The Mechanic]

Those people are born and raised in Canada. Or they have become citizens of Canada. So where exactly do you propose to deport them? What is your understanding of their legal status?

And I bet you most of these yahoos are international students and not Canadian citizens, so therefore deport.

 

[Kautilya]

And I bet you most of these yahoos are international students and not Canadian citizens, so therefore deport.

That is the current process anyway if they are not citizens. But we dont know if they are citizens or not.

 

[Leimonis]

RIP Brampton, they truly destroyed that beautiful city.

sorry what exactly has ever been beautiful about that city?