Taxpayers to Fork Out $13,000,000,000: The Cost of Doug's Unlawful and Spiteful Labor Wage Legislation

[Butler1000]

I'm sensing the OP may not have voted for Ford in the past?

 

[Skoob]

It depends on what he would have negotiated. Given the financial condition of the government because of the pandemic, the workers should have accepted the 1% increase. Or at the very least offered to defer negotiated increases until the finances improved. Fuck I didn't get a single raise from January 1, 2019 until September 1, 2023. Several people I know in the private sector were in the same boat. That is if they were lucky enough to retain their jobs.

Public sector union members are conditioned by their unions to believe they have things much worse than everyone else. They live in a bubble within an echo chamber.

 

[Anbarandy]

He wouldn't have had to pay more than 1% if the bill wasn't struck down. However it was.
So if the bill wasn't introduced in the first place he would have had to pay what the unions wanted regardless.

is that too difficult for you to understand?

Earth to Skoobie. Earth to Skoobie and all you other unhinged from reality folks here on TERB.

But Douggie has, is and will continue to pilfer and loot the ordinary Jane and Joe taxpaying folks wallets and purses for the purposes of compensating certain public sector union members to the tune of $13,000,000,000 more than he otherwise had legislated as a matter of fact and law.

He and his party enacted the unlawful Bill 124. He and his party unlawfully abrogated the collective bargaining process which is enshrined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And he and his party alone have saddled the ordinary taxpaying folks with an extra $13,000,000,000 invoice for their unlawful, unconstitutional and spiteful now repealed Bill 124.

Suck on that.

 

[squeezer]

It's staring them in the face, but governments refuse to recognize that the only way to reduce the cost of public service is to reduce the number of public servants. The courts will simply not support control over public sector wages. That means we have to get rid of public servants themselves (at least to the greatest possible extent).

Frankly, the courts are getting this one wrong. Freedom of Association has to mean something different when governments create monopolies over certain kinds of labour.

However, there's no fixing the courts, so its time for the political courage to reduce the public sector employment rolls.

Not necessarily.
statistically, Ontario has the leanest public service ( public servants per capita) in Canada. Has for years.

that includes everything from the dirty jobs and pencil pushers, to RNs, to EAs and PSWs, to GPs and hundreds of thousands of tax paying people without one.

To scientist and brain surgeons, to cops, conservation officers, biologists, lawyers and far more

Why?
in large part because liberals in the electorate are addicted to debt and love to spend. That too, is in the Drummond report.

NGY, you agree with Dutchie you should be put to pasture since today you are a public servant? Dougie should fire your ass and put you on the unemployment line, correct?

 

[SammyS]

Let me try that again and hopefully get a less gibberish-filled response...

So you're saying they have to pay what they would have paid anyway?

^^^^^^^^^^
So what you're saying ,let's pass laws that are unconstitutional and screw public servants from the pay they deserve???

 

[Skoob]

Earth to Skoobie. Earth to Skoobie and all you other unhinged from reality folks here on TERB.

But Douggie has, is and will continue to pilfer and loot the ordinary Jane and Joe taxpaying folks wallets and purses for the purposes of compensating certain public sector union members to the tune of $13,000,000,000 more than he otherwise had legislated as a matter of fact and law.

He and his party enacted the unlawful Bill 124. He and his party unlawfully abrogated the collective bargaining process which is enshrined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And he and his party alone have saddled the ordinary taxpaying folks with an extra $13,000,000,000 invoice for their unlawful, unconstitutional and spiteful now repealed Bill 124.

Suck on that.

Suck on what? Incorrect information?

Don't tell me in all your mathematical wisdom that you think this money is on top of what the province would have had to pay regardless of the bill? I know you're not that stupid...but I'll give you the opportunity to prove me wrong.

Or are you angry that he tried to save money by introducing the bill and it was eventually struck down?

Pick one...

 

[Skoob]

^^^^^^^^^^
So what you're saying ,let's pass laws that are unconstitutional and screw public servants from the pay they deserve???

I support any government that tries to control greedy public sector unions by capping the amount they can extort from taxpayers.

If a public servant isn't happy with their pay, why don't they go find another job like anyone else in the real world would do? My guess is because they actually know how good they have it, but just want more.

Would you agree?

 

[SammyS]

If a public servant isn't happy with their pay, why don't they go find another job like anyone else in the real world would do? My guess is because they actually know how good they have it, but just want more.

Would you agree?

LOL... NO!!!!
If a public servants aren't happy the union begin strike action and reduce the services they provide until the government and union finally reach an agreement or they decide to seek arbitration.
Skoob... it's called negotiating. Let me help you out...

ne·go·ti·ate
/nəˈɡōSHēˌāt/
verb
1.obtain or bring about by discussion.
"he negotiated a new contract with the sellers"

You were probably thinking it was spelt
no-go-i-hate
I understand your mistake...

 

[Frankfooter]

Says the guy who fell on his face reading a simple chart and doing the math.

Are you talking about the chart that you posted that proved DoFo's policies doubled international students?
Do you know how screwed Ontario universities are for budgets this year?

Its amazing that you post stuff that proves you are wrong then declare you won arguments so often.

 

[Frankfooter]

I support any government that tries to control greedy public sector unions by capping the amount they can extort from taxpayers.

If a public servant isn't happy with their pay, why don't they go find another job like anyone else in the real world would do? My guess is because they actually know how good they have it, but just want more.

Would you agree?

