Taxpayers to Fork Out $13,000,000,000: The Cost of Doug's Unlawful and Spiteful Labor Wage Legislation

Frankfooter

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Because you are ignorant of many things, be that windfarms, who Hydro 1 is, who Drummond is, who can’t even read the first sentence never mind the rest. Be that what Police chiefs have to say about gangs or Wynne and UBI

Who said in English municipalities can’t legally carry debt…nor did you read they can take loans from banks too.

Who doesn’t know what infrastructure is, or capital project like roads, TTC, Hydro 1, hospitals and LTCs. Never mind the immense benefits they provide and why that is called good debt vs bad debt

Who doesn’t grasp simple $100 debt questions, never mind 46billion or 400 billion

who doesn’t know what back pay is, or that essential services are subject to arbitration.

Who doesn’t even know what streams and aquifer's are

care to deny?
So what makes you think you are qualified to talk about much like you know what you are talking about?
Gish gallop of an answer.
I asked you specifically why you thought I don't
know essential services are subject to arbitration, nor municipal acts.
 

Not getting younger

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Gish gallop of an answer.
I asked you specifically why you thought I don't
Because clearly given your whines you don’t and said so
But
1) you said. In plain English the city can’t legally take on debt. Despite years of doing so
There is no debt, the city is legally not allowed to run a debt. Your article talks about coming infrastructure bills after decades
 
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Anbarandy

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loonie left wing rhetoric

if you had a clue you would know the provinces biggest expense by far is to the unionized public sector employees

unsustainable debt means without union co-operation now, there will be unavoidable layoffs in the future

this is not left vs right
rather it is cold hard mathematical certainty
Tee-hee, tee-hee.
 

Not getting younger

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Deficit.
The city is legally mandated to never run a deficit.
Not debt.
there is no debt…WTF..FFs.
The city can not legally carry debt.WTF..FFs
That article is coming is coming infrastructure bills.
^^^^^^^ your words.


We know you don’t get paychecks and have bills. When you don’t have enough $$ to pay yours bills. Can anyone legally choose not to? Hello earth to FFs…deficits…( it’s a word no different than a surplus is a word) …that describes the difference between revenue and expenses…

.until $$ is borrowed to “balance” revenue+debt ( borrowed money be that cash, debentures, Bonds and T-bills or other) -=expenses. Nor does that mean it’s a balanced budget (revenue=expenses)

FFS

Even your backpedaling is laughable
 
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Frankfooter

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there is no debt…WTF..FFs.
The city can not legally carry debt.WTF..FFs
That article is coming is coming infrastructure bills.
^^^^^^^ your words.


We know you don’t get paychecks and have bills. When you don’t have enough $$ to pay yours bills. Can anyone legally choose not to? Hello earth to FFs…deficits…( it’s a word no different than a surplus is a word) …that describes the difference between revenue and expenses…

.until $$ is borrowed to “balance” revenue+debt ( borrowed money be that cash, debentures, Bonds and T-bills or other) -=expenses. Nor does that mean it’s a balanced budget (revenue=expenses)

FFS

Even your backpedaling is laughable
There's no backpedalling.
The city can't run a deficit by law.
 

Not getting younger

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There's no backpedalling.
The city can't run a deficit by law.
you said DEBT.
there is NO DEBT. Then you said the city cannot legally run DEBT.

And you and Anbarandy have argued it for pages. You have also argued for about stupid $100 questions, and more. Like simplistic back pay and more.
 

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Had to take a minute to go back to that “infrastructure bill” article you didn’t read or grasp either.

Know what else you missed somehow, or didn’t grasp like the Drummond report you guys don’t know how to read…and or back pay.

this
The report also warns that there will be a “snowballing” effect in subsequent years “driven mostly by the growing size of the unfunded capital program.”

And

“Notably, the report warns that the city could be hit with a “delayed inflation wave” as collective bargaining agreements are renegotiated later in 2023 and into 2024 and other contracts with fixed costs expire.”

FFs
 

Frankfooter

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you said DEBT.
there is NO DEBT. Then you said the city cannot legally run DEBT.

And you and Anbarandy have argued it for pages. You have also argued for about stupid $100 questions, and more. Like simplistic back pay and more.
Deficit.
The city is legally not allowed to run a deficit.

The $100 question was skooby poo's idiotic claim that having a little less upcoming maintenance liability meant that you could therefore spend that reduced liability as if it were cash and part of the budget.
 

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haha that's a statistic for Canada not Ontario. epic fail!

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And no, 44% doesn't represent the number of students...it represents the amount of funding per student.


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You face must be in so much pain from falling on it twice in a single post!!! Hahahaha!
 

Frankfooter

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haha that's a statistic for Canada not Ontario. epic fail!

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And no, 44% doesn't represent the number of students...it represents the amount of funding per student.


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You face must be in so much pain from falling on it twice in a single post!!! Hahahaha!
My bad, I forgot that you have to be spoon fed all data.
For a minute I thought you were of average intelligence.
Lets dumb this down to skooby dooby poo level.

The second chart notes that Ontario offers the lowest funds for colleges and university per capita in Canada.
That's relevant to the debate because it shows how Ontario colleges and university need to make up more funding, which is the reason why they relied on international students. Do I need to also tell you that international students pay way more in tuition than Canadian students?
Do you need to be told that DoFo also froze tuitions?
Since 2019, the province has frozen tuition for universities and colleges, with leaders in the sector saying they have had to rely on unregulated tuition fees from international students to plug the gap.


The feds have been warning DoFo that he needs to fund universities and not rely on international students, but he didn't listen.
On Tuesday, however, Immigration Minister Marc Miller called the claims “complete garbage.”

He said his office had, through public announcements and private conversations, been telling Ontario “quite clearly that they need to get their house in order,” with some colleges overreliant on international students to bring money in after a years-long tuition freeze.


Instead DoFo pulled the NGY fantasy line and said colleges and universities could find the needed cash through 'effieciencies'.
The province has not said how it will respond to the panel's report other than saying it would work with the schools to find efficiencies, something Ford reiterated.

The first chart confirms the 200% number I used, though it does say across Canada, yet 40% of all international students are now coming to Ontario.
Here's a list of the top ten colleges and universities reliant on international students.
Note that all but 1 are in Ontario.

Top 10 list: study permits for international students in 2023
Colleges and universities with the most study permit applications approved in 2023 by Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada.
A top 10 list of the Canadian colleges and universities with the most international student study permit applications approved by Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada in 2023
Table with 3 columns and 10 rows. Sorted descending by column "Permits"
Post-secondary institutionProvincePermits
Conestoga CollegeOntario30,395
University Canada WestB.C.13,913
Fanshawe CollegeOntario11,706
Niagara College CanadaOntario11,199
Seneca CollegeOntario11,042
Lambton CollegeOntario9,639
Centennial CollegeOntario9,529
Algoma UniversityOntario9,329
Sheridan CollegeOntario9,211
Fleming CollegeOntario8,849



Doug Ford asked Trudeau to limit the number of international students in 2021 for covid but then opened the flood gates for schools. DoFo realizes that housing under his watch is a total shit show, is removal of rent controls combined with universities needing international students to cover for DoFo funding cuts put pressure on housing. So Trudeau did what DoFo asked and now he's finding out that universities and colleges are totally screwed, with a few possibly going under this fall.

In Ontario, the data shows foreign students recruitment has spiked significantly since 2018, when Premier Doug Ford took office.

The following year, Ford's government froze post-secondary funding, cut domestic tuition by 10 per cent and launched a program explicitly designed to attract international students and their lucrative tuition fees to public colleges.

Ontario's public colleges alone accounted for more than 40 per cent of the 435,000 study permits issued to colleges and universities nationwide in 2023.


 

Not getting younger

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Deficit.
The city is legally not allowed to run a deficit.

The $100 question was skooby poo's idiotic claim that having a little less upcoming maintenance liability meant that you could therefore spend that reduced liability as if it were cash and part of the budget.
Back pedaling. You said debt until your lightbulb was turned on….