Always fighting the good fight to make sure people get paid less, aren't you skoob?
Have you talked your boss at the mall into lowering your own wage to less than minimum wage for the good of the province yet?

 

[Frankfooter]

NGY, you agree with Dutchie you should be put to pasture since today you are a public servant? Dougie should fire your ass and put you on the unemployment line, correct?

No need, skooby poo is busy renegotiating NGY's contract so that he gets minimum wage.
Walking the talk.

 

[Not getting younger]

Earth to Skoobie. Earth to Skoobie and all you other unhinged from reality folks here on TERB.

But Douggie has, is and will continue to pilfer and loot the ordinary Jane and Joe taxpaying folks wallets and purses for the purposes of compensating certain public sector union members to the tune of $13,000,000,000 more than he otherwise had legislated as a matter of fact and law.

He and his party enacted the unlawful Bill 124. He and his party unlawfully abrogated the collective bargaining process which is enshrined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And he and his party alone have saddled the ordinary taxpaying folks with an extra $13,000,000,000 invoice for their unlawful, unconstitutional and spiteful now repealed Bill 124.

Suck on that.

Earth to clueless dumb uneducated red neck that said he knows how to read budgets but doesn’t. Claims and acts like an educated adult but doesn’t even know what back pay is

Can’t grasp that without c-124 contracts that last 3-4 years would have been signed and the money paid in 2018, 2019,2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 instead..dolt!

Can’t even grasp those 3 or 4 year contracts would have been signed prior to Covid and higher inflation either. Kinda like people that locked in mortgage rates for 5 years prior to Covid…and interest rates taking off…

in 2018-2019 inflation was under 3% dolt.
Given the train wreck you created they would not have gotten 3%/year. See experts that know what they are talking about including arbitration arbitrators for essential services when bargaining can’t reach agreements on numerous things. Including wages but not limited to.

where as you don’t!!!!!!!! And 12 years of pain thank to you. Yes you.

 

[squeezer]

I support any government that tries to control greedy public sector unions by capping the amount they can extort from taxpayers.

If a public servant isn't happy with their pay, why don't they go find another job like anyone else in the real world would do? My guess is because they actually know how good they have it, but just want more.

Would you agree?

So if and when PeePee becomes PM because I do believe the PISS STAIN is going to win, he should fire most of the Federal unionized staff and put them all on the Unemployment line. I say, power to him this way come around the next election his pissy ass stain will be wiped away and we will be able to return to normal.

 

[Frankfooter]

Earth to clueless dumb uneducated red neck that said he knows how to read budgets but doesn’t. Claims and acts like an educated adult but doesn’t even know what back pay is

Did skooby poo get your pay reduced yet, NGY?
He thinks you get paid too much and you're a drain on society.

 

[JohnLarue]

Why would Ford have to pay anything but the 1% wage gain per year he enacted thru legislation in Bill 124?

Why, why, why?

Explain it to us.

PS> He wouldn't have had to pay anything except what was bargained for in the constitutionally protected collective bargaining process, but he stomped all over the constitution and now has saddled taxpayers with a $13,000.000.000 bill.

the public sector has been stomping all over the taxpayer for decades (Bob Rea's legislation)

the result: unsustainable debt
the largest debt burden per capita for a non-sovereign entity......... in the world

this a problem that needs to be addressed and soon

 

[Not getting younger]

the public sector has been stomping all over the taxpayer for decades (Bob Rea's legislation)

the result: unsustainable debt
the largest debt burden per capita for a non-sovereign entity......... in the world

this a problem that needs to be addressed and soon

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They can’t even read the Drummond report, grasp just how bad it was, or the train wreck is….or grasp what he meant by “pressure”…either. Aka voters addicted to spending. You hope they can read that?

 

[Frankfooter]

the public sector has been stomping all over the taxpayer for decades (Bob Rea's legislation)

the result: unsustainable debt
the largest debt burden per capita for a non-sovereign entity......... in the world

this a problem that needs to be addressed and soon

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You want to pull an Argentina on Ontario, don't you larue?

 

[Frankfooter]

They can’t even read the Drummond report, grasp just how bad it was, or the train wreck is….or grasp what he meant by “pressure”…either. Aka voters addicted to spending. You hope they can read that?

We read it and quoted it back to you.
Drummond said don't cut services in one sentence then in the next paragraph said cut services.
No wonder he's your idol.

 

[Not getting younger]

Did skooby poo get your pay reduced yet, NGY?
He thinks you get paid too much and you're a drain on society.

Deflection (surprise any time he can’t handle something)

just wet farts without substance from a keyboard SJ warrior that grasp or so very little. Including the fact, he won’t even lend a hand or foot for things he yells so loudly about.

 

[Not getting younger]

We read it and quoted it back to you.
Drummond said don't cut services in one sentence then in the next paragraph said cut services.
No wonder he's your idol.

Can’t even grasp that if you hold program spending and wage restraints for years and years years and years .thats not a cut.

and if you grow the economy ( see debt/gdp)…you raise revenue to pay people…and spend on programs…and on infrastructure

nor did you read or grasp so much more. Like raise revenue just don’t call them taxes over and above holding spending and wage restraints and find $$ to grow the economy, spend on infrastructure…

or if healthcare grows more than recommended rob Peter to pay Paul etc etc etc.

Clueless one that doesn’t know municipalities can carry debt and SO MUCH MORE like what back pay is, and so much more. Say windfarms or hydro 1. Blah blah blah blah.

keyboard warrior. You screwed everyone over.
Public servants, small towns that barely get table scraps, and private, pretty much everyone…. thank you to.