If the province takes on DVP/gardner capital projects and maintenance debt financing. Aka reduces the 416 debt load and financing cost…and so you think that shit is paid off in 1 year.

What does the 416 have for
46billion in committed expenses over the next 10 years…..that includes more than just capital projects and expenses like TTC expansion/repair and other?

If your Visa balance is maxed. And I stupidly say. No problem. I’ll use my debt allowances and make everyone in my house pay for your addiction to spending and ignorance of budgeting , to take half of your visa balance.

What do you have to repair your crumbling house? Room on your visa
And cash Pay your children for chores, instead of maxed out principal and interest on your visa…

At my houses expense?
 
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Skoob

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That's a lot of biased info you found there trying to distract away from your failure. Guess what...you're still wrong.

Considering Ontario has the most colleges and universities in Canada, your narrative doesn't take that into consideration.

Go back and look at the chart and show me where DoFo doubled international students since 2019/2020 from previous years,
You can't. You know why? Because that's a figment of your imagination driven by your blind hatred.

Why don't you put in the effort to show how many people Trudeau let into the country during his tenure before trying to blame everyone else?
 

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That's a lot of biased info you found there trying to distract away from your failure. Guess what...you're still wrong.

Considering Ontario has the most colleges and universities in Canada, your narrative doesn't take that into consideration.

Go back and look at the chart and show me where DoFo doubled international students since 2019/2020 from previous years,
You can't. You know why? Because that's a figment of your imagination driven by your blind hatred.

Why don't you put in the effort to show how many people Trudeau let into the country during his tenure before trying to blame everyone else?
Loser.

I just proved you are wrong on all counts.
DoFo made housing worse by cutting university funding and forcing them to rely on international students.
Now without them Ontario universities are all cutting programs and a few will close.
 

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Loser.

I just proved you are wrong on all counts.
DoFo made housing worse by cutting university funding and forcing them to rely on international students.
Now without them Ontario universities are all cutting programs and a few will close.
"Loser"? My how desperate you must be to start name calling! hahaha that's funny
Typical FF tactics...spray a bunch of topics all over the place to hide his failure in what the original topic was about.
You read a chart incorrectly and are now tap dancing.
Maybe next time put your DoFo hatred aside for a moment to see things clearly so you don't fall on your face again and name call when everything else has failed.
 

Frankfooter

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"Loser"? My how desperate you must be to start name calling! hahaha that's funny
Typical FF tactics...spray a bunch of topics all over the place to hide his failure in what the original topic was about.
You read a chart incorrectly and are now tap dancing.
Maybe next time put your DoFo hatred aside for a moment to see things clearly so you don't fall on your face again and name call when everything else has failed.
I read the chart right, you didn't.
And I just proved all my claims with multiple sources.
But in true skooby poo fashion you declared yourself the 'weiner'.

But you are the loser.
 

Anbarandy

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Loser.

I just proved you are wrong on all counts.
DoFo made housing worse by cutting university funding and forcing them to rely on international students.
Now without them Ontario universities are all cutting programs and a few will close.
Furthermore, all those diploma mills firmly ensconced atop strip mall massage parlors which house empty seats and a CRT computer while Douggie's temporary international students gig-slave for $8/hr, 20 hours a day, 7 days a week instead of filling those empty seats studying God knows what for obscene amounts of tuition are Douggie's ultimate goal for post-secondary education and funding.

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Frankfooter

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Furthermore, all those diploma mills firmly ensconced atop strip mall massage parlors which house empty seats and a CRT computer while Douggie's temporary international students gig-slave for $8/hr, 20 hours a day, 7 days a week instead of filling those empty seats studying God knows what for obscene amounts of tuition are Douggie's ultimate goal for post-secondary education and funding.

Happy Endings Academy

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Filthy Showers and No Towels College
Skooby poo is going to be very upset though if there are problems getting ebike riders for uber eats and people behind the counters at Timmies.
He needs his cheap food and doesn't care if its on the back of others.

Don't deprive him of his chance to rip international students off for cheap food.
 
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